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第一张罚单490刀,有事请指教

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/737855/

yilufengqing36 : 2014-11-24#1
开车四五年,第一次接到罚单,挺狠,490刀。
情况是这样:
401近温莎附近,本人开车一贯谨慎,在右侧行车道按限速100公路行驶,过了一个坡,突然看见紧急停车道有货车和两辆警车,警车警灯闪烁。当时超车道有车,且速度很快,加速并到超车道已来不及,只好在行车道减速从警车边驶过,结果悲催。一辆警车撵上叫停我,开了罚单,490元。理由是:遇见警车,如果安全的情况下,应该并道到超车道。罚单引用的法律条款如下:HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT section 159.1(2)

问题是,我在安省政府官网(http://www.ontario.ca/welcome-ontario)找不到这个159.1(2)这个条目,最接近的条目如下:
159. (1) The driver of a vehicle, upon the approach of a police department vehicle with its bell or siren sounding or with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light or red and blue light, or upon the approach of an ambulance, fire department vehicle or public utility emergency vehicle with its bell or siren sounding or its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light, shall immediately bring such vehicle to a standstill,
(a) as near as is practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway and parallel therewith and clear of any intersection; or
(b) when on a roadway having more than two lanes for traffic and designated for the use of one-way traffic, as near as is practicable to the nearest curb or edge of the roadway and parallel therewith and clear of any intersection. 2009, c. 5, s. 49.
Slow down on approaching stopped emergency vehicle
(2) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light or red and blue light that is stopped on a highway, the driver of a vehicle travelling on the same side of the highway shall slow down and proceed with caution, having due regard for traffic on and the conditions of the highway and the weather, to ensure that the driver does not collide with the emergency vehicle or endanger any person outside of the emergency vehicle. 2009, c. 5, s. 49.
Same
(3) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light or red and blue light that is stopped on a highway with two or more lanes of traffic on the same side of the highway as the side on which the emergency vehicle is stopped, the driver of a vehicle travelling in the same lane that the emergency vehicle is stopped in or in a lane that is adjacent to the emergency vehicle, in addition to slowing down and proceeding with caution as required by subsection (2), shall move into another lane if the movement can be made in safety. 2009, c. 5, s. 49.

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现在我的问题是:

1.是不是我寻找的有问题,正确的条文在哪里可以找到?

2.假如我寻找的没有问题,警察可能会引用法律条文错误吗?如果警察引用法律条文有误,这种情况下应该如何处理?

希望各位不吝赐教,不胜感激。

raymond123456 : 2014-11-24#2
排期上停说清楚即可

pavo : 2014-11-24#3
楼主要找的安省的法典条款链接如下:
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/source/statutes/english/2002/elaws_src_s02021_e.htm
这是在高速交通法典基础上,为了保障在高速公路上紧急停驶的车辆及车辆外人员的安全而制定的补充修订案:

1. Part X of the Highway Traffic Act is amended by adding the following section:


Approaching stopped emergency vehicle

159.1 (1) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light that is stopped on a highway, the driver of a vehicle travelling on the same side of the highway shall slow down and proceed with caution, having due regard for traffic on and the conditions of the highway and the weather, to ensure that the driver does not collide with the emergency vehicle or endanger any person outside of the emergency vehicle.

Same

(2) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light that is stopped on a highway with two or more lanes of traffic on the same side of the highway as the side on which the emergency vehicle is stopped, the driver of a vehicle travelling in the same lane that the emergency vehicle is stopped in or in a lane that is adjacent to the emergency vehicle, in addition to slowing down and proceeding with caution as required by subsection (1), shall move into another lane if the movement can be made in safety.

根据楼主的陈述,我觉得楼主可以揪住最后那个条件句抗辩一下:
当时超车道车速很快且车距过近,左后方的车又不愿减速让自己的车(如果楼主当时曾试图打并线灯但没办法并进超车道就更有说服力了),表明当时变道的movement can NOT be made in safety.在这样的被动情况下为了不危及自身安全只有选择不变线减速驶过。
听说上庭的话,抗辩有可能打掉告票,就算打不掉,认罚也可协商打个对折神马的,如果真是这样,不妨上庭一试。

Offence

(4) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable,

(a) for a first offence, to a fine of not less than $400 and not more than $2,000; and

(b) for each subsequent offence, to a fine of not less than $1,000 and not more than $4,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both.

看了这条例后面的处罚(初犯罚400—2000刀,再犯每次罚1000—4000刀或入狱六个月以内或既罚钱又坐牢),觉得真要是对初犯的话,罚490刀还算靠谱。
楼主应该不属于故意违例。但这个条款也算是给安省高速上的驾驶者敲了个警钟。。。

shw019 : 2014-11-24#4
2.假如我寻找的没有问题,警察可能会引用法律条文错误吗?如果警察引用法律条文有误,这种情况下应该如何处理?

有的警察从警时间短, 有可能会引用法律条文错误。

cnhlk : 2014-11-24#5
高速上警车或其他急救车在同车道中行驶,必须靠边停车吗?在相邻车道中行驶时,也停吗?如非高速,一般社区双向单车道上,碰上执行警车,是否双向车辆都要靠边?

theus : 2014-11-24#6
这是驾驶基本常识,挨罚不为过,很多警察就是因为这个失去了生命.

pavo : 2014-11-24#7
楼主的案例发生在安省。俺在魁省,魁省有自己的民法通则Le Code Civil du Québec,
其下的高速公路安全条例Highway Safety Code也给出了类似安省的规定:

406.1. When an emergency vehicle or tow truck with its flashing or rotating lights activated is stopped in a lane of a public highway, the driver of a road vehicle travelling in that lane must reduce speed to avoid endangering human life or safety or any property that is in that lane and, if necessary, stop the vehicle, and switch to the other lane after making sure it can be done safely. In the case of a two-way roadway, the driver must, before switching to the other lane, yield the right of way to any vehicle travelling in the opposite direction.


If the emergency vehicle or tow truck is stopped on the shoulder or on a lane contiguous to the lane in which the driver of the road vehicle is travelling, the driver must, in the following order,

(1)reduce speed to avoid endangering human life or safety or any property that is on the shoulder or in that other lane;

(2)change lanes, if there is another lane for travelling in the same direction and after making sure it can be done safely, so as to leave one free lane between the vehicle and the stopped vehicle or, otherwise, put as much distance as possible between the vehicle and the stopped vehicle while remaining in the same lane.


The second paragraph does not apply when the direction of traffic in the driver's lane is opposite that of the lane in which the emergency vehicle or tow truck is stopped.

This section also applies when a road vehicle with an activated yellow arrow light signal directing a lane change is stopped on a public highway. The lane change must be carried out in the direction indicated by the arrow.

魁省的条例对相关前提条件描述得更为仔细具体(两步走):
先减速以避免对路肩或邻道上人身及财物安全的伤害;
如果同向有另一股车道可用,在确保可以安全变线的前提下,变线。

各省规定的具体表述不尽相同,但法理应该是一致的,都是先减速,然后在有线可变且能够安全变线的前提下变线,以保障高速上紧急停驶的车辆及相关人员的人身及财产安全。

感谢楼主分享,也让大家有了认真学习相关条款的机会:)

Lucyzhang : 2014-11-25#8
楼主的案例发生在安省。俺在魁省,魁省有自己的民法通则Le Code Civil du Québec,
其下的高速公路安全条例Highway Safety Code也给出了类似安省的规定:

406.1. When an emergency vehicle or tow truck with its flashing or rotating lights activated is stopped in a lane of a public highway, the driver of a road vehicle travelling in that lane must reduce speed to avoid endangering human life or safety or any property that is in that lane and, if necessary, stop the vehicle, and switch to the other lane after making sure it can be done safely. In the case of a two-way roadway, the driver must, before switching to the other lane, yield the right of way to any vehicle travelling in the opposite direction.


If the emergency vehicle or tow truck is stopped on the shoulder or on a lane contiguous to the lane in which the driver of the road vehicle is travelling, the driver must, in the following order,

(1)reduce speed to avoid endangering human life or safety or any property that is on the shoulder or in that other lane;

(2)change lanes, if there is another lane for travelling in the same direction and after making sure it can be done safely, so as to leave one free lane between the vehicle and the stopped vehicle or, otherwise, put as much distance as possible between the vehicle and the stopped vehicle while remaining in the same lane.


The second paragraph does not apply when the direction of traffic in the driver's lane is opposite that of the lane in which the emergency vehicle or tow truck is stopped.

This section also applies when a road vehicle with an activated yellow arrow light signal directing a lane change is stopped on a public highway. The lane change must be carried out in the direction indicated by the arrow.

魁省的条例对相关前提条件描述得更为仔细具体(两步走):
先减速以避免对路肩或邻道上人身及财物安全的伤害;
如果同向有另一股车道可用,在确保可以安全变线的前提下,变线。

各省规定的具体表述不尽相同,但法理应该是一致的,都是先减速,然后在有线可变且能够安全变线的前提下变线,以保障高速上紧急停驶的车辆及相关人员的人身及财产安全。

感谢楼主分享,也让大家有了认真学习相关条款的机会:)
但是在无法变线的情况下,是不是只有认罚?

ztgp3614 : 2014-11-25#9
如果不变线的话,要减速60以下。

盘古 : 2014-11-25#10
被罚的不冤。

但是为了减免点,上庭吧。

yilufengqing36 : 2014-11-25#11
楼主要找的安省的法典条款链接如下:
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/source/statutes/english/2002/elaws_src_s02021_e.htm
这是在高速交通法典基础上,为了保障在高速公路上紧急停驶的车辆及车辆外人员的安全而制定的补充修订案:

1. Part X of the Highway Traffic Act is amended by adding the following section:


Approaching stopped emergency vehicle

159.1 (1) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light that is stopped on a highway, the driver of a vehicle travelling on the same side of the highway shall slow down and proceed with caution, having due regard for traffic on and the conditions of the highway and the weather, to ensure that the driver does not collide with the emergency vehicle or endanger any person outside of the emergency vehicle.

Same

(2) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light that is stopped on a highway with two or more lanes of traffic on the same side of the highway as the side on which the emergency vehicle is stopped, the driver of a vehicle travelling in the same lane that the emergency vehicle is stopped in or in a lane that is adjacent to the emergency vehicle, in addition to slowing down and proceeding with caution as required by subsection (1), shall move into another lane if the movement can be made in safety.

根据楼主的陈述,我觉得楼主可以揪住最后那个条件句抗辩一下:
当时超车道车速很快且车距过近,左后方的车又不愿减速让自己的车(如果楼主当时曾试图打并线灯但没办法并进超车道就更有说服力了),表明当时变道的movement can NOT be made in safety.在这样的被动情况下为了不危及自身安全只有选择不变线减速驶过。
听说上庭的话,抗辩有可能打掉告票,就算打不掉,认罚也可协商打个对折神马的,如果真是这样,不妨上庭一试。

Offence

(4) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable,

(a) for a first offence, to a fine of not less than $400 and not more than $2,000; and

(b) for each subsequent offence, to a fine of not less than $1,000 and not more than $4,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both.

看了这条例后面的处罚(初犯罚400—2000刀,再犯每次罚1000—4000刀或入狱六个月以内或既罚钱又坐牢),觉得真要是对初犯的话,罚490刀还算靠谱。
楼主应该不属于故意违例。但这个条款也算是给安省高速上的驾驶者敲了个警钟。。。

谢谢您的指点,您引用的条文我也看见过,但是好像07年已经修改过,中间又修改过几次,最新的整合日期 July 1, 2014 ,具体条文就是我主帖上贴的那个(http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm。)

因为我来加拿大时间不长,英语也不是太好,不知道是不是我理解有误。是所有的条文,无论前后,都有法律效力,还是修改后,以新的条文执行?

您给的指点对我帮助很大,希望继续得到您的帮助,谢谢!

yilufengqing36 : 2014-11-25#12
排期上停说清楚即可
已经排期上庭了。

yilufengqing36 : 2014-11-25#13
被罚的不冤。

但是为了减免点,上庭吧。

如果不变线的话,要减速60以下。

两位说的对,当时看到警车时距离很近,如果并道,需要加速,我怕加速,万一完不成并道,就得从警车旁呼啸而过,罪过更大,但是没有果断减速到60一下,的确当时处置有瑕疵,希望以后TX吸取我的教训,避免为此挨罚。

yilufengqing36 : 2014-11-25#14
高速上警车或其他急救车在同车道中行驶,必须靠边停车吗?在相邻车道中行驶时,也停吗?如非高速,一般社区双向单车道上,碰上执行警车,是否双向车辆都要靠边?
您如果遇见警车鸣笛闪灯行驶,您应该靠右停车,如果警车在紧急停车带闪灯执行公务,您在安全的情况下能离多远就离多远,如果实在不行,就减速,减速到限速一半左右,应该问题不大了,我感觉我当时就是减速减的不够,但是警察却不是以此下的罚单,呵呵。

快乐旅途 : 2014-11-25#15
我打掉了一张同样的告票。同样的原因。你能赢的的可能,只有打法律程序。
第一步,开庭前1个半月寄个邮件过去,要disclosure.

yilufengqing36 : 2014-11-25#16
我打掉了一张同样的告票。同样的原因。你能赢的的可能,只有打法律程序。
第一步,开庭前1个半月寄个邮件过去,要disclosure.
可以说说简单的经过吗?或者方便微信或者QQ,和您讨教一下?

FlyingHawk : 2014-11-25#17
您如果遇见警车鸣笛闪灯行驶,您应该靠右停车,如果警车在紧急停车带闪灯执行公务,您在安全的情况下能离多远就离多远,如果实在不行,就减速,减速到限速一半左右,应该问题不大了,我感觉我当时就是减速减的不够,但是警察却不是以此下的罚单,呵呵。

学习了。
你这种情况,并道是不可能的。
只能减速,猛减速,从100减速到三四十公里。过了警车后,再加速走。你可能是大意了,速度还是很快。
不过这警察也有点找茬,有个坡,视线不开阔,要开罚单应该少开点钱,再说你也减速了。

快乐旅途 : 2014-11-25#18
警察不可能少开点,这个项目的罚款就是490起。楼主不用担心,如果在多伦多被抓,很可能用程序的手段打掉告票。我没办法加你q, 在上班。你按我教你的一步一步做就可以了。

yilufengqing36 : 2014-11-25#19
警察不可能少开点,这个项目的罚款就是490起。楼主不用担心,如果在多伦多被抓,很可能用程序的手段打掉告票。我没办法加你q, 在上班。你按我教你的一步一步做就可以了。
好,按你说的,先要disclosure,我会随时更新动态,也请您随时给予帮助。谢谢您。

八根儿 : 2014-11-25#20
学习了。。。:wdb37:

快乐旅途 : 2014-11-25#21
不要现在就要disclosure,晚一点点要,但又不是太晚要。开庭前1个多月的时间最好,用邮寄的方式给他们,平信就可以了。

大地任我行 : 2014-11-25#22
开车四五年,第一次接到罚单,挺狠,490刀。
情况是这样:
401近温莎附近,本人开车一贯谨慎,在右侧行车道按限速100公路行驶,过了一个坡,突然看见紧急停车道有货车和两辆警车,警车警灯闪烁。当时超车道有车,且速度很快,加速并到超车道已来不及,只好在行车道减速从警车边驶过,结果悲催。一辆警车撵上叫停我,开了罚单,490元。理由是:遇见警车,如果安全的情况下,应该并道到超车道。罚单引用的法律条款如下:HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT section 159.1(2)

问题是,我在安省政府官网(http://www.ontario.ca/welcome-ontario)找不到这个159.1(2)这个条目,最接近的条目如下:
159. (1) The driver of a vehicle, upon the approach of a police department vehicle with its bell or siren sounding or with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light or red and blue light, or upon the approach of an ambulance, fire department vehicle or public utility emergency vehicle with its bell or siren sounding or its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light, shall immediately bring such vehicle to a standstill,
(a) as near as is practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway and parallel therewith and clear of any intersection; or
(b) when on a roadway having more than two lanes for traffic and designated for the use of one-way traffic, as near as is practicable to the nearest curb or edge of the roadway and parallel therewith and clear of any intersection. 2009, c. 5, s. 49.
Slow down on approaching stopped emergency vehicle
(2) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light or red and blue light that is stopped on a highway, the driver of a vehicle travelling on the same side of the highway shall slow down and proceed with caution, having due regard for traffic on and the conditions of the highway and the weather, to ensure that the driver does not collide with the emergency vehicle or endanger any person outside of the emergency vehicle. 2009, c. 5, s. 49.
Same
(3) Upon approaching an emergency vehicle with its lamp producing intermittent flashes of red light or red and blue light that is stopped on a highway with two or more lanes of traffic on the same side of the highway as the side on which the emergency vehicle is stopped, the driver of a vehicle travelling in the same lane that the emergency vehicle is stopped in or in a lane that is adjacent to the emergency vehicle, in addition to slowing down and proceeding with caution as required by subsection (2), shall move into another lane if the movement can be made in safety. 2009, c. 5, s. 49.

... ...


现在我的问题是:

1.是不是我寻找的有问题,正确的条文在哪里可以找到?

2.假如我寻找的没有问题,警察可能会引用法律条文错误吗?如果警察引用法律条文有误,这种情况下应该如何处理?

希望各位不吝赐教,不胜感激。
一身冷汗啊,今天早上我也是与你一样,但是警察没抓,下次要注意了.

JustInCase : 2014-11-25#23
现在玩儿这种上庭拖延的把戏没戏了,法庭程序改了,不信自己到时候找检察官实施就知道了,这种违章和开车摸手机类似,都没有证人,警察说了算

快乐旅途 : 2014-11-26#24
现在玩儿这种上庭拖延的把戏没戏了,法庭程序改了,不信自己到时候找检察官实施就知道了,这种违章和开车摸手机类似,都没有证人,警察说了算
没有拖延啊,正常上庭。至少吃告票的人,没有拖延。

yilufengqing36 : 2014-11-26#25
现在玩儿这种上庭拖延的把戏没戏了,法庭程序改了,不信自己到时候找检察官实施就知道了,这种违章和开车摸手机类似,都没有证人,警察说了算

把这件事发到这里,一方面是向大家请教,另一方面,也是给大家提一个醒,免得再犯我的错误。无论如何,我会感激“快乐旅途”网友,也会听从她的建议,先要求disclosure ,当然不是为了玩拖延的把戏,仅仅因为是警察对我处罚的条文159.1(2)。我在现行的高速公路规则中找不到而已,所以需要法院给我一个明示。最后无论结果如何,我都会在这里分享给大家。

yilufengqing36 : 2014-11-26#26
不要现在就要disclosure,晚一点点要,但又不是太晚要。开庭前1个多月的时间最好,用邮寄的方式给他们,平信就可以了。

好的,我会按您的意见试一试,再次谢谢您。

快乐旅途 : 2014-11-26#27
不客气,还有一点要提醒,现在有检察官会要求一个电话调解,在电话里给你一个offer, 你一定要拒绝接受这个电话的安排。也就是说,不接受任何电话调解,让这个案子,不要那么早跟你有接触。

franco : 2014-11-26#28
应该目光前顾,快速通过,扬长而去是最好选择。

mi123 : 2015-02-10#29
现在这个case上庭的结果如何?楼主还在等开庭么?

B-a-King : 2015-02-11#30
有的警察从警时间短, 有可能会引用法律条文错误。
警方处罚引用的法律条文正确。"move-over law"是一个交通法规的常识,开车的必须懂。

快乐旅途 : 2015-02-12#31
应该目光前顾,快速通过,扬长而去是最好选择。
警察可以追到你,然后给你罚单,心情不好,可以给你2个。每个490。

eleclan : 2015-02-12#32
应该目光前顾,快速通过,扬长而去是最好选择。

这个就是呼叫直升机监控,多辆警车沿途堵截的待遇了,弄不好还会开枪

快乐旅途 : 2015-02-12#33
这个就是呼叫直升机监控,多辆警车沿途堵截的待遇了,弄不好还会开枪
警车追而不马上停,被逼停是490的罚单,另一个罚款名目

蒙城闲人 : 2015-02-13#34
我前一阵子也发生过这个情况,地点也是在楼主的那个范围。
有2辆警车,前面一辆在处理一个违章,我直接从行车道过去(我不知道有这个规定要变道,在蒙特利尔学习的时候,没有人告诉我,老赵驾校的500题也没有这个内容!!!)
过了第一辆警车,1000米后又有辆警车在路边,我看到前面的车变道,好奇怪!多了个心眼,也变到超车道,之后发现有警车追我,心里好疑惑。
停下来后,警察到副驾驶窗口,叽叽咕咕讲了一通,要罚我590刀,扣6分。我sorry,警察说不是sorry的事情,是危险的事情,警察问我第二辆警车你为什么变道,我这辆警车你为什么不变道,我灵机一动,说我没有看见你,第二辆警车我看见了 所以........(此处省去许多sorry),警察想了想,让我以后注意,放我走了!乖乖,惊出了一身汗。之后想想,这么严重的事情,驾校的500题咋没有呢,这不是中国人害中国人吗!
回来后猛打了一阵子电话,告诉亲朋好友,特别是新来的移民,奇怪的是好些老移民知道,咋没人告诉我呢。
楼主是好人,把经历发帖告诉大家。

linyan74 : 2015-02-14#35
我前一阵子也发生过这个情况,地点也是在楼主的那个范围。
有2辆警车,前面一辆在处理一个违章,我直接从行车道过去(我不知道有这个规定要变道,在蒙特利尔学习的时候,没有人告诉我,老赵驾校的500题也没有这个内容!!!)
过了第一辆警车,1000米后又有辆警车在路边,我看到前面的车变道,好奇怪!多了个心眼,也变到超车道,之后发现有警车追我,心里好疑惑。
停下来后,警察到副驾驶窗口,叽叽咕咕讲了一通,要罚我590刀,扣6分。我sorry,警察说不是sorry的事情,是危险的事情,警察问我第二辆警车你为什么变道,我这辆警车你为什么不变道,我灵机一动,说我没有看见你,第二辆警车我看见了 所以........(此处省去许多sorry),警察想了想,让我以后注意,放我走了!乖乖,惊出了一身汗。之后想想,这么严重的事情,驾校的500题咋没有呢,这不是中国人害中国人吗!
回来后猛打了一阵子电话,告诉亲朋好友,特别是新来的移民,奇怪的是好些老移民知道,咋没人告诉我呢。
楼主是好人,把经历发帖告诉大家。


是呀,没人说过。学习了

verasong : 2015-02-14#36
好有用的知识。美国也是这样吗?在美国开车的时候从来没注意过。

B-a-King : 2015-02-14#37
不单单是警车,遇到前方任何闪灯公务车停着,你就要move-over。后方闪灯公务车走,你就要尽快靠边停下让道。

liveInMiss : 2015-02-14#38
算了,不说了

yhm_st : 2015-02-27#39
这个交规里没写啊。有次我在外市碰到过一次的!我前面的车都纷纷变道到旁边的lane上去了,我一看路边有辆警车。我没变道,而是大概以20km/h以下的速度开过去了。有点后怕啊。

现在知道了,感谢LZ提醒。

sabrina2011 : 2015-02-27#40
长知识了,谢各位。

B-a-King : 2015-02-28#41
这个交规里没写啊。有次我在外市碰到过一次的!我前面的车都纷纷变道到旁边的lane上去了,我一看路边有辆警车。我没变道,而是大概以20km/h以下的速度开过去了。有点后怕啊。

现在知道了,感谢LZ提醒。
交规里没有?重新认真温习一遍。

yhm_st : 2015-02-28#42
交规里没有?重新认真温习一遍。
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