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各位关注本地新闻的,可能已经听说Alberta health services 前线医护人员对这一批新换的口罩质量问题的投诉。 本省最新从中国深圳一家叫Vanch 的公司,进口的这批口罩, 时而出现缺耳绳, 密封不够, 有异味, 引起皮肤过敏等等问题, 本人也是registered nurse, 战斗在一线直接面对阳性病人,戴上这口罩也真的要哭了,听到周围的同事说fucking Chinese made.心里也是各种滋味啊!
可是昨天,突然一位很多年没联系的中学同学忽然加我微信,这位同学以前读书的时候并没什么交流。我正想,肯定无事不登三宝殿。果不其然,打招呼寒暄了几句,他就切入正题,说他一位朋友的公司做口罩,想出口加拿大,听说我是护士,问我能不能帮忙问问有没有渠道。
我毫不掩饰的把刚刚发生的本省口罩事件给他说了,表示当头情况下,估计大家对中国制造的口罩会有逆反心理了。
我那同学回我一句:“ 那他们准备用哪里的?现在除了中国,还有哪个国家有这么大的口罩生产能力?”
确实。当灾难来临,一个国家自己没有完整的工业体系,确实会有大问题。也难怪国内的粉红现在这么有底气。
 

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中国进出口商唯利是图得状况的确非常可恨。
唯利是图是商人本性,无可厚非。怪一元店国货质量差?you get what you pay for.花丰田的价格,指望法拉利的感受是不现实的。当然,质量没达到合同约定或国家标准的另说。任何商品, 国货强大的一点就是可以提供高中低各种档的产品,这是优点,也解释了虽然国货全球口碑貌似很差,但依然畅销无阻。
 

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顺便发一个我朋友圈里头的故事:我一位在欧洲生活的朋友担任起义工帮本地某个NGO购买医用口罩,结果请看详情。

These days the pandemic has taught me a few things. One of them is, every story has two sides. Here is what happened two weeks ago.

I was involved in a volunteer group to help an NGO to purchase protective medical masks in China for a country in Europe.

Irena is a lead volunteer from that country. And we are in a group chat. I am one of the two Chinese in that group, all other members are that country's nationals.

Irena: I found one supplier in China, can anyone check their credibility?
Me: let me have a look.
After 20 mins.
Me: I do not recommend this supplier. First of all, this supplier is not on the Chinese government list; secondly, this supplier only started producing masks in February this year. I wouldn't trust such a new company. On social media or Baidu, I can't find any news about this company. I suggest the brand xxx, they are in the industry for over 20 years and is on the government list for medical masks export.
Irene: Your recommendation is double the price of my supplier.
Me: I understand. But we should put quality before price. We are talking about protecting the medical staff's life.
Irena: hmmm, I don't know. My suppliers look good.
Me: I don't have 100% trust. Let's choose a supplier that is on the government list.
Irena: we need a democratic vote. Your supplier is too expensive.
Me: OK but please choose a manufacturer that is on the Chinese gov list at least. Remember Spain bought test kits from China that don't work well? It turned out that the manufacturer is not even approved in China and thus not on the government list. We have to be vigilant about the quality, as these medical equipments are for someone's life, it is no joke.s
Irena: but with my supplier, our budget can buy twice the quantity comparing to your supplier.
Two days later.
After the group's democratic vote, they decided to go with Irena's recommendation.
My heart ached. I can't stop thinking what would happen to the medical staff in that country when wear masks from a manufacturer that is even not approved by Chinese government and has no record or legacy in the market.
It is easy to critise Chinese products' quality. I often do so myself. Yes there are a lot of manufacturers out there whose products are just not good. But in the end, the choice is, in the buyer's hand. Next time, if I hear a story that involves low quality, instead of only accusing the Chinese manufacturer as I always do, I will also ask the buyer :did you do your due diligence? Did you do everything that you can to make sure the quality is good before purchasing?

Every story has two sides.
 

Kerrigan

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现在就是各种甩锅给中国和华人。没什么道理可讲。

明明自己不肯多花一分钱,既不按照list的供货商找货源,又没有合适的QC,大家挤破头在目前这种全世界抢口罩的时候火中取栗,还想物美价廉吗?naive吗?然后 Chinese 又被 fuck 了。

这跟川普的混蛋逻辑是一样的。明明是自己P也不懂,在前期盲目自信认为病毒是感染东方黄种人的病毒而已。结果自己大流行了才慌了爪。何况到了后期大家都撕破脸了没什么懂不懂的了,到现在也没见川普除了居家隔离之外在防控上有什么独门绝技。摆明了就是没辙嘛!然后甩锅给中国,要打要杀要赔偿。川普简直是把美国多年来给积攒的一些理性与正义的名声挥霍殆尽。

作为一个中国人,大家对事情都有自己的看法,不必完全一致。但是大家要知道自己的命运掌握在自己手里。该辩解的时候要辩解。不要做忍气吞声的傻逼。
 

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放在世界各地,也是一分价钱一分货!就冲你描述的东西质量也看得出,这就是僻静的农村作坊出品的东西了!不可能是正当途径来的东西。

你不通过正规渠道购买商品,出现任何问题了,都没有地方受理投诉!由此而胡乱攀扯别的,过于滑稽可笑了!
 
顺便发一个我朋友圈里头的故事:我一位在欧洲生活的朋友担任起义工帮本地某个NGO购买医用口罩,结果请看详情。

These days the pandemic has taught me a few things. One of them is, every story has two sides. Here is what happened two weeks ago.

I was involved in a volunteer group to help an NGO to purchase protective medical masks in China for a country in Europe.

Irena is a lead volunteer from that country. And we are in a group chat. I am one of the two Chinese in that group, all other members are that country's nationals.

Irena: I found one supplier in China, can anyone check their credibility?
Me: let me have a look.
After 20 mins.
Me: I do not recommend this supplier. First of all, this supplier is not on the Chinese government list; secondly, this supplier only started producing masks in February this year. I wouldn't trust such a new company. On social media or Baidu, I can't find any news about this company. I suggest the brand xxx, they are in the industry for over 20 years and is on the government list for medical masks export.
Irene: Your recommendation is double the price of my supplier.
Me: I understand. But we should put quality before price. We are talking about protecting the medical staff's life.
Irena: hmmm, I don't know. My suppliers look good.
Me: I don't have 100% trust. Let's choose a supplier that is on the government list.
Irena: we need a democratic vote. Your supplier is too expensive.
Me: OK but please choose a manufacturer that is on the Chinese gov list at least. Remember Spain bought test kits from China that don't work well? It turned out that the manufacturer is not even approved in China and thus not on the government list. We have to be vigilant about the quality, as these medical equipments are for someone's life, it is no joke.s
Irena: but with my supplier, our budget can buy twice the quantity comparing to your supplier.
Two days later.
After the group's democratic vote, they decided to go with Irena's recommendation.
My heart ached. I can't stop thinking what would happen to the medical staff in that country when wear masks from a manufacturer that is even not approved by Chinese government and has no record or legacy in the market.
It is easy to critise Chinese products' quality. I often do so myself. Yes there are a lot of manufacturers out there whose products are just not good. But in the end, the choice is, in the buyer's hand. Next time, if I hear a story that involves low quality, instead of only accusing the Chinese manufacturer as I always do, I will also ask the buyer :did you do your due diligence? Did you do everything that you can to make sure the quality is good before purchasing?

Every story has two sides.
因此现在中国对口罩出口进行了严格的限制。然后他们要说中国在要挟其他国家。

这和港毒分子烧了地铁,把警察打得抱头鼠窜,闹完了准备做地铁回去,发现地铁被烧了。回不去,又报警
要警察帮忙一样。完全是欺负人。
 
这种问题我觉得要从两方面思考,第一:厂家是合格的吗? 是中国政府给的单子上的企业吗? 第二:作为AHS的采购专员,难道不做质检的吗?

如果付了真价钱但缺买到以次充好的劣质品,妥妥向中国商务部投诉!!!没有投诉就没有进步。
向商務部投訴?歐洲向中國投訴,華春瑩怎麼詭辯罵街的你忘了?
 
现在就是各种甩锅给中国和华人。没什么道理可讲。

明明自己不肯多花一分钱,既不按照list的供货商找货源,又没有合适的QC,大家挤破头在目前这种全世界抢口罩的时候火中取栗,还想物美价廉吗?naive吗?然后 Chinese 又被 fuck 了。

这跟川普的混蛋逻辑是一样的。明明是自己P也不懂,在前期盲目自信认为病毒是感染东方黄种人的病毒而已。结果自己大流行了才慌了爪。何况到了后期大家都撕破脸了没什么懂不懂的了,到现在也没见川普除了居家隔离之外在防控上有什么独门绝技。摆明了就是没辙嘛!然后甩锅给中国,要打要杀要赔偿。川普简直是把美国多年来给积攒的一些理性与正义的名声挥霍殆尽。

作为一个中国人,大家对事情都有自己的看法,不必完全一致。但是大家要知道自己的命运掌握在自己手里。该辩解的时候要辩解。不要做忍气吞声的傻逼。
全世界的进口商都喜欢便宜货,但也没见到过第二个国家大批量出口劣质医疗器械的。苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋。
另外,这里是加拿大,不需要战狼!
 

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各位关注本地新闻的,可能已经听说Alberta health services 前线医护人员对这一批新换的口罩质量问题的投诉。 本省最新从中国深圳一家叫Vanch 的公司,进口的这批口罩, 时而出现缺耳绳, 密封不够, 有异味, 引起皮肤过敏等等问题, 本人也是registered nurse, 战斗在一线直接面对阳性病人,戴上这口罩也真的要哭了,听到周围的同事说fucking Chinese made.心里也是各种滋味啊!
可是昨天,突然一位很多年没联系的中学同学忽然加我微信,这位同学以前读书的时候并没什么交流。我正想,肯定无事不登三宝殿。果不其然,打招呼寒暄了几句,他就切入正题,说他一位朋友的公司做口罩,想出口加拿大,听说我是护士,问我能不能帮忙问问有没有渠道。
我毫不掩饰的把刚刚发生的本省口罩事件给他说了,表示当头情况下,估计大家对中国制造的口罩会有逆反心理了。
我那同学回我一句:“ 那他们准备用哪里的?现在除了中国,还有哪个国家有这么大的口罩生产能力?”
确实。当灾难来临,一个国家自己没有完整的工业体系,确实会有大问题。也难怪国内的粉红现在这么有底气。
厂家参差不齐,建议ALBERTA宁可多花点钱,找些靠谱的生产商,不要什么都怪中国质量不好,毕竟一分钱一分货。就比如淘宝上各个商家的口罩的价钱,评价也都是不同的。不要挑最便宜的买,找口碑好的商家还是可以的。我给我爸妈在淘宝上买的也没有出现ALBERTA抱怨的这种情况。
 

Kerrigan

静如瘫痪 动如癫痫
全世界的进口商都喜欢便宜货,但也没见到过第二个国家大批量出口劣质医疗器械的。苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋。
另外,这里是加拿大,不需要战狼!
中国已经明确公示了被授权的出口厂商名单,并且表示了不在名单上的厂商可能难以保证质量,结果还是有人甭管出于什么目的去买了这些有风险厂商的产品,中国能怎么办?中国还特地说了,买了质量差的产品,中国政府会协助维权,要退要换,中国都支持你,还要怎样?

你如果非说这些厂商虽然不在被授权出口医疗器械的名单上,但是也都是在中国合法注册的企业,他们的产品质量应该有一定保障才对。那我只能说中国现阶段的确达不到这个管理水平。中国的广大企业对自己的自律程度也真的没这么高。所以请你至少在目前这个危机的时刻,还是选择推荐的厂商,OK?等到危机过去,如果你以后还需要这些PPE,再慢慢来中国找物美价廉的产品不迟。

我不但不是战狼,我是最反对战狼的。但我对于外国的批评也不是一律沉默,该辩解的时候,就辩解!何况这些话都是肺腑之言。你知道我有多么不想看到加拿大的医护工作者因为使用了伪劣商品而付出无谓的牺牲吗?所以国外的进口商也一定要把好进口产品质量关!不要一味的指责别人。这样说不是因为我们怕听那一两句指责,而是因为这种指责除了破坏两国关系和进一步削弱抗疫的努力之外,毫无作用!
 
看楼上一些评论说意思是说各省各州因为挑便宜的买,才买到次品。但价高质次的情况也是很普遍,买贵的口罩也不知道是不是靠谱,鱼龙混杂。医疗防护用品存在这种争议本来就是很大的问题。

靠这一波口罩行情谋取暴利的,尤其是质量冲次的,不应该被查处和追究责任吗?就比如地沟油啊,毒奶粉毒疫苗,还是商家有理,买方和受害者活该了吗?

现在中国开始对出口物资质检,还是应该的。各国一线采购和医护人员有权利发声,那些无良商家应该被曝光重罚。今天这些商家害的是其他国家的人,网友们为伪劣产品找托辞的好像是爱国表现,但这种恶劣的中国制造不会害中国吗?
 

Kerrigan

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看楼上一些评论说意思是说各省各州因为挑便宜的买,才买到次品。但价高质次的情况也是很普遍,买贵的口罩也不知道是不是靠谱,鱼龙混杂。医疗防护用品存在这种争议本来就是很大的问题。

靠这一波口罩行情谋取暴利的,尤其是质量冲次的,不应该被查处和追究责任吗?就比如地沟油啊,毒奶粉毒疫苗,还是商家有理,买方和受害者活该了吗?

现在中国开始对出口物资质检,还是应该的。各国一线采购和医护人员有权利发声,那些无良商家应该被曝光重罚。今天这些商家害的是其他国家的人,网友们为伪劣产品找托辞的好像是爱国表现,但这种恶劣的中国制造不会害中国吗?
该罚。不但该罚,而且必须罚得狠,才能起到杀鸡儆猴的作用,让别人不敢再给 made in china 抹黑。

但罚归罚,远水不解近渴啊。目前的当务之急,是国外的商品进口部门的quality control。我作为一个中国人,是希望国外这些人买东西之前能把功课做好。中国不缺好的产品,但还是得费心找找。否则他们买了不好的产品,海外华人跟着一起背锅。
 

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欧美各国这次应该深刻体会到,有关国计民生的必需品必须靠自己,全球一片混乱之际谁也不靠谱,有些物资不能光打成本的小算盘,能够自己控制保证本国需求,自己可控是最重要的,新冠不会一走了之,还会反复光临,千万别下次还是这样东奔西走的乱投一气。
 

good4ever

随便玩儿玩儿
向商務部投訴?歐洲向中國投訴,華春瑩怎麼詭辯罵街的你忘了?
外交上面打嘴炮的本事真不行! 她那点发言我都觉得丢人,川普爱将 Kellyanne Conway好好学起来,你去youtube上看看她的视频,我对她是大写的服气!

中国政府行动力上还是强的,不像有些民主国家,只会明主的表皮---言论自由,然后就没有然后了。

 

good4ever

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看楼上一些评论说意思是说各省各州因为挑便宜的买,才买到次品。但价高质次的情况也是很普遍,买贵的口罩也不知道是不是靠谱,鱼龙混杂。医疗防护用品存在这种争议本来就是很大的问题。

靠这一波口罩行情谋取暴利的,尤其是质量冲次的,不应该被查处和追究责任吗?就比如地沟油啊,毒奶粉毒疫苗,还是商家有理,买方和受害者活该了吗?

现在中国开始对出口物资质检,还是应该的。各国一线采购和医护人员有权利发声,那些无良商家应该被曝光重罚。今天这些商家害的是其他国家的人,网友们为伪劣产品找托辞的好像是爱国表现,但这种恶劣的中国制造不会害中国吗?
必须投诉,必须查处,必须重罚!三鹿奶粉的历史就是告诉大家,一家公司就可以毁掉中国整个牛奶企业,害死所有良心做生意的牛奶企业。三鹿时间已经过去12年了,稍微有点实力的中国人还是不愿意买国产品牌奶粉。
我前面帖子说的并不是说各省各州因为挑便宜的买,才买到次品,而是阿省在采购上不做质检就收货然后发放给前线这种做法实在自身也有问题。 你去超市买水果,也是要稍微看看有没有坏的才付款吧?
 

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