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昨天肝部B超后今天医生就约我去做MRI肝部检查,会是什么原因了?

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/721832/

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-26#1
是肝癌吗?没有任何症状,我就是自己要求在产检中加了这一项检查而已。现在心理之七上八下。

Belge晓梦 : 2014-07-26#2
不要担心,医生就是帮你多检查而已,因为你更本就没有任何的感觉。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-26#3
谢谢你的安慰,但是我知道加拿大医院一般不会轻易给人用MRI的。我以前腿受伤手术后,感觉走路还有问题,他们死活也不给我用MRI。这次怎么快地要我做MRI,感觉大事不好了

snowflake2012 : 2014-07-26#4
你遇到了一个喜欢使用排除法的好医生。

arielyou : 2014-07-26#5
别自己吓自己了,没事的。
医生想看得更清楚些,更证明你没有问题。

Pearlwgh : 2014-07-26#6
先问问医生B超是什么结果?为什么做MRI?你自己怎么猜啊?

aywl : 2014-07-26#7
Why not ask the doctor?

bbsddy : 2014-07-26#8
可能B超发现什么东西,否者怀孕期间不会另做检查的

Feat : 2014-07-26#9
天天英语呀,你让我说你啥呢,就是能折腾,撇家带口非得移民,中年了给自己那么大压力干啥,人生那几十年在哪里还不能活,压力大就容易出问题。在中国做一个核磁共振几百元,一周就能做上,不知道你有没有插队。这边核磁共振的资源很紧张,所以很多老外自费到美国去做。超声检查一定是初步发现了问题,比如低回声区域,需要核磁共振确诊。你是个善于思考的人,心思重,容易担心吧。但是你不必太担心,我之前也是超声检查发现问题,做了核磁共振发现超声误诊。超声检查不够准确。你抽烟吗,喝酒吗,有肝炎吗?如果都没有,就没必要担心肝有什么大问题。

Belge晓梦 : 2014-07-26#10
Feat,喜欢你的第四条签名。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-26#11
我就是怀孕后觉得肝部有时不舒服,查的。医生没有说啥,就说抓紧mri

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-26#12
明天先去诊所把我的b超单子打印出来

snowflake2012 : 2014-07-26#13
对,很多时候医生多做几项检查,是为了排除某种猜测。
我在之前的4个月做的检查足有20多项,最后全是正常的。只有一项homocysteine的值偏高,医生让我又做了一次检查,发现上次的数值是false positive。
我觉得医生这种认真态度很不错。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-26#14
你等mri等了多久

天天英语呀,你让我说你啥呢,就是能折腾,撇家带口非得移民,中年了给自己那么大压力干啥,人生那几十年在哪里还不能活,压力大就容易出问题。在中国做一个核磁共振几百元,一周就能做上,不知道你有没有插队。这边核磁共振的资源很紧张,所以很多老外自费到美国去做。超声检查一定是初步发现了问题,比如低回声区域,需要核磁共振确诊。你是个善于思考的人,心思重,容易担心吧。但是你不必太担心,我之前也是超声检查发现问题,做了核磁共振发现超声误诊。超声检查不够准确。你抽烟吗,喝酒吗,有肝炎吗?如果都没有,就没必要担心肝有什么大问题。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-26#15
据说会一步到位得肝癌
天天英语呀,你让我说你啥呢,就是能折腾,撇家带口非得移民,中年了给自己那么大压力干啥,人生那几十年在哪里还不能活,压力大就容易出问题。在中国做一个核磁共振几百元,一周就能做上,不知道你有没有插队。这边核磁共振的资源很紧张,所以很多老外自费到美国去做。超声检查一定是初步发现了问题,比如低回声区域,需要核磁共振确诊。你是个善于思考的人,心思重,容易担心吧。但是你不必太担心,我之前也是超声检查发现问题,做了核磁共振发现超声误诊。超声检查不够准确。你抽烟吗,喝酒吗,有肝炎吗?如果都没有,就没必要担心肝有什么大问题。

frontenac : 2014-07-26#16
据说会一步到位得肝癌

啥啊,别吓自己了,肝脏可以做MRI的病多了,硬要往最坏的想。。。。

zhoujielun : 2014-07-26#17
是肝癌吗?没有任何症状,我就是自己要求在产检中加了这一项检查而已。现在心理之七上八下。
mri在b超之后一般用于排除肿瘤,很可能是b超不清楚,别担心

candy : 2014-07-26#18
B超很多不清楚的,一般会做CT去确认,但你怀孕了所以选择MRI,不要担心.

Feat : 2014-07-26#19
据说会一步到位得肝癌
建议你查甲乙丙肝。肝癌不是突然得的,是脂肪肝到肝硬化才到肝癌的。胃癌也是从胃溃疡开始,肺癌从肺炎或肺气肿开始。恶性肿瘤不会无端出现的,都是组织器官失去活力坏死形成的,形成原因有压力酒精尼古丁炎症病毒等,都是长期作用造成的。所以说人不作死就不会死。

Feat : 2014-07-26#20
Feat,喜欢你的第四条签名。
你把“的第四条签名”几个字去掉就好了。

三月樱花开 : 2014-07-26#21
你把“的第四条签名”几个字去掉就好了。
切~

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-26#22
全无这些病毒,查过的
建议你查甲乙丙肝。肝癌不是突然得的,是脂肪肝到肝硬化才到肝癌的。胃癌也是从胃溃疡开始,肺癌从肺炎或肺气肿开始。恶性肿瘤不会无端出现的,都是组织器官失去活力坏死形成的,形成原因有压力酒精尼古丁炎症病毒等,都是长期作用造成的。所以说人不作死就不会死。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-26#23
有原位癌啊

Belge晓梦 : 2014-07-26#24
你把“的第四条签名”几个字去掉就好了。

好吧,听你的。

超邪气 : 2014-07-27#25
怀孕期间做不了CT,那东西是几百次剂量的X光。但是MRI是磁力,没有辐射畸形的问题,所以让你做MRI。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-27#26
明天去拿报告上来汇报

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-27#27
在网上刚查到的

Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)
Like CT scans, MRI scans provide detailed images of soft tissues in the body. But MRI scans use radio waves and strong magnets instead of x-rays. The energy from the radio waves is absorbed and then released in a pattern formed by the type of body tissue and by certain diseases. A computer translates the pattern into a very detailed image of parts of the body.
When MRI is used to look at liver tumors, several sets of images may be taken. After the first set is done, a contrast material called gadolinium is injected into a vein to help see details more clearly. Then other sets are taken over the next several minutes as the contrast moves through the liver and other parts of the body. This is known as dynamic contrast-enhanced MRI.
MRI scans can be very helpful in looking at liver tumors. Sometimes they can tell a benign tumor from a malignant one. They can also be used to look at blood vessels in and around the liver, and can help show if liver cancer has spread to other parts of the body.
MRI scans may be a little more uncomfortable than CT scans, and they often take longer. You may be placed inside a narrow tube, which is confining and can upset people with a fear of enclosed spaces. Special more open MRI machines can sometimes be used instead, but the drawback is that the pictures may not be as clear. The MRI machine also makes buzzing and clicking noises that you may find disturbing. Some places will provide earplugs to help block these noises out.

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-27#28
这个说怎么诊断肝癌的

Imaging studies
Imaging studies play a very important role in the diagnosis of liver cancer. A good study can provide information as to the size of the tumor, the number of tumors, and whether the tumor has involved major blood vessels locally or spread outside of the liver. There are several types of studies, each having its merits and disadvantages. In practice, several studies combined often complement each other. On the other hand, a plain X-ray of the area of the liver - right, upper portion of the abdomen - is not very helpful, and therefore, is not routinely done in the diagnostic work-up of liver cancer. Further, there is no practical role for nuclear medicine scans of the liver and spleen in the workup for liver cancer. Such scans are not very sensitive and they provide no additional information beyond that provided by the other (ultrasound, CT, and MRI) scans.
Ultrasound examination is usually the first study ordered if liver cancer is suspected in a patient. The accuracy of an ultrasound depends very much on the technician and radiologist who perform the study (it is an operator dependent test). Studies from Japan and Taiwan report that ultrasound is the most sensitive imaging study for diagnosing and characterizing liver cancer. However, in these studies, highly experienced individuals performed the scans and spent up to one hour scanning each patient suspected of having liver cancer. An ultrasound has the advantages of not requiring intravenous contrast material and not involving radiation. Moreover, the price of an ultrasound is quite low as compared to the other types of scans.
Computerized axial tomography (CT scan) is a very common study used in the U.S. for the workup of tumors in the liver. The ideal CT study is a multi-phase, spiral CT scan using oral and intravenous contrast material. Pictures are taken in three phases:
  • Without intravenous contrast
  • With intravenous contrast (enhanced imaging) that highlights the arterial system (arterial phase)
  • When the contrast is in the venous phase
The pictures are taken at very frequent intervals (thin slices) as the body is moved through the CT scanner. Many radiologists use a specific protocol that determines how the contrast is infused in relation to how the pictures are taken. Therefore, CT is much less operator-dependent than is ultrasound. However, CT is considerably more expensive. Furthermore, CT requires the use of contrast material, which has the potential risks of an allergic reaction and adverse effects on kidney function.
There are several variations to CT scanning. For example, in a CT angiogram, which is a highly invasive (enters a part of the body) study, intravenous contrast is selectively infused through the hepatic artery (artery to the liver). The purpose is to highlight the vessels for better visualization of them by the CT scan. Also, in Japan, an oily contrast material called Lipiodol, which is selectively taken up by liver cancer cells, has been used with CT. The purpose of this approach is to improve the sensitivity of the scan. This means the goal is to increase the percentage of abnormal CT scans in patients who have liver cancer.
Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) can provide very clear images of the body. Its advantage over CT is that MRI can provide sectional views of the body in different planes. The technology has evolved to the point that the newer MRIs can actually reconstruct images of the biliary tree (bile ducts and gallbladder) and of the arteries and veins of the liver. (The biliary tree transports bile from the liver to the duodenum, the first part of the intestine.) MRI studies can be made even more sensitive by using intravenous contrast material (for example, gadolinium).
MRI scans are expensive and there is tremendous variability in the quality of the images. The quality depends on the age of the machine and the ability of the patients to hold their breath for up to 15 to 20 seconds at a time. Furthermore, many patients, because of claustrophobia, cannot tolerate being in the enclosure of the MRI scanner. Additionally, the current open MRI scanners generally do not provide as high quality images as the closed scanners do. MRI sometimes finds lesions that are smaller than can be seen on a CT scan and can tell the radiologist more about the blood vessel (vascular) characteristics of the tumor; more importantly, there is no radiation risk, which becomes important if the screening test is to be repeated many times over a person's lifetime. A CT scan creates pictures using X-rays, while an MRI uses magnetic fields to produce the images.
Advances in ultrasound, CT, and MRI technology have almost eliminated the need for angiography. An angiography procedure involves inserting a catheter into the femoral artery (in the groin) through the aorta, and into the hepatic artery, the artery that supplies blood to the liver. Contrast material is then injected, and X-ray pictures of the arterial blood supply to the liver are taken. An angiogram of liver cancer shows a characteristic blush that is produced by newly formed abnormal small arteries that feed the tumor (neovascularization).
Another potential test used for many other cancers is a PET (positron emission tomography) scan, which involves the injection of radioactive sugar to light up actively growing cells, as in cancers. However, this is not very useful in liver cancer, as many liver cancers do not show a difference in the amount of the radioactive sugar that they take up as compared to normal liver tissue.
What, then, is the best imaging study for diagnosing liver cancer? There is no simple answer. Many factors need to be taken into consideration. For example, is the diagnosis of liver cancer known or is the scan being done for screening? What is the expertise of doctors in the patient's area? What is the quality of the different scanners at a particular facility? Are there economic considerations? Does the patient have any other conditions that need to be considered, such as claustrophobia or kidney impairment? Does the patient have any hardware, for example, a pacemaker or metal prosthetic device? (The hardware would make doing an MRI impossible, as the magnet can shut off the pacemaker.)
If you live in Japan or Taiwan and have access to a radiologist or liver specialist (hepatologist) with expertise in ultrasound, then it may be as good as a CT scan. Ultrasound is also the most practical (easier and cheaper) for regular screening (surveillance). In North America, a multiphase spiral CT scan is probably themost accurate type of scan. However, for patients with impaired renal functionor who have access to a state-of-the-art MRI scanner, the MRI may be thediagnostic scan of choice. Finally, keep in mind that the technology of ultrasound, CT, and MRI is ever evolving with the development of better machines and the use of special contrast materials to further characterize the tumors.

arielyou : 2014-07-27#29
楼主别吓自己了,别在网上查这些资料了,按照医生预约的检查就好了。你现在是孕妇,保持好的心情最重要了。
我前段时间打疫苗,过了2、3天突然感觉天旋地转的头晕,第二天上班又是这个感觉,然后就是感觉心慌气短。
我突然想起自己刚打过疫苗,就在网上查那个疫苗的影响,一看症状全对!把我吓完了,以为是这个罕见的反映呢。
给家庭医生打电话,到医生那里,她很认真,给我全面检查了一下。告诉我,以后不要在网上查这些资料了,没有事都把自己吓坏了。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-27#30
楼主别吓自己了,别在网上查这些资料了,按照医生预约的检查就好了。你现在是孕妇,保持好的心情最重要了。
我前段时间打疫苗,过了2、3天突然感觉天旋地转的头晕,第二天上班又是这个感觉,然后就是感觉心慌气短。
我突然想起自己刚打过疫苗,就在网上查那个疫苗的影响,一看症状全对!把我吓完了,以为是这个罕见的反映呢。
给家庭医生打电话,到医生那里,她很认真,给我全面检查了一下。告诉我,以后不要在网上查这些资料了,没有事都把自己吓坏了。
医生高度怀疑是肝血管瘤

Helen钱 : 2014-07-27#31
肝癌是很痛苦的,不会没有症状。
Lz多虑了,放宽心,焦虑的情绪对胎儿不好。

三月樱花开 : 2014-07-27#32
高度关注,安慰楼主。

arielyou : 2014-07-27#33
医生高度怀疑是肝血管瘤
先别自己吓自己了。病都是吓出来的。保持好心情,对胎儿好。

Belge晓梦 : 2014-07-27#34
有原位癌啊

我还在检查前填过手术后如何善后的表格呢---在电脑上,结果什么事也没有,就是个检查而已,放宽心。

据说会一步到位得肝癌

不是这样的。

医生高度怀疑是肝血管瘤

怀疑而已,不要过分担心。为你祈祷一定没事。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-28#35
如果是血管瘤,就不担心了。这个是良性的,据说还没有发现转成恶性的。原因很多,怀孕和中年是一个主要的诱发原因,和雌激素水平高有些关系。

等生完孩子再去MRI。

这一惊吓,觉得好好活着最重要,其它烦恼都不是烦恼,有也是自找的。加拿大不错,一个人得了绝症,不会搞得倾家荡产。我老公说,如果我在中国得了肝癌,家里那点存款根本不够,真是要倾家荡产了。

最近听说国内几个熟人得了肝癌,所以我一下子就往上想了。

阳光沙滩 : 2014-07-28#36
这一惊吓,觉得好好活着最重要,其它烦恼都不是烦恼,有也是自找的。
最近听说国内几个熟人得了肝癌,所以我一下子就往上想了。

这样想就对了,你一个人,怀着孕,还带着一个孩子,不容易,我真挺敬佩你的。

你想的多了点也正常,是谁都会那样。没事就好了。

Helen钱 : 2014-07-28#37
有最后消息吗?

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-29#38
今天有一个朋友来看我,她挺为我一个人带两个孩子,还有我的经济担心。我说,只要好好活着,就该满意。总不会让我过到1942电影里的日子吧?经过这个,我心理更知足了。

在生死面前,一切烦恼和计划,都属于吃饱了撑的个人矫情而已。人生的本质,不就是好好地活着而已。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-29#39
移民让我越来越懂得人生的真谛

笑看,笑看 : 2014-07-29#40
楼主的家庭医生还是挺尽责的,血管瘤用B超检查就能大概确认了,因为回声和tumor完全不一样,边际也应该比较清晰

既然医生催促就抓紧吧MRI吧,对胎儿没任何影响

snowbearbear : 2014-07-29#41
肝血管瘤应该不是恶性的。20年前一个阿姨就查出来,吓得要命。到处找偏方秘方。因为乐观想开了,活的特精神,现在还好好的呢。

tiantianyingyu : 2014-07-29#42
我估计外形让人感觉risky。想想,大孕肚子,前额有白发,40+,去诊所,还手拉一个6岁的调皮捣蛋的....

christina080420 : 2014-07-29#43
据说会一步到位得肝癌
可以干点别的 分散一下精力。你的这种担心只有看到最后结果才能消失。觉得不会有大碍,加油~