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庞巴迪的未来

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/895028/

哈法 : 2020-02-17#1
庞巴迪最近不断卖出庞巴迪的生意:飞机制造和正在洽谈的高速火车制造。只保留私人豪华飞机制造。庞巴迪的负债高达93亿!
大约在1998年时,我对庞巴迪做了较深入的分析,我参考了几位著名专家的方式,比如Peter Lynch, Warren Buffett 等,得出的结论是以当时庞巴迪的股价,是overvalue, 它实质的内在价值(Intrinsic Value), 只值$1.00(两次分拆)左右。在我分析时庞巴迪的股价在两次分拆(Split 2:1)后是$10.00 左右。因此我没有投资它的股票,虽然在2000年时它的股票上升到$26.00 左右,我仍然没有觉得后悔,因为我投资股票:1,Value Invest:当优质股票因某种原因短期下跌,但长期仍然是优质股票的话,我就会找机会去投资了;2,投资优质股票着眼于10年,甚至更长。但庞巴迪并不符合这两种条件。

从此之后,我放弃了对庞巴迪的进一步研究,虽然仍然在留意它的股价,是不是想我所分析的那样,达到我所分析的股价。我现在已放弃留意它的股价了,只是这两天看到有关它的新闻时,才看了一下。

我对它的未来仍然不看好。如果只保留私人豪华飞机制造,这种生意到底有多少生意呢?我个人觉得庞巴迪有可能重组,甚至有可能申请破产保护令。庞巴迪还有巨大的退休金负债高达12亿,不清楚这个负债是不是包括在上面所说的93亿。

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周雅 : 2020-02-17#2
庞巴迪最近不断卖出庞巴迪的生意:飞机制造和正在洽谈的高速火车制造。只保留私人豪华飞机制造。庞巴迪的负债高达93亿!
大约在1998年时,我对庞巴迪做了较深入的分析,我参考了几位著名专家的方式,比如Peter Lynch, Warren Buffett 等,得出的结论是以当时庞巴迪的股价,是overvalue, 它实质的内在价值(Intrinsic Value), 只值$1.00(两次分拆)左右。在我分析时庞巴迪的股价在两次分拆(Split 2:1)后是$10.00 左右。因此我没有投资它的股票,虽然在2000年时它的股票上升到$26.00 左右,我仍然没有觉得后悔,因为我投资股票:1,Value Invest:当优质股票因某种原因短期下跌,但长期仍然是优质股票的话,我就会找机会去投资了;2,投资优质股票着眼于10年,甚至更长。但庞巴迪并不符合这两种条件。

从此之后,我放弃了对庞巴迪的进一步研究,虽然仍然在留意它的股价,是不是想我所分析的那样,达到我所分析的股价。我现在已放弃留意它的股价了,只是这两天看到有关它的新闻时,才看了一下。

我对它的未来仍然不看好。如果只保留私人豪华飞机制造,这种生意到底有多少生意呢?我个人觉得庞巴迪有可能重组,甚至有可能申请破产保护令。庞巴迪还有巨大的退休金负债高达12亿,不清楚这个负债是不是包括在上面所说的93亿。
知道庞巴迪是个shit。 但按你的标准,请有空简单说说你投资股票组合,如何? :unsure:

家园小千 : 2020-02-17#3
知道庞巴迪是个shit。 但按你的标准,请有空简单说说你投资股票组合,如何? :unsure:
哈哥是银行大股东

LIGHTBLUE168 : 2020-02-17#4
厉害 (y),也请介绍一些有价值的股票

周雅 : 2020-02-17#5
哈哥是银行大股东
那就是哈法首负? :D

家园小千 : 2020-02-17#6
那就是哈法首负? :D
记得哈哥推荐过BMO和TD

周雅 : 2020-02-17#7
记得哈哥推荐过BMO和TD
这两是比较好股票,但是如何时段都可以买入吗?

家园小千 : 2020-02-17#8
这两是比较好股票,但是如何时段都可以买入吗?
@哈法

哈法 : 2020-02-17#9
哈哥是银行大股东
知道庞巴迪是个shit。 但按你的标准,请有空简单说说你投资股票组合,如何? :unsure:
按照Peter Lynch 的说法是,你工作的行业是什么,你就去投资这个行业,因为你了解这个行业,比如说千哥是做零售的,就去投资零售业。我以前曾在酒店做过,我那时就投资酒店REIT。
我的投资全是加股,而且我是非常保守的,只投资每年有派息的,最好是每年有增加派息的,如果曾有减少派息的记录的,一律不考虑。我的投资股票组合有地产基金(REIT), 有公用股(Utilities ),有Finance的,有资源的。我不投资美股的原因是因为有 Withhold Tax,太麻烦。

tony : 2020-02-17#10
求带头大哥

哈法 : 2020-02-17#11
这两是比较好股票,但是如何时段都可以买入吗?
BMo 我是在2008年大跌时买的,只不过当时没那么多现金,只买了100股,当时是45元,但最低价是25元左右。BC Hydro 是Crown 的,不是上市公司,如果是的话,可以考虑。

周雅 : 2020-02-17#12
按照Peter Lynch 的说法是,你工作的行业是什么,你就去投资这个行业,因为你了解这个行业,比如说千哥是做零售的,就去投资零售业。我以前曾在酒店做过,我那时就投资酒店REIT。
我的投资全是加股,而且我是非常保守的,只投资每年有派息的,最好是每年有增加派息的,如果曾有减少派息的记录的,一律不考虑。我的投资股票组合有地产基金(REIT), 有公用股(Utilities ),有Finance的,有资源的。我不投资美股的原因是因为有 Withhold Tax,太麻烦。
相比之下,我的投资过于激进或者过于冒险了,去年赚的钱全亏在大麻股上了,还倒贴不少,痛定思痛,要向你学习保守投资。

lovemapleleaf : 2020-02-17#13
相比之下,我的投资过于激进或者过于冒险了,去年赚的钱全亏在大麻股上了,还倒贴不少,痛定思痛,要向你学习保守投资。

买指数ETF,保守一点买美国3大指数ETF,激进点可以去买板块的ETF

闲钱想投资 : 2020-02-17#14
庞巴迪是典型加拿大制度性腐败毒瘤范例之一,虽然能解决部分就业的正面社会作用。
记得亏损最厉害的前两年,公司高层年终红利大概都是个人近千万加元吧。这家公司的制度性腐败,个人直觉危害性比魁电等更大,以前好像有报道里面的利益链及利益转移途径,好像是说选举经费啥的。

闲钱想投资 : 2020-02-17#15
相比之下,我的投资过于激进或者过于冒险了,去年赚的钱全亏在大麻股上了,还倒贴不少,痛定思痛,要向你学习保守投资。
亡羊补牢,为时未晚

周雅 : 2020-02-17#16
买指数ETF,保守一点买美国3大指数ETF,激进点可以去买板块的ETF
现在适合买什么板块的ETF?

周雅 : 2020-02-17#17
亡羊补牢,为时未晚
请指教怎么补牢?

lovemapleleaf : 2020-02-17#18
现在适合买什么板块的ETF?

不好说,我对医疗保健,信息技术,半导体,银行,房产,公用事业这些板块觉得比较放心一点

闲钱想投资 : 2020-02-17#19
请指教怎么补牢?
如果我是你,就考虑前面大家的大概做法。
人过中年,股票做的就是一种信念,信仰,不为物喜不为己悲。
我相信巴爷如果今天买了股票明天翻倍,他一定会马上解散这个办公室所有相关人员,他的理念不是这样的。

lovemapleleaf : 2020-02-17#20
股票也可以少买,当个调味品,要不然炒股会有点无聊

BBD 我在1.9 买了100股,没几天就遇到炸弹,一下跌到 1.2 ,我又买了100股,现在解套了

幽香百合 : 2020-02-17#21
按照Peter Lynch 的说法是,你工作的行业是什么,你就去投资这个行业,因为你了解这个行业,比如说千哥是做零售的,就去投资零售业。我以前曾在酒店做过,我那时就投资酒店REIT。
我的投资全是加股,而且我是非常保守的,只投资每年有派息的,最好是每年有增加派息的,如果曾有减少派息的记录的,一律不考虑。我的投资股票组合有地产基金(REIT), 有公用股(Utilities ),有Finance的,有资源的。我不投资美股的原因是因为有 Withhold Tax,太麻烦。
就是因为我家有人在庞巴迪工作,所以才投资它的,请解现在怎么走为上策?:wdb14:谢谢

哈法 : 2020-02-17#22
就是因为我家有人在庞巴迪工作,所以才投资它的,请解现在怎么走为上策?:wdb14:谢谢
你这个问题,我还真没办法答复你。

但因为庞巴迪庞大的defined benefit plan的负债(12亿)和公司的业务持续的走下坡,如果是退休人员或是将要退休的话,就要认真的考虑庞巴迪的退休金的问题了。假设很不幸,庞巴迪最后重组,甚至申请破产保护令,庞巴迪的退休金和包括多年来的供款,就会变成一无所有,就像以前的北电和Sears。

我也试过买的股票,因为所谓的Value Trap,而有较大的损失,在这种情况下,我只能卖了。

AZURR : 2020-02-17#23
你这个问题,我还真没办法答复你。

但因为庞巴迪庞大的defined benefit plan的负债(12亿)和公司的业务持续的走下坡,如果是退休人员或是将要退休的话,就要认真的考虑庞巴迪的退休金的问题了。假设很不幸,庞巴迪最后重组,甚至申请破产保护令,庞巴迪的退休金和包括多年来的供款,就会变成一无所有,就像以前的北电和Sears。

我也试过买的股票,因为所谓的Value Trap,而有较大的损失,在这种情况下,我只能卖了。
具体操作建议给不得。
上次危机,股价掉到几毛钱,死定了的公司。可政府投资纾困,股价翻了几番。
GM 清盘前还回光返照地涨了一把,手快的火中取栗,也赚了一把。
BBD 居然今天还撑在 1.65$,要是我,直接市价委托走人,救一个钱是一个钱。

哈法 : 2020-02-17#24
具体操作建议给不得。
上次危机,股价掉到几毛钱,死定了的公司。可政府投资纾困,股价翻了几番。
GM 清盘前还回光返照地涨了一把,手快的火中取栗,也赚了一把。
BBD 居然今天还撑在 1.65$,要是我,直接市价委托走人,救一个钱是一个钱。
最可气的是那些证卷分析家们,在Yahoo Finance上居然是在Buy和Hold之间是2.3,就没有一个人说那怕是under performance 也好。这使我不仅想起以前环球邮报曾发表过一位在投资公司做投资经理的文章,他在文章中透露,有些证卷分析家因为:1,为了给公司做多生意;2,应被分析公司的要求,而做出对被分析公司利好的评价!
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明珠 : 2020-02-17#25
庞巴迪不是前年才赢了美国的一场官司,当时有人说它的那个机型就够吃十年的,怎么才两年就不行了?

frontenac : 2020-02-17#26
我几年前就说让它早死早超生了。。。
我要是政府,当年一毛钱也不会给它。。

我记得当时这样说,凡哥还生我气。。

@AZURR

哈法 : 2020-02-17#27
庞巴迪不是前年才赢了美国的一场官司,当时有人说它的那个机型就够吃十年的,怎么才两年就不行了?
前几天环球邮报有篇报道说,当年庞巴迪把snowmobile的生意卖了后,以为做私人飞机有市场潜力,但没想到大失所望。但我不明白的是现在反而只保留私人飞机的生意。

哈法 : 2020-02-17#28
我几年前就说让它早死早超生了。。。
我要是政府,当年一毛钱也不会给它。。

我记得当时这样说,凡哥还生我气。。

@AZURR
凡哥可能买了它的股票:cry:
魁省政府的退休金投资了几十亿,想挽回。当年的北电,又不见安省政府挽求。

luf_7_6 : 2020-02-17#29
前几天环球邮报有篇报道说,当年庞巴迪把snowmobile的生意卖了后,以为做私人飞机有市场潜力,但没想到大失所望。但我不明白的是现在反而只保留私人飞机的生意。
旁巴迪的私人飞机业务,其实是高端的商务机(10坐到20座),这个市场大约有全球有5万架,亚洲还在快速成长,有利可图,而且更关键的,旁巴迪已手握超25%市场份额,保留此块业务,合乎逻辑,旁巴迪的问题是加拿大高端制造业问题缩影,管理不力,效率低下,高福利负担,完蛋是迟早的。

frontenac : 2020-02-17#30
凡哥可能买了它的股票:cry:
魁省政府的退休金投资了几十亿,想挽回。当年的北电,又不见安省政府挽求。
我记得凡哥是痛心疾首我的目光短浅,这可是高科技,加拿大的宝,十亩地一棵苗,旗下还有这么多员工这么多张嘴,我居然要放任它去死。。:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

AZURR : 2020-02-17#31
我几年前就说让它早死早超生了。。。
我要是政府,当年一毛钱也不会给它。。

我记得当时这样说,凡哥还生我气。。

@AZURR
就业也好,情怀也罢。当年赌政府不会放弃 BBD 就对了,买多少,赚多少。

哈法 : 2020-02-17#32
就业也好,情怀也罢。当年赌政府不会放弃 BBD 就对了,买多少,赚多少。
这种做法不适合我。我对此类股票都是敬而远之。

AZURR : 2020-02-18#33
这种做法不适合我。我对此类股票都是敬而远之。
严格自律,不碰热钱。自我心理管理第一。

哈法 : 2020-02-18#34
今天看了环球邮报的一篇文章,更坚定了我对庞巴迪的评价:是垃圾公司。这篇文章是付费的,我把原文粘贴,有兴趣的不妨看看。@幽香百合 也看看。
我把我认为是重点的部分用红体字表从来:
“Bombardier bets Learjets are the new Ski-Doos ”
When Bombardier Inc. first announced last month it might sell its transportation unit to focus on business jets, analysts knocked the strategy, arguing it would leave the company totally exposed to the highly cyclical aerospace industry.

There is dependable demand for Bombardier trains, argued the financial types. In contrast, is there anything more unpredictable than a billionaire’s appetite for the flying palace that is a new Learjet, Challenger or Global-branded luxury aircraft? Why sell trains to keep planes?

Anyone who follows family-controlled Bombardier’s history has heard this sort of criticism before. And they know the analysts can be dead wrong, while the heirs to the Montreal-based company’s founder, the Beaudoin clan, have got these calls right in the past (although not always - the massive cost overruns on the commercial C Series airliner being a notable example). However, Bombardier’s decision to sell its transport division to France’s Alstom on Monday for US$8.2-billion and focus on the aviation business is in keeping a recipe that has worked for the company in the past.

Back in 2003, the Street was giving Bombardier grief over the capital and management time devoted to what seemed like the ultimate in discretionary products: Ski-Doos and Sea-Doos. In response, the Beaudoin family, which controls Bombardier through a dual share structure, spun out the recreational vehicle division and its supposedly cyclical results to focus on just two divisions, trains and planes.

Getting rid of Ski-Doos is sort of the sensible strategy taught in Harvard Business School. Can’t you hear a professor explaining dabbling in luxury goods is to be avoided, while an enterprise that generates dependable cash flow from a single business, such as making trains, is to be embraced?

How did the Ski-Doo spin work out? Well, the Beaudoin clan and private equity firm Bain Capital bought the division for $1.23-billion 17 years ago. They rolled out new product lines, including three-wheeled motorbikes called Spyders, and shifted manufacturing to Mexico. In 2013, the recreational vehicle maker went public as BRP Inc.

While the stock price bounced around over the past seven years, reflecting shifts in consumer spending, BRP shares are up threefold since the initial public offering, making this a huge win for investors. BRP now sports a market capitalization of $6.7-billion; the company is 50 per cent more valuable than Bombardier. Which tells you the Beaudoin offspring, and the managers they hire, know something about selling expensive toys to wealthy customers.


Can Bombardier chief executive Alain Bellemare replicate the success of BRP? That’s certainly the goal. Mr. Bellemare is an aerospace veteran. He was hired in 2015 to oversee a turnaround. The job featured two major challenges: Paying down debt that ran to more than US$9-billion and focusing Bombardier on what it does best. Both problems may have finally been solved by the Alstom deal.
Going forward, Bombardier will be a business jet maker with an industry-leading US$14.4-billion backlog of orders. The company will introduce new products, in the form of larger planes with greater range. Mr. Bellemare will expand a servicing business that kicks off dependable cash flow by keeping a fleet of more than 4,800 existing Bombardier jets in the air.

Alstom, on the other hand, will shoulder responsibility for fixing a trains business that has been plagued by cost overruns and missed deadlines in recent years. The headaches that come with dealing with a Bombardier factory in Thunder Bay that laid off 550 employees in November – half its work force – are now a Paris-based CEO’s problem.

The path forward won’t be easy. Mr. Bellemare may need to do one more significant deal to pay down more of Bombardier’s US$2.5-billion remaining debt, such as landing in an investment from a private equity fund. He must deal with competitors such as Gulfstream and Cessna that are part of larger aerospace conglomerates. When the next economic downturn comes, as it surely will, Bombardier’s faith in demand for corporate jets will be tested.

However, on Monday, Mr. Bellemare finally shed the bulk of the debt left over from the company’s ill-fated foray into commercial aircraft manufacturing. The Alstom deal signals that five years after he arrived, Mr. Bellemare has determined that going forward, this company makes business jets, and that’s it. For Bombardier, the runway is finally clear.


Long Vacation : 2020-02-18#35
政府考虑的是就业,
很多中年老年人,职业生涯已经过去一大半,怎么转型?
他们抚养的孩子可以去滑铁卢,念IT,找新兴行业。
救老就是救小。

hkkuo33 : 2020-02-18#36
相比之下,我的投资过于激进或者过于冒险了,去年赚的钱全亏在大麻股上了,还倒贴不少,痛定思痛,要向你学习保守投资。
我也同样套牢在大麻股上了。感觉还有机会。

哈法 : 2020-02-18#37
从上面的文章可以看出:在2003年时(当时庞巴迪的股价,已由最高峰时的26元左右,大幅下跌到4元左右),庞巴迪家族不仅没有想办法去挽救公司,反而分拆了一些生意,并组成了一家名为BRP Inc,并与私人投资公司以12.3亿买了这家公司。在2013年把BRP Inc 上市,现在市值66亿,几乎是庞巴迪的一倍!

多元化的公司,在有需要时,是会分拆的,目的有两个:
1,因为被分拆的,需要不断的持续的资本投资,但这种投资的效果并不明朗,并会有居大的风险,对母公司不仅没有带来利润,甚至有可能拖累母公司。最明显的例子就是BCE 在2000年分拆Nortel(北电),2009年Nortel宣告破产。可见BCE 当年的分拆是多么的正确,否则的话,BCE有可能被Nortel拖垮。

2,因为母公司的业务过于庞大,分拆出去,便于管理,而且更能体现被分拆的价值,同时母公司仍然持有分拆公司的控制权,这些分公司的利润照母公司控制权的比例,分给母公司。最明显的例子是Power Corporation of Canada (我持有它的股票),属下有Great-West Lifeco Inc, Power Financial Corporation 和IGM Financial Inc。

然而庞巴迪家族却是不理母公司的死活,不理股东的利益,只顾着自己家族的利益,简直是混蛋家族!

AZURR : 2020-02-18#38
我也同样套牢在大麻股上了。感觉还有机会。
Aurora Cannabis Inc
TSE: ACB
似乎是触底反弹了。
2.18 CAD +0.12 (5.83%)

周雅 : 2020-02-18#39
从上面的文章可以看出:在2003年时(当时庞巴迪的股价,已由最高峰时的26元左右,大幅下跌到4元左右),庞巴迪家族不仅没有想办法去挽救公司,反而分拆了一些生意,并组成了一家名为BRP Inc,并与私人投资公司以12.3亿买了这家公司。在2013年把BRP Inc 上市,现在市值66亿,几乎是庞巴迪的一倍!

多元化的公司,在有需要时,是会分拆的,目的有两个:
1,因为被分拆的,需要不断的持续的资本投资,但这种投资的效果并不明朗,并会有居大的风险,对母公司不仅没有带来利润,甚至有可能拖累母公司。最明显的例子就是BCE 在2000年分拆Nortel(北电),2009年Nortel宣告破产。可见BCE 当年的分拆是多么的正确,否则的话,BCE有可能被Nortel拖垮。

2,因为母公司的业务过于庞大,分拆出去,便于管理,而且更能体现被分拆的价值,同时母公司仍然持有分拆公司的控制权,这些分公司的利润照母公司控制权的比例,分给母公司。最明显的例子是Power Corporation of Canada (我持有它的股票),属下有Great-West Lifeco Inc, Power Financial Corporation 和IGM Financial Inc。

然而庞巴迪家族却是不理母公司的死活,不理股东的利益,只顾着自己家族的利益,简直是混蛋家族!
这个Power Corporation of Canada 有点意思,Great-West Lifeco Inc不是上市公司吗?我们公司的保险就是在他家买的。

哈法 : 2020-02-18#40
这个Power Corporation of Canada 有点意思,Great-West Lifeco Inc不是上市公司吗?我们公司的保险就是在他家买的。
Great-West Lifeco Inc是上市公司。Power Corporation of Canada前些日子以1.05股Power Corporation of Canada 换一股Power Financial Corporation(是上市公司)再加上每股0.01现金,全部买回除了Power Corporation of Canada所持有的Power Financial Corporation之外的股票。

哈法 : 2020-02-18#41
环球邮报的另一篇文章:
The dismantling of Bombardier leaves Canadian taxpayers holding the bag
When Bombardier Inc.’s obituary is eventually written, at some still-to-be determined date in the future, it will identify the spring of 1982 as the moment when a fledgling Montreal-based transportation upstart joined the big leagues.

That was when the Metropolitan Transportation Authority chose the Canadian interloper over U.S.-based Budd Co. for a $1-billion contract to build subway cars for New York, in what was then the largest transit deal ever signed in the United States.

“When you get a big contract like this, your international reputation for this kind of equipment is enhanced immeasurably,” one stock analyst said then. “This should lead to other business.”

Did it ever. And, at every step along the way, Bombardier could count on having Canadian governments of all stripes on its side. The New York deal itself had been greased by a US$563-million loan from the federally owned Export Development Corp.

Under the leadership of Laurent Beaudoin, an accountant who married the boss’s daughter, Bombardier quickly rose from its rural Quebec roots as a maker of Ski-Doos to become one of the world’s largest manufacturers of transit equipment. In 1986, it moved into the aerospace business with a deal to take Canadair off the federal government’s hands. It soon revolutionized air travel with the development of the Canadair Regional Jet.

And it couldn’t have done it without the help of the Canadian taxpayer.

Bombardier has maintained a co-dependent relationship with Canadian and Quebec politicians, one that withstood the ups and downs of the business cycle for four decades. As recently as 2017, Ottawa provided $372-million in the form of a “repayable contribution” to fund Bombardier’s Global 7000 business-jet program and 100- to 150-seat C Series jet. Each time governments forked out cash, they’ve insisted Bombardier was a good bet.

“We have a proud and long-standing relationship with Bombardier and today is another milestone,” Innovation Minister Navdeep Bains said in announcing the 2017 loan. “I believe Bombardier is indeed back.”

That was just after the Quebec government had invested US$1-billion in the C Series program, which had been running behind schedule and overbudget for several years.

On Monday, however, Bombardier chief executive officer Alain Bellemare instead told Radio-Canada that the US$1-billion injection from the Quebec government had been “a bridge toward a partnership with a big player.” In other words, Bombardier wasn’t “back” as Mr. Bains suggested. It was merely buying itself enough time to do a deal with French-based Airbus SA, under which it ceded control of the C Series to the “big player” for a symbolic US$1 in 2017.

Last week, Bombardier sold off its remaining 34-per-cent stake in the C Series program to Airbus, which will now reap any dividends from a plane financed partly by Canadian taxpayers. The Quebec government – which now values its initial investment, worth $1.3-billon, at only $700-million – retains a 25-per-cent stake in the C Series program. But Airbus, which has the right to buy out Quebec’s stake in 2026, last week told French analysts that it does not expect the C Series to be profitable until the middle of the decade at the earliest.

It remains uncertain, then, whether Canadian taxpayers will see any payback. As Leeham News aviation analyst Bjorn Fehrm wrote last week: “The stakes are high in the civil airliner business. Don’t enter it unless you have the depth of pocket to see it through to profitability.”

For now, Airbus will continue to assemble the C Series – renamed the A220 – in Quebec. But it has made only a verbal undertaking. Airbus already has a plant in Alabama that assembles A220s for the U.S. market, as part of a strategy aimed at averting potential American trade barriers. Airbus could eventually transfer more production of the A220 to Alabama.

Meanwhile, Bombardier’s rail unit, whose sale to French-based Alstom SA was announced on Monday, has suffered from a string of poorly executed contracts. New York City comptroller Scott Stringer recently complained that “Bombardier sold us lemons” in the form of defective subway cars that the MTA was last month forced to pull from service.

It was a sad statement on the decline of a company that had cut its teeth on a massive MTA contract in the 1980s. If that deal “immeasurably enhanced” Bombardier’s international reputation, its most recent MTA contract may have irreversibly killed it.

Mr. Bellemare, who was hired in 2015 with what was believed to have been a mandate to save Bombardier, has effectively presided over its dismantling.

Shareholders and taxpayers are now being told that Bombardier’s future lies in building business jets. Yet, corporate aircraft is a highly cyclical luxury sector. Bombardier’s business jet division took years to recover after the 2009 recession, while the company lost US$2.6-billion on its Learjet 85 program, which it abandoned in 2015.

What’s more, Bombardier’s main competitors in the corporate jet sector are all owned by or partnered with bigger players with defence divisions that help bear the burden of technology development and ride out cyclical downturns. General Dynamics owns Gulfstream and Textron owns Cessna, while Brazil’s Embraer has partnered with Boeing.

It may still be too soon to sign Bombardier’s death notice. But the obituary writers should keep their pens handy.

庞巴迪家族多年来不只是坑股东,也坑纳税人。政府用10亿纳税人的钱去投资在庞巴迪,以为可以挽救庞巴迪,然而庞巴迪却用这笔钱去拖延时间。当年政府一共用了13亿纳税人的钱,现在只值7亿,而且在不久的将来,这7亿也将一无所有。庞巴迪这种垃圾公司,就应该让它破产,不要再坑纳税人的钱。


幽香百合 : 2020-02-18#42
你这个问题,我还真没办法答复你。

但因为庞巴迪庞大的defined benefit plan的负债(12亿)和公司的业务持续的走下坡,如果是退休人员或是将要退休的话,就要认真的考虑庞巴迪的退休金的问题了。假设很不幸,庞巴迪最后重组,甚至申请破产保护令,庞巴迪的退休金和包括多年来的供款,就会变成一无所有,就像以前的北电和Sears。

我也试过买的股票,因为所谓的Value Trap,而有较大的损失,在这种情况下,我只能卖了。
谢谢

加华民 : 2020-02-18#43
加国本土的企业还是缺乏进取心
不是破产就是被美国及其他国家的企业收购兼并。

Happylife2018 : 2020-04-04#44
请问一下各位,加拿大股市有没有规定,长于一定时间一直都保持在一刀以下股价的公司,会被强制退市,谢谢

AZURR : 2020-04-04#45
请问一下各位,加拿大股市有没有规定,长于一定时间一直都保持在一刀以下股价的公司,会被强制退市,谢谢
他们会缩股应对。

哈法 : 2020-04-04#46
他们会缩股应对。
你的意思是合并股份?比如说10股变1股?

哈法 : 2020-04-04#47
请问一下各位,加拿大股市有没有规定,长于一定时间一直都保持在一刀以下股价的公司,会被强制退市,谢谢
没听说过。有一种可能是不符合多伦多股票交易所的规定,不让它在多伦多股票交易所交易,而让它在多伦多创业股票交易所交易。方便说是那家公司的股票吗?我可以帮你查查。

Happylife2018 : 2020-04-04#48
没听说过。有一种可能是不符合多伦多股票交易所的规定,不让它在多伦多股票交易所交易,而让它在温哥华股票交易所交易。方便说是那家公司的股票吗?我可以帮你查查。
ACST

Happylife2018 : 2020-04-04#49
他们会缩股应对。
缩股后让他的股价升高?对投资者有什么影响呢?谢谢

哈法 : 2020-04-04#50
是不是这个?是在多伦多创业股票交易所交易(TSXV)

哈法 : 2020-04-04#51
缩股后让他的股价升高?对投资者有什么影响呢?谢谢
从投资的角度看,对投资者没有任何影响,唯一有区别的是股票数量少了。

AZURR : 2020-04-04#52
从投资的角度看,对投资者没有任何影响,唯一有区别的是股票数量少了。
开始玩缩股了,能逃就逃。PINK 市场的监管跟主板不一样,就是风投。

Happylife2018 : 2020-04-05#53
是不是这个?是在多伦多创业股票交易所交易(TSXV)
对的,就是这个

cbtian : 2021-10-02#54
不知楼主对现在的庞巴迪怎么看??

哈法 : 2021-10-02#55
不知楼主对现在的庞巴迪怎么看??
被我判了”死刑”的股票,我不会再去浪費時間关注了。