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美国国立卫生研究院院长柯林斯Francis Collins:新冠肺炎病毒源于自然

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/899156/

alarter2020 : 2020-03-27#1
摘要:
美国国立卫生研究院院长柯林斯:新冠肺炎病毒源于自然

  当地时间3月26日,美国国立卫生研究院院长弗朗西斯·柯林斯(Francis Collins)发表名为《基因研究显示 新冠肺炎病毒起源于自然》博客文章,援引并力挺了美国国立卫生研究院支持的国际研究小组在对比几种冠状病毒(包括引起COVID-19的新型冠状病毒)的公开基因组数据后得出的结论:该病毒是自然产生的。

  文章开篇写到:“如今你无论在哪打开互联网,都必然会看到谈及2019年末开始流行的新冠肺炎病毒的文章。而关于该病毒的谣言和揣测似乎比该病毒本身还要传播得快、传播得广。许多不怀好意的人曾经提出过令人愤慨的说法,即引起大流行的新冠病毒是由实验室设计完成的,而后故意被释放出来,使世界各地的人民染病。幸运的是,一项最新的关于新冠病毒的研究证明了该病毒是自然产生的,从而以科学的证据打破了这种说法。”

  柯林斯在博客中重点指出了加州拉霍亚斯克里普斯研究所的克里斯蒂安·安德森、新奥尔良杜兰大学医学院罗伯特·加里,及他们的同事等人的一个发现:

  “ SARS-CoV-2刺突蛋白与人体细胞ACE2受体的结合水平要远远强于目前所有计算机预测的模型,这一结果的原因可能是因为病毒在ACE2的定向选择之下不断进化,直到具有了超强的结合能力。”“也就是说SARS-CoV-2大概率只能靠自己的努力来进化出感染人类的能力,人类现有的水平造不出那么异于模型的刺突蛋白。”

  而对于新冠肺炎病毒的来源,柯林斯提出了两种构想:

  第一种构想是,随着新的冠状病毒在其天然宿主(可能是蝙蝠或穿山甲)中不断进化,其刺突蛋白也随之发生突变,以此来结合与人体中与ACE2蛋白结构相似的分子并感染人体细胞。

  第二种情况是,这种新型冠状病毒在获得能够引发人类疾病的能力之前,就已经从动物进入到人类。经过数年甚至数十年的逐步进化之后,它们最终获得了在人与人之间传播的能力,并可以导致严重疾病。

  与此同时,身为资深遗传学家的柯林斯也强调:任何试图打造冠状病毒武器的生物工程师都不可能设计出刺突蛋白的构象像SARS-CoV-2这样(奇特)的病毒。同时,他表示,该研究的发现得以让世界人民共同专注于眼下最重要的事情:保持良好的卫生习惯、遵守一定的社交距离、不信谣、不传谣、尊重医护人员和医学研究员的抗疫决心和他们在此过程中的不懈努力。

  在文章的最后,他提出:“下次当您在网络上因为有关新冠肺炎病毒的信息而感到困惑和迷茫时,我建议您访问FEMA的“抵制新冠谣言”的官方网站。也许它不能完全解决您所有的问题,但这绝对是朝着正确方向迈进的第一步,也是至关重要的一步。它能够用专业的信息将谣言和事实区分开来,以此集结世界的力量来一同应对此次全球公共卫生突发事件”。

  弗朗西斯·柯林斯就职美国国立卫生研究院院长已经10年,在成为院长前,他就已经领导并顺利完成了庞大的人类基因组计划,被称为“史上最有影响力NIH院长之一”。而此次发表这篇博客亲自上场肃清谣言,也得到了诸多的认可。

 

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Genomic Study Points to Natural Origin of COVID-19


Posted on March 26th, 2020 by Dr. Francis Collins





No matter where you go online these days, there’s bound to be discussion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Some folks are even making outrageous claims that the new coronavirus causing the pandemic was engineered in a lab and deliberately released to make people sick. A new study debunks such claims by providing scientific evidence that this novel coronavirus arose naturally.


The reassuring findings are the result of genomic analyses conducted by an international research team, partly supported by NIH. In their study in the journal Nature Medicine, Kristian Andersen, Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, CA; Robert Garry, Tulane University School of Medicine, New Orleans; and their colleagues used sophisticated bioinformatic tools to compare publicly available genomic data from several coronaviruses, including the new one that causes COVID-19.


The researchers began by homing in on the parts of the coronavirus genomes that encode the spike proteins that give this family of viruses their distinctive crown-like appearance. (By the way, “corona” is Latin for “crown.”) All coronaviruses rely on spike proteins to infect other cells. But, over time, each coronavirus has fashioned these proteins a little differently, and the evolutionary clues about these modifications are spelled out in their genomes.


The genomic data of the new coronavirus responsible for COVID-19 show that its spike protein contains some unique adaptations. One of these adaptations provides special ability of this coronavirus to bind to a specific protein on human cells called angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE2). A related coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in humans also seeks out ACE2.


Existing computer models predicted that the new coronavirus would not bind to ACE2 as well as the SARS virus. However, to their surprise, the researchers found that the spike protein of the new coronavirus actually bound far better than computer predictions, likely because of natural selection on ACE2 that enabled the virus to take advantage of a previously unidentified alternate binding site. Researchers said this provides strong evidence that that new virus was not the product of purposeful manipulation in a lab. In fact, any bioengineer trying to design a coronavirus that threatened human health probably would never have chosen this particular conformation for a spike protein.


The researchers went on to analyze genomic data related to the overall molecular structure, or backbone, of the new coronavirus. Their analysis showed that the backbone of the new coronavirus’s genome most closely resembles that of a bat coronavirus discovered after the COVID-19 pandemic began. However, the region that binds ACE2 resembles a novel virus found in pangolins, a strange-looking animal sometimes called a scaly anteater. This provides additional evidence that the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 almost certainly originated in nature. If the new coronavirus had been manufactured in a lab, scientists most likely would have used the backbones of coronaviruses already known to cause serious diseases in humans.


So, what is the natural origin of the novel coronavirus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic? The researchers don’t yet have a precise answer. But they do offer two possible scenarios.


In the first scenario, as the new coronavirus evolved in its natural hosts, possibly bats or pangolins, its spike proteins mutated to bind to molecules similar in structure to the human ACE2 protein, thereby enabling it to infect human cells. This scenario seems to fit other recent outbreaks of coronavirus-caused disease in humans, such as SARS, which arose from cat-like civets; and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), which arose from camels.


The second scenario is that the new coronavirus crossed from animals into humans before it became capable of causing human disease. Then, as a result of gradual evolutionary changes over years or perhaps decades, the virus eventually gained the ability to spread from human-to-human and cause serious, often life-threatening disease.


Either way, this study leaves little room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19. And that’s a good thing because it helps us keep focused on what really matters: observing good hygiene, practicing social distancing, and supporting the efforts of all the dedicated health-care professionals and researchers who are working so hard to address this major public health challenge.


Finally, next time you come across something about COVID-19 online that disturbs or puzzles you, I suggest going to FEMA’s new Coronavirus Rumor Control web site. It may not have all the answers to your questions, but it’s definitely a step in the right direction in helping to distinguish rumors from facts.


Reference:
[1] The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 . Andersen KG, Rambaut A, Lipkin WI, Holmes EC, Garry RF. Nat Med, 17 March 2020. [Epub ahead of publication]


Links:


Coronavirus (COVID-19) (NIH)


COVID-19, MERS & SARS (National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases/NIH)


Andersen Lab (Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, CA)


Robert Garry (Tulane University School of Medicine, New Orleans)


Coronavirus Rumor Control (FEMA)


NIH Support: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases; National Human Genome Research Institute


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南望王师 : 2020-03-27#2
这个事情没完,现在自然产生说和P4实验室泄露说听起来都很有道理,希望能尽快查明真相,或者希望中共内部能有知情人向美国投诚

kwjnx : 2020-03-28#3
这个事情没完,现在自然产生说和P4实验室泄露说听起来都很有道理,希望能尽快查明真相,或者希望中共内部能有知情人向美国投诚

你的大腦只有聽說書的智商,
看這種科學研究類的不行,
看英文的就更沒戲了。

小小喇叭 : 2020-03-28#4
看到有人问,美国航空母舰上的病毒是哪里来的?因为这个舰早就在海上了。

我觉得这个问题现在掺入太多政治,它应该是一个科学问题,由专家去研究,大众不知道怎么回事,还是不要掺和,专心抗疫吧。

乐土乐土缘得我所 : 2020-03-28#5
人们只是接送自己认为对的答案。

confiture : 2020-03-28#6
按照坛子里某些人的说法,这位科学家也被中国收买了:sick:

gigi_co : 2020-03-28#7
按照坛子里某些人的说法,这位科学家也被中国收买了:sick:
这只是目前一家之言,前一段时间中国国内科研人员还有发表文章说是人工合成呢,很快被禁言了。而欧美是自由发文来评论该病毒。当疫情过后,需要全面研就或者调查,总结,反思。

confiture : 2020-03-28#8
这只是目前一家之言,前一段时间中国国内科研人员还有发表文章说是人工合成呢,很快被禁言了。而欧美是自由发文来评论该病毒。当疫情过后,需要全面研就或者调查,总结,反思。
科学界认为新冠病毒不是人公合成的才是主流,很多科学家已经根据科研得出了这个结论,认为新冠病毒人工合成的才是一家之言。

alarter2020 : 2020-03-28#9
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gigi_co : 2020-03-28#10
科学界认为新冠病毒不是人公合成的才是主流,很多科学家已经根据科研得出了这个结论,认为新冠病毒人工合成的才是一家之言。
都有支持者!

confiture : 2020-03-28#11
都有支持者!
是的,区别在于数量和论据不成比例

alarter2020 : 2020-03-28#12
08-45-29-large.jpg

gigi_co : 2020-03-28#13
是的,区别在于数量和论据不成比例
我的意思是都有一定数量

confiture : 2020-03-28#14
我的意思是都有一定数量
从我了解的论文数量和质量来看,认为新冠病毒是人工合成的可以忽略不计。不如你把你掌握的支持人工合成说的论文罗列一下?

gigi_co : 2020-03-28#15
从我了解的论文数量和质量来看,认为新冠病毒是人工合成的可以忽略不计。不如你把你掌握的支持人工合成说的论文罗列一下?
查看视频

confiture : 2020-03-28#16
查看视频
视频可以代替论文?呵呵。

sabre : 2020-03-28#17
摘要:
美国国立卫生研究院院长柯林斯:新冠肺炎病毒源于自然

  当地时间3月26日,美国国立卫生研究院院长弗朗西斯·柯林斯(Francis Collins)发表名为《基因研究显示 新冠肺炎病毒起源于自然》博客文章,援引并力挺了美国国立卫生研究院支持的国际研究小组在对比几种冠状病毒(包括引起COVID-19的新型冠状病毒)的公开基因组数据后得出的结论:该病毒是自然产生的。

  文章开篇写到:“如今你无论在哪打开互联网,都必然会看到谈及2019年末开始流行的新冠肺炎病毒的文章。而关于该病毒的谣言和揣测似乎比该病毒本身还要传播得快、传播得广。许多不怀好意的人曾经提出过令人愤慨的说法,即引起大流行的新冠病毒是由实验室设计完成的,而后故意被释放出来,使世界各地的人民染病。幸运的是,一项最新的关于新冠病毒的研究证明了该病毒是自然产生的,从而以科学的证据打破了这种说法。”

  柯林斯在博客中重点指出了加州拉霍亚斯克里普斯研究所的克里斯蒂安·安德森、新奥尔良杜兰大学医学院罗伯特·加里,及他们的同事等人的一个发现:

  “ SARS-CoV-2刺突蛋白与人体细胞ACE2受体的结合水平要远远强于目前所有计算机预测的模型,这一结果的原因可能是因为病毒在ACE2的定向选择之下不断进化,直到具有了超强的结合能力。”“也就是说SARS-CoV-2大概率只能靠自己的努力来进化出感染人类的能力,人类现有的水平造不出那么异于模型的刺突蛋白。”

  而对于新冠肺炎病毒的来源,柯林斯提出了两种构想:

  第一种构想是,随着新的冠状病毒在其天然宿主(可能是蝙蝠或穿山甲)中不断进化,其刺突蛋白也随之发生突变,以此来结合与人体中与ACE2蛋白结构相似的分子并感染人体细胞。

  第二种情况是,这种新型冠状病毒在获得能够引发人类疾病的能力之前,就已经从动物进入到人类。经过数年甚至数十年的逐步进化之后,它们最终获得了在人与人之间传播的能力,并可以导致严重疾病。

  与此同时,身为资深遗传学家的柯林斯也强调:任何试图打造冠状病毒武器的生物工程师都不可能设计出刺突蛋白的构象像SARS-CoV-2这样(奇特)的病毒。同时,他表示,该研究的发现得以让世界人民共同专注于眼下最重要的事情:保持良好的卫生习惯、遵守一定的社交距离、不信谣、不传谣、尊重医护人员和医学研究员的抗疫决心和他们在此过程中的不懈努力。

  在文章的最后,他提出:“下次当您在网络上因为有关新冠肺炎病毒的信息而感到困惑和迷茫时,我建议您访问FEMA的“抵制新冠谣言”的官方网站。也许它不能完全解决您所有的问题,但这绝对是朝着正确方向迈进的第一步,也是至关重要的一步。它能够用专业的信息将谣言和事实区分开来,以此集结世界的力量来一同应对此次全球公共卫生突发事件”。

  弗朗西斯·柯林斯就职美国国立卫生研究院院长已经10年,在成为院长前,他就已经领导并顺利完成了庞大的人类基因组计划,被称为“史上最有影响力NIH院长之一”。而此次发表这篇博客亲自上场肃清谣言,也得到了诸多的认可。

 




Genomic Study Points to Natural Origin of COVID-19


Posted on March 26th, 2020 by Dr. Francis Collins





No matter where you go online these days, there’s bound to be discussion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Some folks are even making outrageous claims that the new coronavirus causing the pandemic was engineered in a lab and deliberately released to make people sick. A new study debunks such claims by providing scientific evidence that this novel coronavirus arose naturally.


The reassuring findings are the result of genomic analyses conducted by an international research team, partly supported by NIH. In their study in the journal Nature Medicine, Kristian Andersen, Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, CA; Robert Garry, Tulane University School of Medicine, New Orleans; and their colleagues used sophisticated bioinformatic tools to compare publicly available genomic data from several coronaviruses, including the new one that causes COVID-19.


The researchers began by homing in on the parts of the coronavirus genomes that encode the spike proteins that give this family of viruses their distinctive crown-like appearance. (By the way, “corona” is Latin for “crown.”) All coronaviruses rely on spike proteins to infect other cells. But, over time, each coronavirus has fashioned these proteins a little differently, and the evolutionary clues about these modifications are spelled out in their genomes.


The genomic data of the new coronavirus responsible for COVID-19 show that its spike protein contains some unique adaptations. One of these adaptations provides special ability of this coronavirus to bind to a specific protein on human cells called angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE2). A related coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in humans also seeks out ACE2.


Existing computer models predicted that the new coronavirus would not bind to ACE2 as well as the SARS virus. However, to their surprise, the researchers found that the spike protein of the new coronavirus actually bound far better than computer predictions, likely because of natural selection on ACE2 that enabled the virus to take advantage of a previously unidentified alternate binding site. Researchers said this provides strong evidence that that new virus was not the product of purposeful manipulation in a lab. In fact, any bioengineer trying to design a coronavirus that threatened human health probably would never have chosen this particular conformation for a spike protein.


The researchers went on to analyze genomic data related to the overall molecular structure, or backbone, of the new coronavirus. Their analysis showed that the backbone of the new coronavirus’s genome most closely resembles that of a bat coronavirus discovered after the COVID-19 pandemic began. However, the region that binds ACE2 resembles a novel virus found in pangolins, a strange-looking animal sometimes called a scaly anteater. This provides additional evidence that the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 almost certainly originated in nature. If the new coronavirus had been manufactured in a lab, scientists most likely would have used the backbones of coronaviruses already known to cause serious diseases in humans.


So, what is the natural origin of the novel coronavirus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic? The researchers don’t yet have a precise answer. But they do offer two possible scenarios.


In the first scenario, as the new coronavirus evolved in its natural hosts, possibly bats or pangolins, its spike proteins mutated to bind to molecules similar in structure to the human ACE2 protein, thereby enabling it to infect human cells. This scenario seems to fit other recent outbreaks of coronavirus-caused disease in humans, such as SARS, which arose from cat-like civets; and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), which arose from camels.


The second scenario is that the new coronavirus crossed from animals into humans before it became capable of causing human disease. Then, as a result of gradual evolutionary changes over years or perhaps decades, the virus eventually gained the ability to spread from human-to-human and cause serious, often life-threatening disease.


Either way, this study leaves little room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19. And that’s a good thing because it helps us keep focused on what really matters: observing good hygiene, practicing social distancing, and supporting the efforts of all the dedicated health-care professionals and researchers who are working so hard to address this major public health challenge.


Finally, next time you come across something about COVID-19 online that disturbs or puzzles you, I suggest going to FEMA’s new Coronavirus Rumor Control web site. It may not have all the answers to your questions, but it’s definitely a step in the right direction in helping to distinguish rumors from facts.


Reference:
[1] The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 . Andersen KG, Rambaut A, Lipkin WI, Holmes EC, Garry RF. Nat Med, 17 March 2020. [Epub ahead of publication]


Links:


Coronavirus (COVID-19) (NIH)


COVID-19, MERS & SARS (National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases/NIH)


Andersen Lab (Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, CA)


Robert Garry (Tulane University School of Medicine, New Orleans)


Coronavirus Rumor Control (FEMA)


NIH Support: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases; National Human Genome Research Institute


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gigi_co : 2020-03-28#18
视频可以代替论文?呵呵。
有很多研究人员不一定发文章,但可以提出自己的观点,所以内容五花八门。不区分故意还是无意投毒,总结一下:
自然派-起源于中国,美国,意大利,俄罗斯etc。
合成派-中国,美国,俄罗斯etc的生化武器-尤其是在武汉P4实验室,为何让生化武器少将专家陈薇接管P4是值得怀疑的。
中间派-天外飞石。
外星人派-外星人投毒给地球人,引起灭绝或者挑起地球人之间的战争-目前不是很像WW3?

最后可能甩锅给外星人/天外陨石,反正他们不会出来不反驳!呵呵!

confiture : 2020-03-28#19
有很多研究人员不一定发文章,但可以提出自己的观点,所以内容五花八门。不区分故意还是无意投毒,总结一下:
自然派-起源于中国,美国,意大利,俄罗斯etc。
合成派-中国,美国,俄罗斯etc的生化武器-尤其是在武汉P4实验室,为何让生化武器少将专家陈薇接管P4是值得怀疑的。
中间派-天外飞石。
外星人派-外星人投毒给地球人,引起灭绝或者挑起地球人之间的战争-目前不是很像WW3?

最后可能甩锅给外星人/天外陨石,反正他们不会出来不反驳!呵呵!
所以你的资料来源就是新闻和视频

gigi_co : 2020-03-28#20
所以你的资料来源就是新闻和视频
视频里面也有文章引用,有讨论,有分析!当然还有paper,采访,官方发言等等

confiture : 2020-03-28#21
视频里面也有文章引用,有讨论,有分析!当然还有paper,采访,官方发言等等
请了解一下什么叫第一手资料、第二手资料和第三手资料。

gigi_co : 2020-03-28#22
请了解一下什么叫第一手资料、第二手资料和第三手资料。
我的意思说都有!

confiture : 2020-03-28#23
我的意思说都有!
呵呵,严谨的结论只来自于第一手或者第二手资料,而你刚开始列举的都是第三手资料。如果你知道资料之间的差别,你不会一上来用视频这种第三手或者连第三手资料的都不算的“论据”。

所以现在又回到我前面说过的,支持新冠人工合成的论文有哪些?

gigi_co : 2020-03-28#24
呵呵,严谨的结论只来自于第一手或者第二手资料,而你刚开始列举的都是第三手资料。如果你知道资料之间的差别,你不会一上来用视频这种第三手或者连第三手资料的都不算的“论据”。

所以现在又回到我前面说过的,支持新冠人工合成的论文有哪些?
自己查,相信疫情过后会有许多paper讨论!

confiture : 2020-03-28#25
自己查,相信疫情过后会有许多paper讨论!
哈哈,也就是说你拿不出第二手以上的资料。可怜。

gigi_co : 2020-03-28#26
哈哈,也就是说你拿不出第二手以上的资料。可怜。
人家视频里都有paper引用,还有国家对武汉P4实验室的行动-让许多任何有点头脑的人都会怀疑,你怎么故意忽视呢?

confiture : 2020-03-28#27
人家视频里都有paper引用,还有国家对武汉P4实验室的行动-让许多任何有点头脑的人都会怀疑,你怎么故意忽视呢?
很显然,你还是不了解怎么去读资料。视频里有论文引用,那么你看过了吗?论文的原意是否和第三手资料作者的意见一致?第三手资料最大的问题就是它可能夹带私货,是作者消化过的。

你连引用的“论文”都没看过就直接认同了视频作者的意见,说明你根本没有解读学术资料的基本能力。你只不过是个被人误导还自以为掌握了真理的可怜虫罢了。

gigi_co : 2020-03-28#28
很显然,你还是不了解怎么去读资料。视频里有论文引用,那么你看过了吗?论文的原意是否和第三手资料作者的意见一致?第三手资料最大的问题就是它可能夹带私货,是作者消化过的。

你连引用的“论文”都没看过就直接认同了视频作者的意见,说明你根本没有解读学术资料的基本能力。你只不过是个被人误导还自以为掌握了真理的可怜虫罢了。
你至高无上,掌握真理,就不被一手和二手资料带入沟里!

pavo : 2020-03-28#29
很显然,你还是不了解怎么去读资料。视频里有论文引用,那么你看过了吗?论文的原意是否和第三手资料作者的意见一致?第三手资料最大的问题就是它可能夹带私货,是作者消化过的。

你连引用的“论文”都没看过就直接认同了视频作者的意见,说明你根本没有解读学术资料的基本能力。你只不过是个被人误导还自以为掌握了真理的可怜虫罢了。
你至高无上,掌握真理,就不被一手和二手资料带入沟里!
明白了,都是沟。熊猫被一手资料和二手资料带入沟里了,你被三手或四手资料带入沟里了。

gigi_co : 2020-03-28#30
明白了,都是沟。熊猫被一手资料和二手资料带入沟里了,你被三手或四手资料带入沟里了。
目前都在争论,没有真相!

bear88 : 2020-03-28#31
无论这病毒是否来自自然我都不相信它是来自美国或中国的。

ccyyyycc : 2020-03-28#32
这篇和我的猜想差不多,这病毒早就有了,就是没完成进化。所以现在爆出来之后一检查,好多人感染,但是轻症和重症天壤之别。

asania : 2020-03-28#33
如果真的是自然产生的,那简单多了,人类有希望了,可以期待疫情能像当年的SARS一样,在天气转暖的时候,突然消失。

Timmocha : 2020-03-29#34
这俩人吵啥呢?自然形成的病毒,就不可能被武汉病毒实验室收集培养,然后“意外”泄露了吗?这个病毒到底是不是人工合成,和武汉病毒所是否清白,根本就是两回事。

石正丽他们在武汉养病毒玩,拿人体细胞做感染实验,感染不了的还修改基因让病毒具备感染能力,这事论文库里面可查吧?虽说不一定和这次的病毒直接相关,但武汉病毒所的缺德事还是没少做吧?

袁隆平:还是吃的太饱了。

alarter2020 : 2020-03-29#35
关于武汉研究所病毒泄露的谣言最早源于BBC, 英国广播公司(BBC)于2020年1月发表了一篇有关冠状病毒来源的文章,而该文又援引了《华盛顿时报》(Washington Times) 1月24日的两篇文章称,该病毒是武汉病毒研究所(WIV)的一项中国生物武器计划的一部分。

但是《华盛顿邮报》(Washington Post)后来在1月29日发表一篇文章,揭露了上述的阴谋论,并引用了美国专家的解释,他解释了为什么WIV不适合进行生物武器研究,而且没有证据表明该病毒是基因工程的。(下面是该文的链接)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/01/29/experts-debunk-fringe-theory-linking-chinas-coronavirus-weapons-research/
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The Wuhan lab is well-known and it is relatively open compared with other Chinese institutes: It has strong ties to the Galveston National Laboratory at the University of Texas Medical Branch and was developed with the aid of French engineers.
武汉实验室是众所周知的,并且与其他中国机构相比相对开放:它与德克萨斯大学医学分校的加尔维斯顿国家实验室有着紧密的联系,并且是在法国工程师的帮助下开发的。
Wuhan Institute of Virology is a world-class research institution that does world-class research in virology and immunology
武汉病毒学研究所是世界一流的病毒学和免疫学研究机构。”

it was unlikely the Chinese government would use such a facility for production or even research and development of bioweapons.
中国政府不太可能将这种设施用于生产甚至研究和开发生物武器

格林尼治时间 : 2020-03-30#36
按照坛子里某些人的说法,这位科学家也被中国收买了:sick:
恰恰相反,按照国内论坛和微信群的爆炸信息,病毒是美军关闭的研究所搞的,这位科学家明显是被美国收买了:ROFLMAO::LOL:(n)

confiture : 2020-03-30#37
恰恰相反,按照国内论坛和微信群的爆炸信息,病毒是美军关闭的研究所搞的,这位科学家明显是被美国收买了:ROFLMAO::LOL:(n)
请看前一帖,谁先发出的阴毛论