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房租报税: 请教一下, 夫妻名下共有房产, 房租报税,两个人是否可以任意比例分配收入?

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/816738/

宝兴里 : 2017-02-17#1
请教一下, 夫妻名下共有房产, 房租报税,两个人是否可以任意比例分配收入?

sofia : 2017-02-17#2
可以,但确定好比例后要保持每年一致。

宝兴里 : 2017-02-17#3
可以,但确定好比例后要保持每年一致。
谢谢, 就是说定了比例就不能变动了是吧.

sofia : 2017-02-18#4
谢谢, 就是说定了比例就不能变动了是吧.
是的。

gonghaiyong : 2017-02-18#5
任意比例是不可能的吧

小雷音 : 2017-02-18#6
If you sell house, it is strictly half by half if joined owned, so I don't think rentall income should be different. Actually cra doesn't have the direct answer. Practically people just do it till cra says no

sofia : 2017-02-18#7
If you sell house, it is strictly half by half if joined owned, so I don't think rentall income should be different. Actually cra doesn't have the direct answer. Practically people just do it till cra says no
CRA里面写的可以任何比例,但是选择了比例就要每年保持一致,作为专业人士不应该说我认为或我不认为。

Horse Dragoon : 2017-02-18#8
请教一下, 夫妻名下共有房产, 房租报税,两个人是否可以任意比例分配收入?


你就没看过我的帖。。

在安省, 我家报出租(投资房),我和老婆各分 20% , 80%, 谁年薪高谁就分的低, 但是 20%80% 是最大分担, 如果 超过比如15% 85%或 10%90%分, CRA要查了。

sofia : 2017-02-18#9
你就没看过我的帖。。

在安省, 我家报出租(投资房),我和老婆各分 20% , 80%, 谁年薪高谁就分的低, 但是 20%80% 是最大分担, 如果 超过比如15% 85%或 10%90%分, CRA要查了。
我每个房子的比例都不同,50/50,80/20,90/10和100/0的都有,CRA没查过,这两年是找CPA报税,他也没说过有问题。

小雷音 : 2017-02-18#10
CRA里面写的可以任何比例,但是选择了比例就要每年保持一致,作为专业人士不应该说我认为或我不认为。
我没有看到任何这样的文字
作为专业人士,我选择严谨。我的认为是我的解释,因为我没看到任何这样的官方解释。
说是别人说的,最好有出处。

小雷音 : 2017-02-18#11
你就没看过我的帖。。

在安省, 我家报出租(投资房),我和老婆各分 20% , 80%, 谁年薪高谁就分的低, 但是 20%80% 是最大分担, 如果 超过比如15% 85%或 10%90%分, CRA要查了。
我说了practically很多人做了,但没有任何一个官方东西支持,ITA和CRA的guide都没有明确这一块。
Theoretically splitting should be based either on contribution percentage, either on ownership percentage.

sofia : 2017-02-18#12
The person who owns the rental property has to report the income or loss. If you are a co-owner of the rental property, your share of the rental income or loss will depend on your share of ownership.

The rental income or loss percentage you report should be the same for each year unless the percentage of your ownership in the property changes.

小雷音 : 2017-02-18#13
The person who owns the rental property has to report the income or loss. If you are a co-owner of the rental property, your share of the rental income or loss will depend on your share of ownership.

The rental income or loss percentage you report should be the same for each year unless the percentage of your ownership in the property changes.
这个英文跟你写的中文完全不同,反而跟我说的一致,也就是by ownership,而不是你 说的任何比例. CRA可能不知道你的ownership的比例,也不知道夫妻是如何拥有这个房子,但是在卖房的时候,这些report就很严格,夫妻joint ownership都是50%和50%的报capital gain. 我们在file这些的时候都无一例外严格按这个比例。
您讲的是“CRA里面写的可以任何比例,但是选择了比例就要每年保持一致,作为专业人士不应该说我认为或我不认为。”

另外,这段英文只是是英文的而已,并不是CRA的任何文件上的,更不是IT A上的,我查了一下是另一位专业人士的解释,也就是他的认为,跟我的认为基本一致。
他的名字是ROBERT BRUCE, CA,以下是他的解释

Who reports the rental income or loss?

The person who owns the rental property has to report the rental income or loss. If you are a co-owner of the rental property, your share of the rental income or loss will depend on your share of ownership. Report the rental income the same way for each year you own that rental property. In other words, you cannot change the percentage of the rental income or loss you report each year unless the percentage of your ownership in the property changes.

sofia : 2017-02-18#14
这个英文跟你写的中文完全不同,反而跟我说的一致,也就是by ownership,而不是你 说的任何比例. CRA可能不知道你的ownership的比例,也不知道夫妻是如何拥有这个房子,但是在卖房的时候,这些report就很严格,夫妻joint ownership都是50%和50%的报capital gain. 我们在file这些的时候都无一例外严格按这个比例。
您讲的是“CRA里面写的可以任何比例,但是选择了比例就要每年保持一致,作为专业人士不应该说我认为或我不认为。”

另外,这段英文只是是英文的而已,并不是CRA的任何文件上的,更不是IT A上的,我查了一下是另一位专业人士的解释,也就是他的认为,跟我的认为基本一致。
他的名字是ROBERT BRUCE, CA,以下是他的解释

Who reports the rental income or loss?

The person who owns the rental property has to report the rental income or loss. If you are a co-owner of the rental property, your share of the rental income or loss will depend on your share of ownership. Report the rental income the same way for each year you own that rental property. In other words, you cannot change the percentage of the rental income or loss you report each year unless the percentage of your ownership in the property changes.
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/t4036/t4036-16e.pdf
第9页。

小雷音 : 2017-02-18#15
是的,那么他抄的是cRa 的解释,也是跟我的观点一致的。
我说出处来自那个人是错的,因为我Google 一下,他的出来了。
你quote的英文的确是CRA的,只是不是你的中文内容。CRA guide也是解释ita的。

sofia : 2017-02-19#16
是的,那么他抄的是cRa 的解释,也是跟我的观点一致的。
我说出处来自那个人是错的,因为我Google 一下,他的出来了。
你quote的英文的确是CRA的,只是不是你的中文内容。CRA guide也是解释ita的。
With both joint tenants and tenants in common, the property can be owned in whatever percentage shares the owners decide. For example, one person may have a 75% interest and another may have the remaining 25%.
ownership是自己决定的,税务局管不着,只要你确定了一个ownership的percentage并且保持不变,税务局是无权强迫你只能拥有50%的产权的。所以报房租收入比例也是可以是任意的。
希望能帮助到你和你的客户。

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#17
With both joint tenants and tenants in common, the property can be owned in whatever percentage shares the owners decide. For example, one person may have a 75% interest and another may have the remaining 25%.
ownership是自己决定的,税务局管不着,只要你确定了一个ownership的percentage并且保持不变,税务局是无权强迫你只能拥有50%的产权的。所以报房租收入比例也是可以是任意的。
希望能帮助到你和你的客户。

不知道您这段英文又是哪里来的,我找了一段法律词典上的定义。请看第一条。
Joint tenants usually share ownership of land, but the property may instead be money or other items. Four main featuresmark this type of ownership: (1) The joint tenants own an undivided interest in the property as a whole; each share is equal,and no one joint tenant can ever have a larger share. (2) The estates of the joint tenants are vested (meaning fixed andunalterable by any condition) for exactly the same period of time—in this case, the tenants' lifetime. (3) The joint tenantshold their property under the same title. (4) The joint tenants all enjoy the same rights until one of them dies. Under the rightof survivorship, the death of one joint tenant automatically transfers the remainder of the property in equal parts to thesurvivors. When only one joint tenant is left alive, he or she receives the entire estate.

sofia : 2017-02-19#18
http://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/title-and-ownership-of-property/
作为专业人士,建议你去咨询一下律师,这样对你的客户比较负责人。

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#19
With both joint tenants and tenants in common, the property can be owned in whatever percentage shares the owners decide. For example, one person may have a 75% interest and another may have the remaining 25%.
ownership是自己决定的,税务局管不着,只要你确定了一个ownership的percentage并且保持不变,税务局是无权强迫你只能拥有50%的产权的。所以报房租收入比例也是可以是任意的。
希望能帮助到你和你的客户。
  • 在卖房的时候,税局是明确跟我说必须夫妻两个人每人50%,如果可以任意定的话,那卖房应该也是一样啊。但是joint account,我知道不是一半对一半,而是原则上按contribution来分的,但这也不是任意的,如果真的需要审计的,是要证明这个分配的合理性的。

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#20
http://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/title-and-ownership-of-property/
作为专业人士,建议你去咨询一下律师,这样对你的客户比较负责人。
我没有签过这种双方joint拥有的产业的合同,所以不清楚是否要注明 拥有的share,如果有的话,就不可能是任意的。如果没有的话,现在是两种意见,一个说是可以任意分,一个是说要equal。
我目前的操作中租房都是一方拥有的,所以还没有这个问题,卖房的这种情况,税局则一定要对半,当然你可以说也税局不一定对。我目前经手的是非常负责的,绝对 不会告诉客户可以任意分。
谢谢提醒,我有律师朋友,需要的时候一定会请教的,毕竟要付费的,所以目前还没有这种情况要解决也没有问。

找到一篇文章回答这个问题的
http://eprnv.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Scriv-Winter-11-joint-tenancy.pdf

还是坚持我的理解,ownership in common 当然没问题,是按合同的比例,不是任意。夫妻一般是joint owned, 是要equal 的。

Sunnyli3137 : 2017-02-19#21
你就没看过我的帖。。

在安省, 我家报出租(投资房),我和老婆各分 20% , 80%, 谁年薪高谁就分的低, 但是 20%80% 是最大分担, 如果 超过比如15% 85%或 10%90%分, CRA要查了。
20%,80% 每年不可以改变?直到出售后,假如1万capital gains 你申报20%=2千,她8千?
还是各人50%?

Horse Dragoon : 2017-02-19#22
20%,80% 每年不可以改变?直到出售后,假如1万capital gains 你申报20%=2千,她8千?
还是各人50%?


你又没看我的卖CONDO帖, 哈哈哈。


每年不能变。一直到卖掉。

你还是不懂增值税的报法:

1万 的一半拿出来报。 用5千 一个分 20%=1千, 一个 80%=4千,

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#23
own an investment property with my wife which is rented out, and we declare the income on our respective tax returns. I am now a higher-rate taxpayer, while my wife is a basic rate. Is it possible to simply declare the majority of the income as my wife’s?

A: Spouses (and civil partners) generally own joint property as ‘joint tenants’, which means that each person has equal rights regarding the property and, on death, it passes automatically to the other.

The income from a jointly owned property is taxed either on a 50:50 split or the beneficial entitlement. Where property is held in joint names, HMRC will assume it is owned equally for income tax purposes, with income and expenses simply split in half between the spouses. This, however, is not the case where it is actually owned in a proportion differing from 50:50 and a declaration is made to that effect. The declaration, which is made on Form 17 (available on HMRC’s website) can only be made if the beneficial ownership of the property matches the split of the income. Form 17 must be signed by each party and submitted to HMRC within 60 days of the later signature. It only takes effect from the date signed and cannot be backdated. Evidence of the beneficial ownership has to be submitted to HMRC at the same time of submitting Form 17. If no declaration is made, the income will continue to be taxed on a 50:50 basis regardless of the beneficial ownership.

If the ownership of the property is as joint tenants, in order to change the beneficial ownership of the property, it needs to be transferred into joint ownership as tenants in common. This must be completed formally, for example by a deed, and is best completed by a solicitor to ensure all is correct. The beneficial ownership split is decided by the spouses, and as mentioned above, in order for the rental profit (or loss) to be split in the same ratio, Form 17 is then completed. It is important to remember that where property is held as tenants in common, each spouse may dispose of their respective share as they wish, either while alive or on death.

Care needs to be taken if the property is mortgaged. If the transferee takes over responsibility of the mortgage, this debt is treated as consideration and Stamp Duty Land Tax may be payable depending on the amount.

When the property is sold, it is the underlying beneficial ownership of the property that determines the Capital Gains Tax treatment, so it may be worth considering this again prior to any disposal.

Ben Chaplin is managing director of Taxwise

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#24
你又没看我的卖CONDO帖, 哈哈哈。


每年不能变。一直到卖掉。

你还是不懂增值税的报法:

1万 的一半拿出来报。 用5千 一个分 20%=1千, 一个 80%=4千,
只是没查你而已

gonghaiyong : 2017-02-19#25
如果这个真是个人选择,不想以后有麻烦,50:50,如果想占便宜又心安理得,1:99都行。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-19#26
英语那么好,打个电话去税局问问呗。
咬文饺子,空对空,搞不好还误导。

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#27
英语那么好,打个电话去税局问问呗。
咬文饺子,空对空,搞不好还误导。

对我来说是一定的事,没什么好问的。别人不信应该自己问
可以take chance的地方的确很多,不是说不能take,而是我们肯定不能建议take。

还有不少事物所说工签居民不用报海外资产,当然都没事,但是逮着一年2500的罚金谁交

另外,接电话的一般都很大可能回答不了你的问题,而申请书面Ruling批下来是个漫长过程,一旦ruling下来,就没有机会take chance了

打电话给ruling部门,经常他们也不知道,一边查一边大段大段地念条款,有时条款回答不了具体问题。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-19#28
  • own an investment property with my wife which is rented out, and we declare the income on our respective tax returns. I am now a higher-rate taxpayer, while my wife is a basic rate. Is it possible to simply declare the majority of the income as my wife’s?

  1. A: Spouses (and civil partners) generally own joint property as ‘joint tenants’, which means that each person has equal rights regarding the property and, on death, it passes automatically to the other.

    The income from a jointly owned property is taxed either on a 50:50 split or the beneficial entitlement. Where property is held in joint names, HMRC will assume it is owned equally for income tax purposes, with income and expenses simply split in half between the spouses. This, however, is not the case where it is actually owned in a proportion differing from 50:50 and a declaration is made to that effect. The declaration, which is made on Form 17 (available on HMRC’s website) can only be made if the beneficial ownership of the property matches the split of the income. Form 17 must be signed by each party and submitted to HMRC within 60 days of the later signature. It only takes effect from the date signed and cannot be backdated. Evidence of the beneficial ownership has to be submitted to HMRC at the same time of submitting Form 17. If no declaration is made, the income will continue to be taxed on a 50:50 basis regardless of the beneficial ownership.

    If the ownership of the property is as joint tenants, in order to change the beneficial ownership of the property, it needs to be transferred into joint ownership as tenants in common. This must be completed formally, for example by a deed, and is best completed by a solicitor to ensure all is correct. The beneficial ownership split is decided by the spouses, and as mentioned above, in order for the rental profit (or loss) to be split in the same ratio, Form 17 is then completed. It is important to remember that where property is held as tenants in common, each spouse may dispose of their respective share as they wish, either while alive or on death.

    Care needs to be taken if the property is mortgaged. If the transferee takes over responsibility of the mortgage, this debt is treated as consideration and Stamp Duty Land Tax may be payable depending on the amount.

    When the property is sold, it is the underlying beneficial ownership of the property that determines the Capital Gains Tax treatment, so it may be worth considering this again prior to any disposal.

    Ben Chaplin is managing director of Taxwis


红字部分是解释JOINT联名情况下的特殊利益分配。。。。。。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-19#29
联名产业50:50。三个人也可以联名。
但万一其中一人死亡的话,所有权全部归另一方或几方。

和真正50:50份额的不同。其中一方死亡,他的份额是按遗产分配的。

上面红字部分,提出来一个benificial ownership的概念。那就明显和JOINT不一样了。
联名物业,但利益权利可以另外声明。。。。。。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-19#30
而且这个案例也貌似来自于英国。

https://www.ftadviser.com/contact-us/


FORM 17,Form 17 (available on HMRC’s websit。。。
是什么高大上专业词汇?

哈法 : 2017-02-19#31
而且这个案例也貌似来自于英国。

https://www.ftadviser.com/contact-us/


FORM 17,Form 17 (available on HMRC’s websit。。。
是什么高大上专业词汇?
英国税务局:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ial-interests-in-joint-property-and-income-17

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#32
而且这个案例也貌似来自于英国。

https://www.ftadviser.com/contact-us/


FORM 17,Form 17 (available on HMRC’s websit。。。
是什么高大上专业词汇?
这个不是加拿大的,这篇文章的地址来自美国。加拿大的没有这么严格,但是对于夫妻joint ownership 的理解应该是一致的。
税局没有关于这个问题的直接答复,就象出口车退税一样,问税局他们说不能怎么样,说有的人这样了没被查不等于是对的,但是他们还是有时候允许发生,有时候不允许发生,因为没有很明确案例的时候,上法庭税局输的时候也不少。

哈法 : 2017-02-19#33
own an investment property with my wife which is rented out, and we declare the income on our respective tax returns. I am now a higher-rate taxpayer, while my wife is a basic rate. Is it possible to simply declare the majority of the income as my wife’s?

A: Spouses (and civil partners) generally own joint property as ‘joint tenants’, which means that each person has equal rights regarding the property and, on death, it passes automatically to the other.

The income from a jointly owned property is taxed either on a 50:50 split or the beneficial entitlement. Where property is held in joint names, HMRC will assume it is owned equally for income tax purposes, with income and expenses simply split in half between the spouses. This, however, is not the case where it is actually owned in a proportion differing from 50:50 and a declaration is made to that effect. The declaration, which is made on Form 17 (available on HMRC’s website) can only be made if the beneficial ownership of the property matches the split of the income. Form 17 must be signed by each party and submitted to HMRC within 60 days of the later signature. It only takes effect from the date signed and cannot be backdated. Evidence of the beneficial ownership has to be submitted to HMRC at the same time of submitting Form 17. If no declaration is made, the income will continue to be taxed on a 50:50 basis regardless of the beneficial ownership.

If the ownership of the property is as joint tenants, in order to change the beneficial ownership of the property, it needs to be transferred into joint ownership as tenants in common. This must be completed formally, for example by a deed, and is best completed by a solicitor to ensure all is correct. The beneficial ownership split is decided by the spouses, and as mentioned above, in order for the rental profit (or loss) to be split in the same ratio, Form 17 is then completed. It is important to remember that where property is held as tenants in common, each spouse may dispose of their respective share as they wish, either while alive or on death.

Care needs to be taken if the property is mortgaged. If the transferee takes over responsibility of the mortgage, this debt is treated as consideration and Stamp Duty Land Tax may be payable depending on the amount.

When the property is sold, it is the underlying beneficial ownership of the property that determines the Capital Gains Tax treatment, so it may be worth considering this again prior to any disposal.

Ben Chaplin is managing director of Taxwise
这是英国税法,适合加拿大吗?

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#34
这是英国税法,适合加拿大吗?
这个不是税法,只是用来说明joint ownership的理解,因为这个比例要基于ownership,而不是任意 比例这个是肯定的。但是对于joint ownership,楼上有人找到有的文章说可以是不equal的,也贴出来了,但我查了大量的资料都是表明joint ownership 是identical的。

因为我不是律师,对于joint tenacy下面的三种情况不能完全不清楚,但可以确定joint ownership这种下是没有什么疑问的。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-19#35
这个不是加拿大的,这篇文章的地址来自美国。加拿大的没有这么严格,但是对于夫妻joint ownership 的理解应该是一致的。
税局没有关于这个问题的直接答复,就象出口车退税一样,问税局他们说不能怎么样,说有的人这样了没被查不等于是对的,但是他们还是有时候允许发生,有时候不允许发生,因为没有很明确案例的时候,上法庭税局输的时候也不少。
不是加拿大的,就不要举例了吧?!
那么多人有租房收入,这个问题税局居然没有标准答案?!
匪夷所思。

你文章里的几个不熟悉的词汇,一狗就到英国税局去了。。。。。。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-19#36
对我来说是一定的事,没什么好问的。别人不信应该自己问
可以take chance的地方的确很多,不是说不能take,而是我们肯定不能建议take。

还有不少事物所说工签居民不用报海外资产,当然都没事,但是逮着一年2500的罚金谁交

另外,接电话的一般都很大可能回答不了你的问题,而申请书面Ruling批下来是个漫长过程,一旦ruling下来,就没有机会take chance了

打电话给ruling部门,经常他们也不知道,一边查一边大段大段地念条款,有时条款回答不了具体问题。

既然查找大量资料,都没找到出处,小雷音是怎么确定“
对我来说是一定的事,没什么好问的”?

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#37
不是加拿大的,就不要举例了吧?!
那么多人有租房收入,这个问题税局居然没有标准答案?!
匪夷所思。

你文章里的几个不熟悉的词汇,一狗就到英国税局去了。。。。。。
标准答案很清楚,by ownership,现在的问题是joint ownership是不是equal的问题。很多人只愿意相信自己想要的罢了。我从来没有说税局没有答案,税局只是没有有guide上写夫妻joint owned的按什么比例分罢了。所以很多人不死心。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-19#38
等唐人JASON,他还比较客观爱钻研靠谱。


会不会马龙和搜飞他们在其他省?????

小雷音 : 2017-02-19#39
等唐人JASON,他还比较客观爱钻研靠谱。


会不会马龙和搜飞他们在其他省?????
ITA不存在省的问题

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-20#40
ITA不存在省的问题

JOINT联名不等于50:50。两人共同100拥有。
JOINT联名均分收入没错。但20:80也未必就错了。平头百姓想在税法下省点钱,也是应该的。

如果一个税务专业人员以严格执行税法为己任,不想方设法为客户在可能情况下合法避税,他的职业操守更适合去税务局或稽查局工作,为政府谋利,而不是当会计师为普通人服务。

wlhisya : 2017-02-20#41
1、根据税务局的文件,配偶间的租金收入按照配偶对房屋的所有权比例进行分配。至于配偶对房屋的所有权如何分配,自然是配偶间的事,只是当税务局对这一所有权分配有异议时,举证义务在taxpayer。如果不能举证,则以税务局的认定为准,那可能会涉及对过往税表的调整,产生利息和罚款,而且增加未来税表被reassess的几率。
2、论坛中分享的配偶间根据收入高低分配租金的方式,并不符合上述税务局文件。目前没有被查,并不代表这种租金分配方式是可行的。
3、如果被税务局认定taxpayer的上述行为为逃税,则税务局可以永久追溯,没有六年期限一说。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-20#42
1、根据税务局的文件,配偶间的租金收入按照配偶对房屋的所有权比例进行分配。至于配偶对房屋的所有权如何分配,自然是配偶间的事,只是当税务局对这一所有权分配有异议时,举证义务在taxpayer。如果不能举证,则以税务局的认定为准,那可能会涉及对过往税表的调整,产生利息和罚款,而且增加未来税表被reassess的几率。
2、论坛中分享的配偶间根据收入高低分配租金的方式,并不符合上述税务局文件。目前没有被查,并不代表这种租金分配方式是可行的。
3、如果被税务局认定taxpayer的上述行为为逃税,则税务局可以永久追溯,没有六年期限一说。
所有权不是50:50吗?
是不是理解,是对房屋产生的“收益”,配偶之间可以另外自定。
毕竟房子产生租金,不完全是不动产自动产生的。
CAPITAL GAIN是资本利得,以股份说话。
房租是雷柏做出来的。

比如一个人操心更多,维护更多,花的时间更多。。。。。。体现在房租收入约定的比例上。

就像合伙买生意,大家出资一样,股权是平等的。一个是不管事的,一个是亲历亲为的。
花精力更多的股东,收入上一定会有差别的。或者按小时另外付钱,或者产权是产权均分,但收益比例是收益比例。

这样想,就能理解了吧?!

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-20#43
1、根据税务局的文件,配偶间的租金收入按照配偶对房屋的所有权比例进行分配。至于配偶对房屋的所有权如何分配,自然是配偶间的事,只是当税务局对这一所有权分配有异议时,举证义务在taxpayer。如果不能举证,则以税务局的认定为准,那可能会涉及对过往税表的调整,产生利息和罚款,而且增加未来税表被reassess的几率。
2、论坛中分享的配偶间根据收入高低分配租金的方式,并不符合上述税务局文件。目前没有被查,并不代表这种租金分配方式是可行的。
3、如果被税务局认定taxpayer的上述行为为逃税,则税务局可以永久追溯,没有六年期限一说。
第一条,不是对房屋所有权进行分配,这个权利在房本上已经写明了。
是对房屋产生的投资收益进行分配。。。

wlhisya : 2017-02-20#44
所有权不是50:50吗?
是不是理解,是对房屋产生的“收益”,配偶之间可以另外自定。
毕竟房子产生租金,不完全是不动产自动产生的。
CAPITAL GAIN是资本利得,以股份说话。
房租是雷柏做出来的。

比如一个人操心更多,维护更多,花的时间更多。。。。。。体现在房租收入约定的比例上。

就像合伙买生意,大家出资一样,股权是平等的。一个是不管事的,一个是亲历亲为的。
花精力更多的股东,收入上一定会有差别的。或者按小时另外付钱,或者产权是产权均分,但收益比例是收益比例。

这样想,就能理解了吧?!
税务局的文件是说按照ownership分配,不是按照劳动力投入程度分配。
至于配偶对房屋的ownership,并不是只有50:50这种,其他类别可以咨询律师。
至于你说的合伙做生意,一般情况下,股权决定了收益比列,精力花的多的,或许股权拿的多,或许工资拿的多。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-20#45
税务局的文件是说按照ownership分配,不是按照劳动力投入程度分配。
至于配偶对房屋的ownership,并不是只有50:50这种,其他类别可以咨询律师。
至于你说的合伙做生意,一般情况下,股权决定了收益比列,精力花的多的,或许股权拿的多,或许工资拿的多。
那当然。
夫妻对一处房产所有权分jointed和shared 的方式.。
现在争议的,主要是joint方式怎么报房租收入。
按你们至少俩个专业报税人士的说法,按"ownership ",那不就明确jointed房产按5:5报了吗?

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-20#46
顶上来,想把这事弄清楚。。。。。

wlhisya : 2017-02-20#47
那当然。
夫妻对一处房产所有权分jointed和shared 的方式.。
现在争议的,主要是joint方式怎么报房租收入。
按你们至少俩个专业报税人士的说法,按"ownership ",那不就明确jointed房产按5:5报了吗?
joint的ownership按照什么比例,这个问题更适合律师来回答,而且也是case by case,看整个购房合同本身有没有其他额外条款。如果客户认为自己房屋的joint ownership的比例不是1:1,只要能够提出证据,税务局一样会接受的。
所以还是回到最开头说的,自己保存好相关证据。

捶扭皮 : 2017-02-21#48
俺为了搞清楚这事,今天专门去邮局拿了套税表。多年没填过纸质的了。回头慢慢看。。。

既然本楼里有几位投资房产的人言辞灼灼声明自己是按固定比例分配的,而且是找会计报税,那就说明有合法的可能性。

好的专业人员更能吃透政策,主动帮客户想办法省税。

各行业有专业证书,却稀里糊涂的多得是。

shanshan904998999 : 2018-03-31#49
一派胡言

streetparty : 2018-03-31#50
Mark

cg2006 : 2018-04-01#51
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肉食小绵羊 : 2018-04-03#52
CRA里面写的可以任何比例,但是选择了比例就要每年保持一致,作为专业人士不应该说我认为或我不认为。
CRA说的是按照ownership的比例

Who reports the rental income or loss?
The person who owns the rental property has to report the income or loss. If you are a co-owner of the rental property, your share of the rental income or loss will depend on your share of ownership.

The rental income or loss percentage you report should be the same for each year unless the percentage of your ownership in the property changes.

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-ag...ions/t4036/rental-income-2016.html#P273_23328

newdragon : 2019-04-22#53
请问谁有权威的说法啊? 这个问题很困惑啊。谢谢

lovemapleleaf : 2019-04-22#54
我觉得应该是按房产的ownership比例来分配租金收入,如果想把租金算在低收入一方,最好是买房的时候就把ownership比例弄好

新来乍到2014 : 2020-06-02#55
学习了

godream : 2020-06-02#56
我理解应该可以分配不同的比例,但要合理,可以2/8,所谓合理就是8成那一方在租房方面付出了更多劳动,如果有co-ownership, 但是用0/10,明显不合理;再有就是以后万一卖房子,比例怎么分?是否前后一致?都需要考虑清楚。

报任何比例都可以,变化也可以,但CRA万一查起来,要有合理解释才行。

个人理解。