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现实就是这样 :母亲总是会被要求达到和父亲不同的(更高的)标准

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/918800/

多伦多上空的鸟 : 2020-11-21#1
电影《婚姻故事》 描述一对夫妻决定离婚,原想好聚好散的他们,却为了争取儿子的监护权陷入挣扎。

女星Nora Fanshaw在电影《婚姻故事》, 扮演一对离婚夫妻的女方律师,她下面视频里的一段精彩独白,帮助她获得了奥斯卡最佳女配角。


这段独白谈论了社会对母亲这个角色施加的压力,一段难忘的scene 。

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People don't accept mothers who drink too much wine and yell at their child and call him an asshole. I get it. I do it too. We can accept an imperfect dad. Let's face it, the idea of a good father was only invented like 30 years ago. Before that, fathers were expected to be silent and absent and unreliable and selfish, and can all say we want them to be different. But on some basic level, we accept them.

人们不接受母亲喝太多酒,并且对孩子大吼大叫并称他为混蛋,我理解你。我也这样(失去控制)。

我们可以接受一个不完美的父亲。让我们面对现实,世界上好父亲的想法直到30年前才被发明。

在此之前,人们希望父亲保持沉默,缺席,不可靠和自私。可以说我们希望他们(与母亲)不同。但是从基本的角度来说,我们(女人)接受他们(这样)。

我们爱男人因为他们是浪子
We love them for their fallibilities,

但如果母亲有弱点 人们是绝对不会接受的
but people absolutely don't accept those same failings in mothers.

不管是从结构上
We don't accept it structurally

还是从精神上
and we don't accept it spiritually.

因为我们的犹太教与基督教本质上就这么狗屁偏向
Because the basis of our Judeo-Christian whatever

母亲是圣母玛利亚, 耶稣之母, 而她是完美的
is Mary, Mother of Jesus, and she's perfect.

她生了孩子还得是个处♥女♥
She's a virgin who gives birth,

坚定地支持她的孩子
unwaveringly supports her child and

孩子死后还抱着他的尸体
holds his dead body when he's gone.

当爸的根本没露面,他甚至连”掏屌出来干“都没♥做
And the dad isn't there. He didn't even do the fucking.

上帝在天堂
God is in heaven.

上帝就是父亲,但上帝不在场
God is the father and God didn't show up.

所以(离婚)时,你(母亲)必须完美
So, you have to be perfect,

而查理(父亲)就算是个垃圾废物也没关系
and Charlie can be a fuck up and it doesn't matter.

你总是会被要求达到不同的 更高的标准
You will always be held to a different, higher standard.

狗屁标准 但现实就是这样
And it's fucked up, but that's the way it is.

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People don't accept mothers who drink too much wine and yell at their child and call him an asshole. I get it. I do it too. We can accept an imperfect dad. Let's face it, the idea of a good father was only invented like 30 years ago. Before that, fathers were expected to be silent and absent and unreliable and selfish, and can all say we want them to be different. But on some basic level, we accept them. We love them for their fallibilities 。

but people absolutely don't accept those same failings in mothers. We don't accept it structurally and we don't accept it spiritually. Because the basis of our Judeo-Christian whatever is Mary, Mother of Jesus, and she's perfect. She's a virgin who gives birth, unwaveringly supports her child and holds his dead body when he's gone. And the dad isn't there. He didn't even do the fucking. God is in heaven. God is the father and God didn't show up. So, you have to be perfect, and Charlie can be a fuck up and it doesn't matter. You will always be held to a different, higher standard. And it's fucked up, but that's the way it is.

sabre : 2020-11-21#2
这个角色,她得了一个奥斯卡,
我以前只知道她叫laura dern

今天才知道她叫nora fanshaw,

公共郭 : 2020-11-21#3
叛经离道可以,为了震撼观众而叛经离道就不可取了,这台词想表达什么?上帝双标?人们歧视妇女来自于圣经?或者男人堕落妇女也有权利堕落?这样的角色给奥斯卡,🙄

MyChristmas : 2020-11-21#4
叛经离道可以,为了震撼观众而叛经离道就不可取了,这台词想表达什么?上帝双标?人们歧视妇女来自于圣经?或者男人堕落妇女也有权利堕落?这样的角色给奥斯卡,🙄

我的理解是社会应该给母亲更多理解,少些苛刻。

公共郭 : 2020-11-21#5
我的理解是社会应该给母亲更多理解,少些苛刻。
那也不用拿圣经来说事吧,换可兰经他敢吗?

MyChristmas : 2020-11-21#6
那也不用拿圣经来说事吧,换可兰经他敢吗?
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哦,你是觉得基督教被冒犯了

公共郭 : 2020-11-21#7
什么上帝连屌都没拔,不是冒犯吗?

shw019 : 2020-11-21#8
什么上帝连屌都没拔,不是冒犯吗?
女权主义者认为圣经中的"女人是男人的一条肋骨"是胡说八道,时刻找机会进行反击。

公共郭 : 2020-11-21#9
可兰经的圣训好像说,女人的智力有缺陷😅

MyChristmas : 2020-11-21#10
什么上帝连屌都没拔,不是冒犯吗?

电影台词冒犯,你可以含蓄点。第二次冒犯,差评

MyChristmas : 2020-11-21#11
可兰经的圣训好像说,女人的智力有缺陷😅

你到底信圣经还是可兰经?

shw019 : 2020-11-21#12
可兰经的圣训好像说,女人的智力有缺陷😅
没读过可兰经。

读过两次圣经,都没读完,实在还是缘分没到。

公共郭 : 2020-11-21#13
你到底信圣经还是可兰经?
都不信,我想说如果台词是引用可兰经,恐怕上映都不行更不用说得奖。

billyhuang : 2020-11-22#14
不理解这样的文化。
以个人感觉看,中国女性就好像没有多少这方面的意识,对吗?

MyChristmas : 2020-11-22#15
不理解这样的文化。
以个人感觉看,中国女性就好像没有多少这方面的意识,对吗?
自己的娃自己爱,跟世俗期望无关。别人的期望看法就是个屁。爹越做得不够,娘更想做好来弥补,不比烂。

不敢代表华妈,只是我的想法