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You won! Now (how to) collect the money
This week I have been asked a couple of times how one goes about getting the money that the Landlord and Tenant Board has ordered someone to pay. There is a bit of surprise on the part of many people when they discover that the Landlord and Tenant Board may order a person to pay money to another person but when the person fails to pay--absolutely nothing happens. The fact is, the non-payment of an Order or a Judgment does not cause the government--Federal or Provincial---to do anything. There is no "office" that is in charge of making sure that people pay what they are ordered to pay.

The task of making sure that an Order of the Landlord and Tenant Board is complied with falls to the person who won. So, if you are the landlord and the tenant has been ordered to pay you a sum of money (for rent arrears, damages, costs, or any other reason), and the tenant has failed to pay, it falls to you to actively pursue the payment of the money. Otherwise nothing will happen.

The same is true for tenants. If you have obtained a judgment against your landlord for the payment of money, for whatever reason, and the landlord refuses to pay, you must take active steps to collect the judgment. Otherwise, absolutely nothing will happen.

So what are these steps? To answer this question I will make one significant assumption. That assumption is that you went through the process at the Landlord and Tenant Board and you have an Order from the Board that requires the opposing party to pay you money (for whatever reason).

Presuming that you want to try to enforce the Order yourself (as opposed to hiring a collection agency to collect your judgment), you will be taking the Order that you have, from the Landlord and Tenant Board, to the nearest Ontario Superior Court of Justice Small Claims Court. The reason for this is that the Residential Tenancies Act does not have any built in enforcement mechanisms for its judgments. To enforce an Order under the Residential Tenancies Act (even for eviction), you take the order to the Court for enforcement.

Money orders at the Landlord and Tenant will be for sums under $25,000 as this is the maximum jurisdiction of the Board. It also happens to be the same maximum monetary jurisdiction as the Ontario Small Claims Court. As such, I recommend that you enforce your money order through the small claims court as it is simpler (and cheaper) than enforcing it through the higher levels of the Superior Court of Justice (though you may do so if you wish).

Talking in big picture terms, what you will be doing with your Landlord and Tenant Board Order is that you will be converting it to a judgment of the Ontario Small Claims Court. Once you've done that, you will enforce the Judgment in the same way that you enforce a Judgment of the Small Claims Court (i.e. garnishment, writ of seizure and sale, debtor examination, etc.). Once you complete the conversion of the Order to a Small Claims Court judgment you will need to educate yourself on the mechanisms of enforcement as none of these things happen automatically either.

The conversion process is basically a paper shuffle. You will need to have an original copy of your Landlord and Tenant Board Order and you will need to take it to the Small Claims Court counter. There you will pay a small fee and you will then get a new Small Claims Court file number and the Board Order will be recognized as a Small Claims Court Judgment. Once that is completed you will need to decide how you want to enforce the Small Claims Court Judgment and then there will be a number of other forms to fill out in accordance with your decision. For example, if you decide to issue a garnishment to the tenant's employer, you will need to fill out the garnishment forms as set out under the Rules of the Small Claims Court. My point here is that the enforcement process are now under the Rules of the Small Claims Court and not pursuant to any Rules of the Landlord and Tenant Board or the Residential Tenancies Act.

Enforcement of Judgments is a tedious and time consuming task. Often, the debtor (person who owes you money) is difficult to find, broke, or hiding their assets. To be successful in debt collection you will need to be patient, do some detective work, and frankly have a little bit of luck. If this doesn't sound like something you would do, consider hiring a collection agency to pursue the Judgment for you as they will do all of the work for a percentage of the Judgment.

Michael Thiele, Lawyer
QTMG LLP
Ottawa, Ontario
 
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关于到法院申请强制执行:

Notice of Garnishment
Notice of Garnishment Form 20E MS Word Notice of Garnishment Form 20E PDF

Form 20E – Notice of Garnishment: A judgment debtor who does not voluntarily pay to satisfy a judgment may be subject to enforcement proceedings such as a garnishment. This enables a judgment creditor to seize any monies intended for the judgment debtor from third parties (such as a bank, employer, etc.) This form needs to be accompanied by a Garnishee Statement (Form 20F). The court filing fee for a Garnishment is $100.
 
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追债公司是没有司法裁决时候采用的,有司法裁决书直接司法机构强制执行,干嘛用讨债公司呢?讨债公司只能打电话,没权冻结他人银行账户、工资、房产、汽车等等。太法盲了,回家好好学学法律。

可笑。我见过不止一个实例。不要如此盛气凌人,急于评价别人。有了法律裁决的,很多例子都用到了追债公司。追债公司是拿着法院判决才能帮你追讨的,否则也是师出无名。动不动就攻击别人的,不知道是不是法盲,但缺乏教养倒是有目共睹的。
 
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可笑。我见过不止一个实例。不要如此盛气凌人,急于评价别人。有了法律裁决的,很多例子都用到了追债公司。追债公司是拿着法院判决才能帮你追讨的,否则也是师出无名。动不动就攻击别人的,不知道是不是法盲,但缺乏教养倒是有目共睹的。
不好意思,压根没有攻击的意思,而是要纠正一下:
1)讨债公司讨债方式只有两个:发信和打电话,而且打电话时间、频率、次数都有法律规定,否则违法;
2)讨债公司拿到司法判决去讨债等于脱裤子放屁多此一举,因为有了司法判决,司法机构可以强制执行了,没必要再请讨债公司去骚扰;
3)司法机构不可能将讨债的工作转给讨债公司的,因为你已经到小额法庭申请强制执行了,这就是司法领域的工作了,而讨债公司都是私人小公司而已,和司法机构风马牛不相及。

还是要有点法律常识,这也是为你好——日后遇到类似事情,你还会感谢我曾经纠正你的错误。
 
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有这种可能,加拿大有很多这种渣滓,这种小额的赔款,如果对方拒付,基本是没有办法拿回来的。申请法院执行需要请律师,打官司。律师费是一大笔,至少是这个金额的几倍。最后赢了,是否能执行,同样是个漫长过程。

如果对方付了钱,倒是还没有坏透。

我还真见过不少房屋租赁委员会租户胜诉判房东赔钱,房东躲起来让租客找不到的例子,只有执着的租客拿到了赔款,不少人空手而归,毕竟有些房东是职业,利益最大化是无容置疑的,所以会不择手段的逃避责任。
但是赶上较真的,懂行的,有时间精力的,还是可以拿到钱的,就是多费点劲而已。

看来大家都是杞人忧天的,我们就来点赞鼓掌欢呼就行。

可笑。我见过不止一个实例。不要如此盛气凌人,急于评价别人。有了法律裁决的,很多例子都用到了追债公司。追债公司是拿着法院判决才能帮你追讨的,否则也是师出无名。动不动就攻击别人的,不知道是不是法盲,但缺乏教养倒是有目共睹的。

好直爽的人,哈哈哈哈哈哈!
 
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我还真见过不少房屋租赁委员会租户胜诉判房东赔钱,房东躲起来让租客找不到的例子,只有执着的租客拿到了赔款,不少人空手而归,毕竟有些房东是职业,利益最大化是无容置疑的,所以会不择手段的逃避责任。
但是赶上较真的,懂行的,有时间精力的,还是可以拿到钱的,就是多费点劲而已。

看来大家都是杞人忧天的,我们就来点赞鼓掌欢呼就行。



好直爽的人,哈哈哈哈哈哈!

安大略省一个小城一上午就处理十来个案子,一年三千多个案子,空手而归的比例是多少呢?
 
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此过程中,中国人的人治思维大致体现在以下几方面:

首先,不知法就率先给我断案和“判决”。一些人了解了我的情况,马上以肯定的口气说:“估计你赢不了,够呛。”我说,你的这个断言的法理依据是哪个法案哪一页哪一条?由此我想到中纪委曝光国内很多法院院长居然都是不懂法的法律外行,说明这个国家法盲很普及,葫芦官断葫芦案比比皆是。而我加拿大律师和懂法的朋友都会拿出有关法案,找到某具体条款,肯定说,根据这一条你可以告他,那就是如果房东给租户的出租单元不适合人居住(uninhabitable),那就是房东的过失,这种不适合居住包括冬季室温没有达到法律的规定度数,等等。

第二,把人情因素想的太多。有人说租赁委员会是加拿大白人,房东也是加拿大白人,所以他们会向着自己人,没有中国人说话的份儿。这也是中国式的思维。照这个理儿,毛泽东就应该一直护着彭德怀,因为他们都是湖南人。

第三,把被告如何钻法律空子想得太多。比如说,不止一个中国人说,虽然判被告给我钱,但是他会耍赖,说自己是领救济的低收入,硬是不交钱。钻法律空子也是中国人治思维,因为发达国家法律健全,很难钻空子。一个人,有自己房产,自己不住,租给四个租户,自己为工作便利,另外住一处,这如果再申报低收入领救济,那就是严重的问题了。加拿大体系那么健全,能容得了这等诈骗?

第四,把加拿大司法机构执法能力想得过度悲观。比如说,好几个中国人说,虽然判对方赔偿,但是要执行起来比登天还难。没错,执行起来在中国比登天还难,本人领教过了;但是在加拿大,处处有对违法者的处罚,小额法庭岁岁年年官司不断,而租赁委员会一上午就有20多人听证,假如执行起来都拖泥带水、不了了之,主流社会早就有怨声载道了,但是没有看到;总体上来说加拿大社会还是比较“和谐”,不需要“维稳”。耍赖可以吗?你在加拿大开车没系安全带,被警察罚款,你可以赖着不缴钱试试。

总之,中国人的思维来自几千年封建专制的传统,一个从古至今传统上人治的社会,一个情大于法的社会,一个司法体系彻底腐败的社会。

当然,不敢说加拿大司法体系100%公正,但是肯定比天朝好百倍。不说加拿大了,就说大陆和台湾相比吧,你看看两边网路和在线论坛,大陆的到处是发牢骚、争吵、骂人、损人的,台湾那边则基本上心平气和的,这个差异相当明显。

还有,生活中遇到很多事,你会认为没有正义可言,但是从理性角度看人家没有违法,所以你是没辙的。举例说,你在一家单位尽职尽责,呕心沥血,但是一个合同期满,人家没有续聘你,婉言欢送,可能是因为你和上司关系没搞好,可能因为人家要节省人力开支,可能人家需要安插自己亲戚,你丝毫不知情。不管何种原因,也许这么做,你受到伤害,也许从情理上来说没有正义,但是从法理上来说,可能人家没有过失——你要看相关规定。这时你是无法谴责加拿大的社会正义和司法体系的,因为情是一方面,理又是一方面。情上遇到的非正义,你只能调整心态,重整河山;理上遭遇了不公正,那就需要诉诸法律了。这个要分清楚。

后记:iTalk BB长途电话里跟北京司法系统工作的老朋友详细描述了此事,他不禁连连赞叹:“人家司法制度确实比我们强!”说得他也想移民了。
 
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法治是好,但做起来成本太高就不一定较真占优。楼主三番四次讲警察罚款,个人不得不交之类,不知楼主听没听说过,警察也会谈判和解,以不扣分,或者少罚款来鼓励被告认罪?楼主不要太强调法治,而不注重实际,否则时间成本、精力成本太高,拿这个时间和精力挣来的钱比赔偿还高,那就太不值得了。
楼主精神可嘉,希望你最终能拿到赔偿。
 
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法治是好,但做起来成本太高就不一定较真占优。楼主三番四次讲警察罚款,个人不得不交之类,不知楼主听没听说过,警察也会谈判和解,以不扣分,或者少罚款来鼓励被告认罪?楼主不要太强调法治,而不注重实际,否则时间成本、精力成本太高,拿这个时间和精力挣来的钱比赔偿还高,那就太不值得了。
楼主精神可嘉,希望你最终能拿到赔偿。

“不知楼主听没听说过?” 我们说的是整个社会的大体情况,我在加拿大10年,什么事没遇到过?我只是从我和我家人、亲戚、同事、朋友所有人中大多数经历的情况做一个概述——个案当然有,但是总有一个比例。

实际上,你如果经历一次就知道不费什么成本和精力。正是因为很多人是你那个思路,才纵容了那些占便宜的人。
 
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“不知楼主听没听说过?” 我们说的是整个社会的大体情况,我在加拿大10年,什么事没遇到过?我只是从我和我家人、亲戚、同事、朋友所有人中大多数经历的情况做一个概述——个案当然有,但是总有一个比例。

实际上,你如果经历一次就知道不费什么成本和精力。正是因为很多人是你那个思路,才纵容了那些占便宜的人。

看来你并没有一份好工作,也不是一个实际的人。道不同不相为谋。
 

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