eleclan : 2020-10-15#35
把公司内部邮件放上网讨论不妥 光这点 公司可以开除你的13 Oct.
Hi Dan8707,
Yesterday marks your 2 weeks absent for Quarantine. You did not show up to work today.
Are you Planning to come to work?
If not, please let me know as you mentioned that you might not come back, when I asked you if you want to work here or not?
Thank you.
XXXX （my boss）
Yes, XXXX
I said I love to work with the team here until I receive the same respect as everyone else. Any other position that I can work with? I am afraid I could not continue current job.
Thanks,
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707,
Thank you for bringing up your concerns. I don’t believe that you have ever complained about dis-respect.
In fact Jin (my colleague) Brought up Dis-respect when you shouted at her and Susi witnessed it.
I can organize a meeting with Ceria (HR) and myself to address this issue.
Currently I do not have any other opening for you to work.
If you don’t want to work in *****（ my company ), I will need an official resignation from you.
After receiving the resignation, you will have to drop off your id. Card and keys and we will process any owing.
Thank you
XXXX
HI XXXX,
Thanks, Firstly
1. AAA (one of our customer) ordered one bucket of Bean Chili, and one of Chickpea dow, but reported that two buckets of Bean Chili were received instead 3 days later.
The fourth day morning, you asked me ' why did I give them two buckets of Bean Chili' ?
Better ask instead ' AAA ordered Bean chili and chickpea dow but received two buckets of bean chili, may i know what's happening?'
2. I did not shout to anyone in the workplace. The truth was :
Someone came to the office and said,
'The office door was open last night.'
JIn asked me, ' Dan8707, did you close the door last night?
I said, ' Yes, I close'. I spoke with a low voice.
That man said again, he was working night-shift, the door was open when he was at the office about 9:30 pm.
Jin asked me again,
I repeated: ' Yes, The Door Was Close' . I spoke slowly and increased the voice a bit to make sure she could hear.
I have never been asked to tell the truth.
I will drop the key this week someday.
Regards,
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707,
Instead of discussing this over email, we can have a sit-down conversation.
And before you drop the keys, I do need an official resignation from you.
Thanks.
XXXX
Hi XXXX,
Thanks , I can come tomorrow 2:00pm or join a conference call, if you prefer.
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707 and XXXX
I’ll be sending a webex cisco link for 2pm in a few minutes. It will be sent from LT (HR assistant) as I will be using her account. Please let me know if you do not receive it.
Ceria
14 Oct
Hi Dan8707,
We’re just on the call now. Are you having issues joining?
Ceria
Hi Ceria,
Sorry I did not receive any link for the conference call.
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707,
Perhaps it is better that we meet you in person during your next scheduled shift. I’ll let yourself and XXXX connect on that.
Ceria.
Hi Dan8707,
You are already in schedule and have been Absent since last Monday.
After missing the call, I actually thought that you abandon the job as you didn’t show up 3 consecutive days (MOnday is Thanksgiving)
Could you please confirm that you still want to work at ?
If yes, please come to work tomorrow at 10:00am and we will have a chat and add Ceria with conference call when She is available.
Please let me know your decision.
Thank you.
XXXX
同意你隔离十四天公司应该都知道吧？第十五天没去上班你应该先通知公司。这点是你自己不周到，如果老板真想辞你，是可以揪着你这小尾巴开始发难了。
这些都不重要了，现在是你同意不干了，但老板还想当面一起沟通下，至少我是想他让其他人知道原因吧。如果你还想干，那么：
第一，承认自己的错误；
第二，澄清之前他们对你的误会；
第三，表明你对他们的误会，你自己情绪化了（因为你假设他们不想你干了，反过来，老板在假设你自己不想干了）
有可能最终还是不适合，有可能能挽回。
自己选择了。
非常感谢楼上各位的回复，建议及批评，谢谢！
补充几个信息，尽管我知道除了我自己，很难把所有事情来龙去脉描述清楚，
1. 邮件里面设计人的全部用了替名，Dan8707 也就是我自己，尽量避免了公司和员工隐私，只是为了就事论事；
2. 我检讨，自己的确有点情绪化了；
3. 关于未能通知雇主按时回来上班，这里还有给信息，9月29，我邮件通知老板不舒服，需要测Covid 19， 但不给测，然后申请隔离14天，老板同意，10月12日应该是隔离到期，但感恩节，不上班，所以13日应该是隔离后回去上班的第一天，未有邮件老板解释，（检讨，这里有错，心里其实已经确定了不回去上班了）老板写邮件问为什么不回去上班.
楼主Dan8707 没有改邮件内容？看邮件内容，不知道为什么要absent, 应该楼主回来上班就没事了吧？
你还是有些态度不对，一个劲的强调他让你恼火，事出有因，你的行为到底有没有先让别人产生其他想法？包括你没如约赴会，你没有行动表示你是积极参与这个远程会议的。你因为自己有事所以耽搁就耽搁了，自己没有提前询问工作中的问题，没有解释你自己为什么来不及参加。这信息忘了补充，HR 说要发一个meeting link，三方通话了解情况。 开会前我没有收到会议链接，但正好那个时间要送太太去做产检。本来想推了会议改期的，考虑到约三方不容易，太太进去了clinic ，我应该就能参加会议，没想没有收到会议链接（也没问HR，我欠考虑了，当然这里也有我的情绪，因为打定回去上班了，所以没有那么主动去为什么没有会议链接），也很不满意老板的 After missing the call, I actually thought that you abandon the job as you didn’t show up 3 consecutive days (MOnday is Thanksgiving)
你还是有些态度不对，一个劲的强调他让你恼火，事出有因，你的行为到底有没有先让别人产生其他想法？包括你没如约赴会，你没有行动表示你是积极参与这个远程会议的。你因为自己有事所以耽搁就耽搁了，自己没有提前询问工作中的问题，没有解释你自己为什么来不及参加。
从楼主提供的信息看 。
楼主在应该工作的日期，不上班工作，又不通知雇主。
然后用工作上出现的未证实的disrepect作为借口。
公司尝试沟通，楼主却屡次履约或回避公司安排的会议。没有体现解决冲突，误解的诚意。
本身就是Disrepect the company and co-workers。
不论是否想继续工作。应该积极，善意地解决工作中的争端。
这是第一次加拿大职场遭遇，写出来一方面听听各位前辈的经验和指教，也可以让我以及更多的新人怎样处理合适？或者这些根本不值一谈？按在国内时工作的经验，我真很在乎这份工作或者不打算辞职，我应该不这么处理，很大程度就是认了。。。
老板的邮件中已经承认了同事的disrepect. 当然老板自己的disrespect 其实我没有太放心上本来，最多就心里不爽，只是事情到这了，他I don’t believe that you have ever complained about dis-respect. 我就把这个第一件事情重述一下，让老板知道，你也有disrespct。
Hi Dan8707,
Thank you for bringing up your concerns. I don’t believe that you have ever complained about dis-respect.
In fact Jin (my colleague) Brought up Dis-respect when you shouted at her and Susi witnessed it.
I can organize a meeting with Ceria (HR) and myself to address this issue.
Currently I do not have any other opening for you to work.
If you don’t want to work in *****（ my company ), I will need an official resignation from you.
After receiving the resignation, you will have to drop off your id. Card and keys and we will process any owing.
Thank you
XXXX
说的很好！至少，你已经几天没有show up，并且不是健康原因。你所谓的disrespect，公司在尝试沟通和解决，你却不show up。公司也未必有错。个人观点，you are making a mountain out of a molehill.
如果你想通过这种方式迫使公司辞退你，然后领EI，按目前的通信记录，未必会得到EI部门的支持。如果最终被terminated with cause，还不如Resignation来得好。
你所谓的dis-respect问题现在，现在充其量处于information collection阶段，连调查，调节阶段都算不上。个人认为，你的做法不厚道，走不了多远。
印度老板?是的，如果我很在乎这个工作并不打算辞职的话，我可能或者应该会忍的，在国内久经职场，忍太多了。。。。
你这样不仅不能为同胞解气，反而带来后患。严格说没有逼迫公司辞退的想法，应该说是希望公司辞退，，原因就是不能胜任目前工作，等等，都可以接受。领不领EI 不重要，原计划是要主动辞职的，因为有创业的想法了。只是碰到这几件事，主动辞职了，同事和老板就‘高兴了’。或者他们都认为他们做的对！为后来者着想，不能这样欺负咱同胞，
（涉事中老板印度人，同时马来西亚人），之所以一开始不提，不希望有先入为主的嫌疑。
你这样不仅不能为同胞解气，反而带来后患。
我是老板的话，我以后可能不想再雇佣中国人
期待ing是的，我也有这个顾虑。。。。所以为什么这麽短时间上来请教大家，事情已经发展到此了。。。下午HR 约了3点半和老板谈谈。
等会再汇报。。。
就是老板和同事就好了你这么写就把大家带进去了，说明你先前对他们就有歧视的。 他们都是加拿大人，有名有姓的普通人而已。严格说没有逼迫公司辞退的想法，应该说是希望公司辞退，，原因就是不能胜任目前工作，等等，都可以接受。领不领EI 不重要，原计划是要主动辞职的，因为有创业的想法了。只是碰到这几件事，主动辞职了，同事和老板就‘高兴了’。或者他们都认为他们做的对！为后来者着想，不能这样欺负咱同胞，
（涉事中老板印度人，同时马来西亚人），之所以一开始不提，不希望有先入为主的嫌疑。
13 Oct.
Hi Dan8707,
Yesterday marks your 2 weeks absent for Quarantine. You did not show up to work today.
Are you Planning to come to work?
If not, please let me know as you mentioned that you might not come back, when I asked you if you want to work here or not?
Thank you.
XXXX （my boss）
Yes, XXXX
I said I love to work with the team here until I receive the same respect as everyone else. Any other position that I can work with? I am afraid I could not continue current job.
Thanks,
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707,
Thank you for bringing up your concerns. I don’t believe that you have ever complained about dis-respect.
In fact Jin (my colleague) Brought up Dis-respect when you shouted at her and Susi witnessed it.
I can organize a meeting with Ceria (HR) and myself to address this issue.
Currently I do not have any other opening for you to work.
If you don’t want to work in *****（ my company ), I will need an official resignation from you.
After receiving the resignation, you will have to drop off your id. Card and keys and we will process any owing.
Thank you
XXXX
HI XXXX,
Thanks, Firstly
1. AAA (one of our customer) ordered one bucket of Bean Chili, and one of Chickpea dow, but reported that two buckets of Bean Chili were received instead 3 days later.
The fourth day morning, you asked me ' why did I give them two buckets of Bean Chili' ?
Better ask instead ' AAA ordered Bean chili and chickpea dow but received two buckets of bean chili, may i know what's happening?'
2. I did not shout to anyone in the workplace. The truth was :
Someone came to the office and said,
'The office door was open last night.'
JIn asked me, ' Dan8707, did you close the door last night?
I said, ' Yes, I close'. I spoke with a low voice.
That man said again, he was working night-shift, the door was open when he was at the office about 9:30 pm.
Jin asked me again,
I repeated: ' Yes, The Door Was Close' . I spoke slowly and increased the voice a bit to make sure she could hear.
I have never been asked to tell the truth.
I will drop the key this week someday.
Regards,
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707,
Instead of discussing this over email, we can have a sit-down conversation.
And before you drop the keys, I do need an official resignation from you.
Thanks.
XXXX
Hi XXXX,
Thanks , I can come tomorrow 2:00pm or join a conference call, if you prefer.
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707 and XXXX
I’ll be sending a webex cisco link for 2pm in a few minutes. It will be sent from LT (HR assistant) as I will be using her account. Please let me know if you do not receive it.
Ceria
14 Oct
Hi Dan8707,
We’re just on the call now. Are you having issues joining?
Ceria
Hi Ceria,
Sorry I did not receive any link for the conference call.
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707,
Perhaps it is better that we meet you in person during your next scheduled shift. I’ll let yourself and XXXX connect on that.
Ceria.
Hi Dan8707,
You are already in schedule and have been Absent since last Monday.
After missing the call, I actually thought that you abandon the job as you didn’t show up 3 consecutive days (MOnday is Thanksgiving)
Could you please confirm that you still want to work at ?
If yes, please come to work tomorrow at 10:00am and we will have a chat and add Ceria with conference call when She is available.
Please let me know your decision.
Thank you.
XXXX
13 Oct.
Hi Dan8707,
Yesterday marks your 2 weeks absent for Quarantine. You did not show up to work today.
Are you Planning to come to work?
If not, please let me know as you mentioned that you might not come back, when I asked you if you want to work here or not?
Thank you.
XXXX （my boss）
Yes, XXXX
I said I love to work with the team here until I receive the same respect as everyone else. Any other position that I can work with? I am afraid I could not continue current job.
Thanks,
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707,
Thank you for bringing up your concerns. I don’t believe that you have ever complained about dis-respect.
In fact Jin (my colleague) Brought up Dis-respect when you shouted at her and Susi witnessed it.
I can organize a meeting with Ceria (HR) and myself to address this issue.
Currently I do not have any other opening for you to work.
If you don’t want to work in *****（ my company ), I will need an official resignation from you.
After receiving the resignation, you will have to drop off your id. Card and keys and we will process any owing.
Thank you
XXXX
HI XXXX,
Thanks, Firstly
1. AAA (one of our customer) ordered one bucket of Bean Chili, and one of Chickpea dow, but reported that two buckets of Bean Chili were received instead 3 days later.
The fourth day morning, you asked me ' why did I give them two buckets of Bean Chili' ?
Better ask instead ' AAA ordered Bean chili and chickpea dow but received two buckets of bean chili, may i know what's happening?'
2. I did not shout to anyone in the workplace. The truth was :
Someone came to the office and said,
'The office door was open last night.'
JIn asked me, ' Dan8707, did you close the door last night?
I said, ' Yes, I close'. I spoke with a low voice.
That man said again, he was working night-shift, the door was open when he was at the office about 9:30 pm.
Jin asked me again,
I repeated: ' Yes, The Door Was Close' . I spoke slowly and increased the voice a bit to make sure she could hear.
I have never been asked to tell the truth.
I will drop the key this week someday.
Regards,
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707,
Instead of discussing this over email, we can have a sit-down conversation.
And before you drop the keys, I do need an official resignation from you.
Thanks.
XXXX
Hi XXXX,
Thanks , I can come tomorrow 2:00pm or join a conference call, if you prefer.
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707 and XXXX
I’ll be sending a webex cisco link for 2pm in a few minutes. It will be sent from LT (HR assistant) as I will be using her account. Please let me know if you do not receive it.
Ceria
14 Oct
Hi Dan8707,
We’re just on the call now. Are you having issues joining?
Ceria
Hi Ceria,
Sorry I did not receive any link for the conference call.
Dan8707
Hi Dan8707,
Perhaps it is better that we meet you in person during your next scheduled shift. I’ll let yourself and XXXX connect on that.
Ceria.
Hi Dan8707,
You are already in schedule and have been Absent since last Monday.
After missing the call, I actually thought that you abandon the job as you didn’t show up 3 consecutive days (MOnday is Thanksgiving)
Could you please confirm that you still want to work at ?
If yes, please come to work tomorrow at 10:00am and we will have a chat and add Ceria with conference call when She is available.
Please let me know your decision.
Thank you.
XXXX
跟老板谈出啥了?你可能问了一个比较关键的问题，我今年1月中入职，3月中layoff due to covid ， 8月25日复工，我原来的supervisor 被老板正好以这个理由让他走了，就是8月25日复工的名单中除了我supervisor ，其他人都复工了，因为我supervisor 是老板有力竞争者，如果我supervisor 不走，现在的老板应该走不远。
另外马来西亚人5年，老板1年，等于说比我长大约6个月，我原来supervisor 3年。
嗯，就聊了10分钟，我resign。
意料之中的，HR 先发言，问怎么感觉到了disrespect，我就把email 的故事简单重复一遍。HR 说不能完全算是disrepect，印度人插嘴，说发错订单的事情，客户收到两buckets of Bean Chilli，我说即便在客户那里看到两桶Bean chili，也不能认定是我发错了货，（有三组人负责发货，我资历最浅）而且是三天后才报告。之前发生过至少两次类似事件，我提出需要改进发货流程，客户拿货后必须签收，并且发现错误需要24小时内报告，可是意见一直没有被采纳。
（本来我愿意是重点谈事件2的，因为马来人以前一直喜欢打小报告，经常找我麻烦，supervisor 走后，因为马来人资历长，所以很多事情需要咨询他，成了名义上的supervisor。）
我说完意见没有被采纳后，印度人就呵呵，然后开始数落我的不是，工作速度慢，英语不好，和同事相处有困难，我去...... HR 都看不下去了，问我： So, now , do you still want to continue the job in our company?
我直接回答，如果继续目前的岗位，我没法继续了。我辞职。其实我这时候我已经不想浪费时间了，算是给了HR 一个面子（说很少国语的二代华人），至少这件事HR 参与了，她两封邮件希望我能参加她今天的会议，而不是直接辞职，她也好向她老板交差了。
