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令人心碎的林俊父亲庭审后的声明!30号就是林俊的生日,沉冤昭雪。

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/741261/

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#1
Lin Jun Family impact statement
I do not know who I am supposed to be talking to, who will listen to this or read this but I
do need to say something. For me, for Lin Jun’s mother, for Lin Jun’s sister.
My brave son, smart son, laughing son, caring son, adventurous son, handsome son,
strong son, popular son. Gone. And I will always miss you Lin Jun.
The night Lin Jun died, parts of many other people died in one way or another. His
mother, his sister and me, his friends, Lin Feng. In one night, we lost a lifetime of hope,
our futures, parts of our past.
I have trouble thinking of other things, to concentrate. Lin Jun’s mother is not right
anymore, has not smiled or laughed much since May 2012 and will never work
again. Lin Jun’s sister has tried to take care of her mother but she too is unable to work,
is sad. She has too much responsibilities now for someone so young. I hope one day
she is better.
My memories of Lin Jun do not stop at his youth but now I see those memories through
his death, how he died, how he must have suffered, how humiliating his death has
become with a movie, post office packages, and only the accused’s story that it was not
his fault and the fault of government agents.
I know that the accused is not what Canada is about. Lin Jun loved China but was also
drawn to Canada, to live in Montreal, in French. I have spent now more time in Canada
and now know why my son wanted to live here. This knowledge hurts all the more to
know what my son is missing by not being alive in your country. I am troubled by
knowing what his plans were, to stay here and to start a business, to live here
permanently, to enjoy your language, your opportunities, your fresh air. I live each day
with regret that all I now see available here will never be his, that his name will only be
associated with a horrible, degrading crime. It causes me fresh pain to know that my
son’s legacy is to be remembered as a victim. He not only suffered in his murder but will
be humiliated for each time his name is mentioned and it hurts me deeply and will hurt
me forever. It hurts me to know that my last words to him were “be careful son”. I feel
bad that I was not there to warn him that night.
I will never see his smiling face on video chat or hear about his new accomplishments or
hear his laugh. Lin Jun”s birthday is on December 30 and he will never be there for his
birthday or ours.
In traditional Chinese culture, your child grows up to take care of you when you get
old. A Chinese parent has a saying : “ 养儿防老 ” (Yang (3) er(2) fang(2)
lao(3)). "Having a child takes care of old age" or "Raising a child prevents loneliness in
old age”. He will not be there for me and Lin Jun’s mother in our old age. I turned sixty
years old at the start of the trial and so did Lin Jun’s mother a few days later. We have
only misery as a gift and feel pain for his little sister Mei Mei. I thought I would be able to retire and enjoy my son being there for me, with me, to let me feel I have been a good
father. His chair is empty at my home. His phone never answers. All gone. I have no
ability or desire to want anything else.
I am told that the accused will receive the maximum under Canadian judicial system for
one of his crimes. I appreciate the result.
I am told that a prisoner in Canada is given time to reflect on his crime, to live with the
bad memories, to perhaps feel regret, to be cut off from family, to be limited in their
movements. In that understanding, I think that his future sounds like mine, Lin Jun’s
mother’s and Lin Jun’s sister. We are cut off from our son, and given the rest of our
lives to think. We reflect on that crime, we feel regret, we have no desire to go
anywhere or see people.
I am also told that for the next years, a prisoner will be housed, his bed provided, his
food prepared, doctors made available and psychiatrists to listen to him and give him
medication when he tells them that he feels bad.
No one will house us, feed us or provide doctors. Lin Jun will never be there for us. We
do not want to tell our story because it is too sad to repeat. We cannot talk much about
Lin Jun without talking about his murder. The murder has robbed us not only of Lin Jun
but our ability to think and talk about him without feeling pain and shame.
I had come to see your trial system to see justice done and I leave satisfied that you
have not let my son down.
I had come to learn what happened to my son that night and I leave without a true or a
complete answer.
I had come to see remorse, to hear some form of apology, and I leave without anything.
Lin Diran

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#2



林俊是看了他的广告才去的,广告说明他不是为了一夜情才去的,是去拍片子,但是证据不足因为他们如何在麦当劳见面,是否通过什么软件,但是电话记录并没有任何联系的电话记录。马尿只是说拍片子,NOT LOOKING FOR SEX AND NOT COCK SUCKING!

八根儿 : 2014-12-23#3
【转个中文版】
林俊家庭宣读“受害人影响陈述”。
内容:
我的孩子离开的那一晚,我们的心也随之死去,死去的还有我们对过去,对未来的希望。
更令我们心痛的是,我们的孩子死的那么屈辱那么没有尊严。
这对我们的伤害是永远都无法磨灭的,这种痛苦也将伴随我们的一生,孩子的母亲因为无法面对这一切,不得不由女儿每天照看。
我们对罪犯最后的一句话是:我们真的很疼爱我们的孩子。
12月30日是林俊的生日,在中国传统观念中养儿防老,我们都已经60岁了,而我们现在已经没有任何可以依靠。
在我们的家中,他的东西还是像原来那样摆放着,只是他的电话再也不会响起,他的椅子也将永远的那么空着。
被告Magnotta就算是在狱中也依然是衣食无忧,并享受着设施完善的医疗保健,而我们什么都没有。
我来到这里希望听到被告的忏悔和道歉,但是我即将离开,却什么都没有听到。
我们对判决结果很满意,我们希望这可以告慰林俊的在天之灵。

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-23#4
【转个中文版】
林俊家庭宣读“受害人影响陈述”。
内容:
我的孩子离开的那一晚,我们的心也随之死去,死去的还有我们对过去,对未来的希望。
更令我们心痛的是,我们的孩子死的那么屈辱那么没有尊严。
这对我们的伤害是永远都无法磨灭的,这种痛苦也将伴随我们的一生,孩子的母亲因为无法面对这一切,不得不由女儿每天照看。
我们对罪犯最后的一句话是:我们真的很疼爱我们的孩子。
12月30日是林俊的生日,在中国传统观念中养儿防老,我们都已经60岁了,而我们现在已经没有任何可以依靠。
在我们的家中,他的东西还是像原来那样摆放着,只是他的电话再也不会响起,他的椅子也将永远的那么空着。
被告Magnotta就算是在狱中也依然是衣食无忧,并享受着设施完善的医疗保健,而我们什么都没有。
我来到这里希望听到被告的忏悔和道歉,但是我即将离开,却什么都没有听到。
我们对判决结果很满意,我们希望这可以告慰林俊的在天之灵。
应该可以翻译得更好些的。可能时间紧吧。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#5
【转个中文版】
林俊家庭宣读“受害人影响陈述”。
内容:
我的孩子离开的那一晚,我们的心也随之死去,死去的还有我们对过去,对未来的希望。
更令我们心痛的是,我们的孩子死的那么屈辱那么没有尊严。
这对我们的伤害是永远都无法磨灭的,这种痛苦也将伴随我们的一生,孩子的母亲因为无法面对这一切,不得不由女儿每天照看。
我们对罪犯最后的一句话是:我们真的很疼爱我们的孩子。
12月30日是林俊的生日,在中国传统观念中养儿防老,我们都已经60岁了,而我们现在已经没有任何可以依靠。
在我们的家中,他的东西还是像原来那样摆放着,只是他的电话再也不会响起,他的椅子也将永远的那么空着。
被告Magnotta就算是在狱中也依然是衣食无忧,并享受着设施完善的医疗保健,而我们什么都没有。
我来到这里希望听到被告的忏悔和道歉,但是我即将离开,却什么都没有听到。
我们对判决结果很满意,我们希望这可以告慰林俊的在天之灵。
上天保佑他们一家人!

schenvan : 2014-12-23#6
同性恋也要注意性道德,太随便招致杀身之祸啊。生活作风不正派,死于羞耻,死不足惜。

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-23#7
同性恋也要注意性道德,太随便招致杀身之祸啊。生活作风不正派,死于羞耻,死不足惜。
如果你认同同性恋跟异性恋具有相同的权利,如果你也有成年子女,可以想象一下自己的孩子谈恋爱被虐杀后你的感受。

人生就是一部易经 : 2014-12-23#8
在北京微软中国工作、有房有车!移民去蒙特利尔、同性恋、被变态的白人所杀!命也、运也!人生没有如果、只有结果!

schenvan : 2014-12-23#9
这不是谈恋爱,是一夜情,比嫖娼都贱。

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-23#10
这不是谈恋爱,是一夜情,比嫖娼都贱。
一夜情也是情啊,如果真有情。就算性生活不严肃,也只是道德范畴的不同看法,无罪,更罪不至死。

schenvan : 2014-12-23#11
一夜情也是情啊,如果真有情。就算性生活不严肃,也只是道德范畴的不同看法,无罪,更罪不至死。
如果一个男孩喜欢跑酷,结果摔断腿,他自己要承受冒险的代价。一个人要玩一夜情,就要承受染上艾滋或者被变态杀死肢解的后果。不是道德和法律问题,一个三十多岁的成年人,不考虑父母的年迈伤痛,只顾自己肛门快感,跟畜生无异。人死了,让父母痛苦终身,杀人犯就算碎尸万段又有何用?不孝之子也。

etlovefx : 2014-12-23#12
这不是谈恋爱,是一夜情,比嫖娼都贱。
真不明白你是什么心态。

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-23#13
如果一个男孩喜欢跑酷,结果摔断腿,他自己要承受冒险的代价。一个人要玩一夜情,就要承受染上艾滋或者被变态杀死肢解的后果。不是道德和法律问题,一个三十多岁的成年人,不考虑父母的年迈伤痛,只顾自己肛门快感,跟畜生无异。人死了,让父母痛苦终身,杀人犯就算碎尸万段又有何用?不孝之子也。
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CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-23#14
真不明白你是什么心态。
他也有正确的一面。各人都要为自己的行为承担风险。

awander : 2014-12-23#15
同性恋也要注意性道德,太随便招致杀身之祸啊。生活作风不正派,死于羞耻,死不足惜。
林是一个罪行的受害者, 在无辜受害者的伤口撒盐显示不了那些道貌傲然者的“高贵“。

schenvan : 2014-12-23#16
真不明白你是什么心态。
不赞成随意性态度和性道德。

schenvan : 2014-12-23#17
林是一个罪行的受害者, 在无辜受害者的伤口撒盐显示不了那些道貌傲然者的“高贵“。
他父母更是受害者,林死了一了百了,他父母惨度余生。林既是Magnota的受害者,也是对父母的戕害者,假如他找个固定partner不就不会出现这个悲剧了?

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#18
同性恋也要注意性道德,太随便招致杀身之祸啊。生活作风不正派,死于羞耻,死不足惜。
马尿的广告说不是找性伙伴,只是拍片子

awander : 2014-12-23#19
他父母更是受害者,林死了一了百了,他父母惨度余生。林既是Magnota的受害者,也是对父母的戕害者,假如他找个固定partner不就不会出现这个悲剧了?

林绝不是对父母的戕害者。 这是大是大非问题。

那些站在道德高处的“君子们”, 不需要你们的说教。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#20
这不是谈恋爱,是一夜情,比嫖娼都贱。
你看看马尿的广告

马尿只是说拍片子,NOT LOOKING FOR SEX AND NOT COCK SUCKING!

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#21
如果一个男孩喜欢跑酷,结果摔断腿,他自己要承受冒险的代价。一个人要玩一夜情,就要承受染上艾滋或者被变态杀死肢解的后果。不是道德和法律问题,一个三十多岁的成年人,不考虑父母的年迈伤痛,只顾自己肛门快感,跟畜生无异。人死了,让父母痛苦终身,杀人犯就算碎尸万段又有何用?不孝之子也。
法庭证据显示,他去马尿的唯一可能性,就是通过马尿的广告,然后广告说了不是找性伙伴,想必林也是这么想的太去拍片子的。

schenvan : 2014-12-23#22
你看看马尿的广告

马尿只是说拍片子,NOT LOOKING FOR SEX AND NOT COCK SUCKING!
肯定拍的是porno pictures, 比嫖娼更坏。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#23
他父母更是受害者,林死了一了百了,他父母惨度余生。林既是Magnota的受害者,也是对父母的戕害者,假如他找个固定partner不就不会出现这个悲剧了?
事后看,他也许确实欠考虑在对于父母事情上,但是他和前PARTNER分手了,想去拍片子,非性主题的而已

schenvan : 2014-12-23#24
很多人都对林的悲剧同情,可是这同情太廉价,想想如何教育自己的孩子吧,他们将来会长大的。
反正我认为林对自己的悲剧负有一定责任。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#25
肯定拍的是porno pictures, 比嫖娼更坏。
有可能,但是按照广告描述是没有性关系发生的,但是也不知道后来发生的事情,只能马尿一面之词了

schenvan : 2014-12-23#26
事后看,他也许确实欠考虑在对于父母事情上,但是他和前PARTNER分手了,想去拍片子,非性主题的而已
如何见得于性无关?

人生就是一部易经 : 2014-12-23#27
趁男友回国之际、想玩玩洋jj、结果被杀!可见、不管是同性恋还是异性恋!忠诚是多么的重要!同性恋的基因决定了性趋向!不管在中国、加拿大、还是地球各地!这样的intercourse都是venture capital!

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#28
很多人都对林的悲剧同情,可是这同情太廉价,想想如何教育自己的孩子吧,他们将来会长大的。
反正我认为林对自己的悲剧负有一定责任。
言之有理,成年人确实为自己的行为负责,有保护自己也保护自己父母的义务,尤其再做出行动之前要考虑后果。他确实为自己的行为付出了生命,这是值得深思的。
下一代的人应该更加懂得保护自己,也不论是同性恋还是异性恋,人心隔肚皮,保护自己!

schenvan : 2014-12-23#29
你看看马尿的广告

马尿只是说拍片子,NOT LOOKING FOR SEX AND NOT COCK SUCKING!

schenvan : 2014-12-23#30
这不是此地无银三百两嘛,林会演戏吗?

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#31
如何见得于性无关?
这个法庭陈诉也没搞清楚的事情,我只能从他当时发在CRI上的广告内容来判断,但是马尿法庭陈述又说他被林俊捆绑开始,然后不舒服,调换角色,这个作为和他再广告说的不符合,可见马尿的广告也许是骗人的幌子


erugigonc : 2014-12-23#32
趁男友回国之际、想玩玩洋jj、结果被杀!可见、不管是同性恋还是异性恋!忠诚是多么的重要!同性恋的基因决定了性趋向!不管在中国、加拿大、还是地球各地!这样的intercourse都是venture capital!
这个法庭审查确实他和男友已经分手在15号,也就是男友回国去了泰国旅游,他们之间是已经没有关系了。

那么他找别人玩是属于自由,不受到同居或者夫妻关系的约束的。

schenvan : 2014-12-23#33
马戈说他杀人是正当防卫,他所是精神病你们都不信,他说招人拍片与性无关,不吸小鸡鸡你们就信了岂不是??

人生就是一部易经 : 2014-12-23#34
宇宙的阴阳法则是阳对阴!结果、他们玩阳对阳!就像查肝炎或艾滋病、抗体呈现阳性!肯定要出事了!男人的阳具不是对男人的!这是大自然的惩罚!

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#35
瞧你这智商。最后三个单词出现在广告里,任何正常人都会远离。
所以这个不是正常的案子

schenvan : 2014-12-23#36
这个法庭陈诉也没搞清楚的事情,我只能从他当时发在CRI上的广告内容来判断,但是马尿法庭陈述又说他被林俊捆绑开始,然后不舒服,调换角色,这个作为和他再广告说的不符合,可见马尿的广告也许是骗人的幌子

所以跟性一定有关啊

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#37
这不是此地无银三百两嘛,林会演戏吗?
嗯,可能幌子招牌而已,拍戏为名,约炮为实

schenvan : 2014-12-23#38
所以林老先生应该别露脸了。假如林俊一夜情不是被冰锥杀死的,而是染上艾滋然后全身溃烂而死,你还一样同情吗?其实性质和结果一样的

Yeyelingfeng : 2014-12-23#39
如果一个男孩喜欢跑酷,结果摔断腿,他自己要承受冒险的代价。一个人要玩一夜情,就要承受染上艾滋或者被变态杀死肢解的后果。不是道德和法律问题,一个三十多岁的成年人,不考虑父母的年迈伤痛,只顾自己肛门快感,跟畜生无异。人死了,让父母痛苦终身,杀人犯就算碎尸万段又有何用?不孝之子也。
别在人家伤口上撒盐了,父母多受不了呀!

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#40
宇宙的阴阳法则是阳对阴!结果、他们玩阳对阳!就像查肝炎或艾滋病、抗体呈现阳性!肯定要出事了!男人的阳具不是对男人的!这是大自然的惩罚!
如果是异性恋何必在乎执着同性恋的生活方式呢,父母都管不了孩子长大后什么样,人家同性恋愿意接受大自然惩罚,外人也是乱担心!

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#41
如果我邀请人来参加party, 邀请词里特别注明没有毒品没有淫乱,,试问谁还敢来,真敢来的会是什么人?
嗯,所以广告是不能信的,广告终究是广告!

schenvan : 2014-12-23#42
如果是异性恋何必在乎执着同性恋的生活方式呢,父母都管不了孩子长大后什么样,人家同性恋愿意接受大自然惩罚,外人也是乱担心!
所以跑酷耍帅跌断腿了

schenvan : 2014-12-23#43
别在人家伤口上撒盐了,父母多受不了呀!
所以林的父母来加拿大干啥啊?如果真的那么痛苦就不来了

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#44
所以林老先生应该别露脸了
这话就太小气了。林父不会因为儿子是同性恋,就失去一个父亲,一个家长理所应当躲起来流泪,伤心丧子之痛吗?
一派胡言,首先是人性,不能因为儿子同性恋在中国也许不那么光彩,就不参加不为儿子伸冤,如果他们不做这些,谁还能为林伸冤呢?
抛开同性恋,这是一个谋杀,蓄意谋杀,怎么人性都关注背面去了,正面事件是被谋杀了,为什么不露脸!

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-23#45
很多人都对林的悲剧同情,可是这同情太廉价,想想如何教育自己的孩子吧,他们将来会长大的。
反正我认为林对自己的悲剧负有一定责任。
性关系中的性道德可以教,但性倾向教不了。目前还没有谁把这个事情研究透:如何培育引导孩子的性倾向?

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-23#46
瞧你这智商。最后三个单词出现在广告里,任何正常人都会远离。
此地无银300盎司。

schenvan : 2014-12-23#47
性关系中的性道德可以教,但性倾向教不了。目前还没有谁把这个事情研究透:如何培育引导孩子的性倾向?
就这个意思,无论什么性取向都要有约束和道德

法海 : 2014-12-23#48
同性恋是一个很大的社会问题。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#49
命案后,人们不去谴责杀人犯,却责备受害人的道德是否正确。
这种冷漠,因为你仇恨同性恋,他们就值得该死的道理不适用于加拿大,因为这里合法。
如果你谴责一个合法的同性恋,却不去谴责杀人的恶魔,想必站在道德高度批判受害人和恶魔杀害受害人有何区别????????????

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#50
试问天下父母,谁不希望自己子女成为正常人,谁愿意看到自己子女变态
所以,谴责凶手的同时也要认识到,真正给父母晒盐的是那个男同。
你说的有可能部分事实,但那也是事件的很小一部分,男同对父母的伤害再深,那也是他们的儿女,他也是林的父亲,
即便父母会伤心,会流泪,如果不死掉,父母依然会有儿子,同性恋的盐,也许会融化,但是谋杀这个毒药,永远不会融化!

schenvan : 2014-12-23#51
命案后,人们不去谴责杀人犯,却责备受害人的道德是否正确。
这种冷漠,因为你仇恨同性恋,他们就值得该死的道理不适用于加拿大,因为这里合法。
如果你谴责一个合法的同性恋,却不去谴责杀人的恶魔,想必站在道德高度批判受害人和恶魔杀害受害人有何区别????????????
杀人犯已经受到法律的惩罚,作为另一方,除了作为受害人身份供人同情,是不是作为一个不孝之子引以为戒呢?

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#52
就这个意思,无论什么性取向都要有约束和道德
如何约束,道德约束很苍白,所以有了法律。
如果大家都一直认为法律不正确,你需要做的很多,要提案取消同性恋合法化!那你要有足够的证据和大量的人力物力,很多工作需要做。你会做到吗?

schenvan : 2014-12-23#53
找个固定伴侣,或者自慰解决,不轻信陌生人,这个悲剧本可避免

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-23#54
感性,理性之争。不同视角之争。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#55
杀人犯已经受到法律的惩罚,作为另一方,除了作为受害人身份供人同情,是不是作为一个不孝之子引以为戒呢?
林在孝敬父母上的事情,法庭并没有任何举例,但我相信这是父子间的事情,人们同情受害人因为他收到了及其残忍的谋害。林在不孝上确实有责任,由于自己不谨慎未能保护自己,让林父蒙上同性恋父亲的恶名,这是林在事发前想不到的,林如果活着也应该深思这个问题。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#56
找个固定伴侣,或者自慰解决,不轻信陌生人,这个悲剧本可避免
嗯,此话林应该受纳。这问题其实在中国尤其北京,问题很严重,有调查显示10%的同性恋人群携带HIV,悲剧在上演,本可以避免。

schenvan : 2014-12-23#57
有个问题,25年后玛格申请假释有多大概率?表现良好申请就准吗?

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#58
生活中没碰到过什么男同,论坛里倒是认识1个,感觉男同都是找抽的性格。

珍爱生命,远离同性恋。
嗯,最惨的就是同妻了,要慧眼识。。。了,有的离婚了都不知道自己丈夫是同性恋,或者妻子是女拉拉,

因为他们结婚完成了形式过程,或者有了免费的孩子,不用找人代孕上百万,有谁会告诉你他是同性恋呢?

换句话说,你如何识别同性恋,在中国隐性的同性恋很多,你不谈不代表没有,当上同妻的可能性,并不一定是中彩票。

知识改变世界,远离前,你了解多少同性恋让自己幸免于难,这个是一个问题!社会问题!

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-23#59
生活中没碰到过什么男同,论坛里倒是认识1个,感觉男同都是找抽的性格。

珍爱生命,远离同性恋。
肛门的粘膜很薄,不是用来做爱的,是用来排便的。人体的皮肤对细菌和病毒是有很强的抵抗力的,粘膜稍次,但对艾滋也是有不错的防御力的。但是,破皮后,所有对外的防御都撤了,如果遇到带病毒的精液,就“接种”了。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#60
有个问题,25年后玛格申请假释有多大概率?表现良好申请就准吗?
25年法律有可能在新的运动中重写,无人能预测,但只要他不死在监狱,他未来期望是有的,而且也有可能他人性格大变,变成大善人!

schenvan : 2014-12-23#61
美国有一百年不能假释,加拿大为什么只有25年?应该引入100年不能假释

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#62
美国有一百年不能假释,加拿大为什么只有25年?应该引入100年不能假释
美国有终身不得假释,也有死刑部分州。
服刑人员改造得好,应该回归社会,减少社会负担,贡献社会服务社会。
美国法学界的主流观点还是认为,在监狱外的环境为罪犯提供教育、就业以及戒酒戒毒的治疗机会,不仅有利于罪犯的悔悟,而且也比将罪犯关押在监狱中更能节省公共资金的开支。所以美国也不是支持终身假释。

人生就是一部易经 : 2014-12-23#63
如果是异性恋何必在乎执着同性恋的生活方式呢,父母都管不了孩子长大后什么样,人家同性恋愿意接受大自然惩罚,外人也是乱担心!
你趋向?

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#64
肛门的粘膜很薄,不是用来做爱的,是用来排便的。人体的皮肤对细菌和病毒是有很强的抵抗力的,粘膜稍次,但对艾滋也是有不错的防御力的。但是,破皮后,所有对外的防御都撤了,如果遇到带病毒的精液,就“接种”了。
艾滋病 传染途径上看就知道他的危险性对于任何人,同性恋,异性恋,血液传染都有可能,那是一个疾病而已。
没有发病都是携带者,和异性恋携带乙肝病毒,中国有上亿了吧,没有区别。

发病了才是艾滋病,异性恋 也有肛交,你别不好意思,很多异性恋男人喜欢这个因为种种原因,也许后面他觉得TINY或者花样爱好者都有可能。

面对一个疾病受众是人类,男人,女人,变性人,都有可能!

人生就是一部易经 : 2014-12-23#65
肛门的粘膜很薄,不是用来做爱的,是用来排便的。人体的皮肤对细菌和病毒是有很强的抵抗力的,粘膜稍次,但对艾滋也是有不错的防御力的。但是,破皮后,所有对外的防御都撤了,如果遇到带病毒的精液,就“接种”了。
做0的最危险、高潮射精、全喷在直肠粘膜、再乱交、立刻染艾滋病!

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#66
你趋向?
人不能极端,这个不是战队,社会都是交织的,你也许今天是同性恋,明天异性恋了,没有绝的的,是吧,何必在乎谁是不是同性恋呢!

人生就是一部易经 : 2014-12-23#67
艾滋病 传染途径上看就知道他的危险性对于任何人,同性恋,异性恋,血液传染都有可能,那是一个疾病而已。
没有发病都是携带者,和异性恋携带乙肝病毒,中国有上亿了吧,没有区别。

发病了才是艾滋病,异性恋 也有肛交,你别不好意思,很多异性恋男人喜欢这个因为种种原因,也许后面他觉得TINY或者花样爱好者都有可能。

面对一个疾病受众是人类,男人,女人,变性人,都有可能!
松紧带!

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#68
做0的最危险、高潮射精、全喷在直肠粘膜、再乱交、立刻染艾滋病!
好专业的词语0,肛交不是同性恋的专利,异性恋奇异爱好者很多。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#69
松紧带!
所以老婆不好用了,就出去找小三,不然就找小姐,请问松了怎么办?

amyhu : 2014-12-23#70
命案后,人们不去谴责杀人犯,却责备受害人的道德是否正确。
这种冷漠,因为你仇恨同性恋,他们就值得该死的道理不适用于加拿大,因为这里合法。
如果你谴责一个合法的同性恋,却不去谴责杀人的恶魔,想必站在道德高度批判受害人和恶魔杀害受害人有何区别????????????
说得非常对!
不知这样的人是什么心态?在我看来也非善良之人,何况其言辞可谓歹毒!

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#71
林父说了一句,”马尿狱中也依然是衣食无忧,并享受着设施完善的医疗保健,而我们什么都没有。“
这是我发帖的初衷,失去孩子在长达2年的时间带着冤情忍受加拿大漫长的司法过程。
万万没想到,发一个贴居然体会到林父的艰辛,不仅什么都没有,还要忍受来自中国人对儿子的污蔑和嘲笑和诋毁,
看热闹没错,但是在儿子喊冤昭雪的日子,却那么多人不理解,那么多人看到的不是林父失去儿子,不是被蓄意谋杀,法庭给了公正的判决
大肆批判同性恋,都2年了,哪天批判同性恋不行,非要人家得到宣判后还来踹一脚,你们都是无影脚呀!!!

Sisleyaa : 2014-12-23#72
首先他不是因为性而赴约, 是去拍片子, 大家可以看看马尿的发言。 另外, 即使是同性恋, 也不见得就比异性恋来得更低贱。 至少, 罪不至死。

erugigonc : 2014-12-23#73
首先他不是因为性而赴约, 是去拍片子, 大家可以看看马尿的发言。 另外, 即使是同性恋, 也不见得就比异性恋来得更低贱。 至少, 罪不至死。
文化差异大,道德规范不同,持不同政见者达成一致共识不太可能,而且认知上的事情辩不出结果,最后就是各说各话。

schenvan : 2014-12-23#74
首先他不是因为性而赴约, 是去拍片子, 大家可以看看马尿的发言。 另外, 即使是同性恋, 也不见得就比异性恋来得更低贱。 至少, 罪不至死。
可以推测,林俊就是为性赴约,因为他给了自己裸照,否则玛格不会回答他。另一方面,就是异性恋约炮被人玩仙人跳,我也是幸灾乐祸。对于林俊之死不值得同情。

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#75
可以推测,林俊就是为性赴约,因为他给了自己裸照,否则玛格不会回答他。另一方面,就是异性恋约炮被人玩仙人跳,我也是幸灾乐祸。对于林俊之死不值得同情。
只能呵呵了,能说什么呢

schenvan : 2014-12-24#76
同性恋者也别说什么光荣不光荣了,若同性恋光荣,难道异性恋就不光荣了?推行同性恋合法化是自有党执政的恶果

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#77
同性恋者也别说什么光荣不光荣了,若同性恋光荣,难道异性恋就不光荣了?推行同性恋合法化是自有党执政的恶果
部分同意,部分不同意。

同意同性恋没必要光荣,同性恋是政治结果。

不同意的是,不管什么恋,他们开心,彼此愉悦彼此,都是值得祝福的。

人生就是一部易经 : 2014-12-24#78
好专业的词语0,肛交不是同性恋的专利,异性恋奇异爱好者很多。
治疗便秘?

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#79
治疗便秘?
月经不调,便秘,脱发,你有啥病都都疗效甚佳!那个生活质量好,人生无忧!

amyz8299 : 2014-12-24#80
谋杀就是谋杀,与性倾向无关,异性恋也有被谋杀的可能。再者,同性恋不仅人类有,其他物种中也有,这是一种自然现象,没必要歧视。

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#81
林在被害当日24号9点39分之前,是不认识马尿的,但仅仅12小时以后就被谋杀了,且没有通讯记录和马尿的电话,邮件来往也没有,如何在麦当劳门口见面,约炮一般会用约炮软件,里面有照片更加直接,林费了半天劲去CRIG网站找人还是不是一般同性恋所为,此网站一般是发布二手信息的。
而且约炮会说明10等条件的吧,不是异性恋见面就能搞,至少要知道谁搞谁,这都没沟通怎么是约炮的节奏呢?
法庭细节都是马一个人描述出来,驴唇不对马嘴,这期间必有阴谋。
16日马尿和一个白人预演冰锥情节并录像,家中准备电锯切骨头,还有安眠药哦,24号上午发广告,下午林就被陷害,
一切都是计划好的,那么计划和广告一致,也和他之前11年公布的警告一致,下一次不是猫,会是人血。
计划前,结束后都是各种准备充足。
马尿定不是发的什么约炮广告,也许要身材照片为了考虑自己是否可以杀的了,太强壮或者块头大的,药性如果不够未必杀的了,这个是现实的问题。
马尿多次发广告,用虚假照片骗人已经被人投诉并警告他人,所以马尿再次发广告就说没有性接触,他在20号发出了一个视频小样,有关冰锥杀人狂,但那个片子是16号拍的,是表演出来的并没动真格,但是他在网络上吹嘘付费后有完整版,旧金山一个哥们给他假信息说视频卖到10万,估计马尿也为了能拿到钱,加大发广告欺骗的技巧,不说找性伙伴,换成拍片继续钓鱼,24号再次钓鱼,就林上钩了。

林尸检有被下药,林不会自己乱吃药的英文再好也不会吃别人的药,都是医嘱的,
在国外药品上都有病人名字的。说白了,我只会吃写我自己名字的药。
林被害,被媒体乱说成爱人,然后是约炮,到现在分析只能是看到拍片广告,去尝试拍片而已。

bxnd : 2014-12-24#82
提醒那些说林俊这样被虐杀是活该的人,马尿塔杀林俊的时候也觉得他活该。

luckca : 2014-12-24#83
如果是异性恋何必在乎执着同性恋的生活方式呢,父母都管不了孩子长大后什么样,人家同性恋愿意接受大自然惩罚,外人也是乱担心!
变态杀人犯马尿也愿意接受法律的惩罚,外人也是乱担心?!

luckca : 2014-12-24#84
美国有一百年不能假释,加拿大为什么只有25年?应该引入100年不能假释
加拿大应该恢复死刑,
这种人渣只配人道毁灭,坐牢只是浪费纳税人钱。

川菜厨子 : 2014-12-24#85



林俊是看了他的广告才去的,广告说明他不是为了一夜情才去的,是去拍片子,但是证据不足因为他们如何在麦当劳见面,是否通过什么软件,但是电话记录并没有任何联系的电话记录。马尿只是说拍片子,NOT LOOKING FOR SEX AND NOT COCK SUCKING!

不是为了一夜情? 难道是义务劳动拍片子?

scarlet0803 : 2014-12-24#86
同性恋也要注意性道德,太随便招致杀身之祸啊。生活作风不正派,死于羞耻,死不足惜。
这样的评论太过分,太不地道和善良 !

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-24#87
看了主流媒体的网评,几乎全部“政治正确”,同情逝者,安慰家属,promote 和解。很多加拿大人(自称)出来说话,“代表”加拿大给林俊的父母道歉,林俊的父亲林迪然也说话了,理解马格诺他的父母,也理解他们在法庭作证为他们的儿子开罪的人之常情,这就很感人了。

是否上诉?目前辩方还没有做出决定。

.............SNOWBEARBABY : 2014-12-24#88
不关同性还是异性恋的事儿。
但显然同性恋的选择范围非常狭窄,由不得他们有时候饥不择点食,铤而走点险。

异性恋一般有一方是不愁嫁的,静等猎人。而同性恋是互为猎人猎物。危险一点。

无论是大胆上陌生叔叔车的少女,还是林俊们,都要为自己的行为负责。

sabre : 2014-12-24#89
不关同性还是异性恋的事儿。
但显然同性恋的选择范围非常狭窄,由不得他们有时候饥不择点食,铤而走点险。

异性恋一般有一方是不愁嫁的,静等猎人。而同性恋是互为猎人猎物。危险一点。

无论是大胆上陌生叔叔车的少女,还是林俊们,都要为自己的行为负责。
呵呵,
这个跟实际情况不完全符合, 有特定场所, 酒吧, 浴池, 很方便的,

小英子 : 2014-12-24#90
他父母更是受害者,林死了一了百了,他父母惨度余生。林既是Magnota的受害者,也是对父母的戕害者,假如他找个固定partner不就不会出现这个悲剧了?
估计在中国同性恋者要顶很大的压力才能找到另一半,到了加拿大以为真是到了一个开放自由的社会,结果事情到了这种地步,根源在哪里,值得思考。

.............SNOWBEARBABY : 2014-12-24#91
呵呵,
这个跟实际情况不完全符合, 有特定场所, 酒吧, 浴池, 很方便的,
俺哪儿有你那经验呀。。。。
现实中只认识一位同性恋,不熟,但人看着特别温和厚道。
也是被害之后才知道的。可惜。

schenvan : 2014-12-24#92
说一些political correctness的话是没有任何意义的。
林的死给我们活着的人的教训就是人要洁身自好,无论什么样的性取向。
违背自然规律的性取向,虽然世俗世界不以为罪,但毕竟是违反世俗规律。
林的父亲写的话看过后,肯定是有人根据他的意思帮忙撰写。
林的父亲口口声声活在耻辱中,羞耻中。
林家如果真的感到羞耻,就不必在加拿大等审判结果。因为他们既不是本案证人也不是本案当事人,不会影响本案判决结果。加拿大没死刑,没有安排见证执行死刑的程序。如果说等待罪犯道歉,更是不可能也没有必要当面道歉。
MAGNATA是个穷小子,没有钱可以赔偿,所以,林老先生,回去的好。

schenvan : 2014-12-24#93
俺哪儿有你那经验呀。。。。
现实中只认识一位同性恋,不熟,但人看着特别温和厚道。
也是被害之后才知道的。可惜。
看外表不可靠。
反正对于同性恋,我敬而远之。

Helen钱 : 2014-12-24#94
不管是什么样的性取向,任何人都没有权利剥夺他的生命。

林俊是我们的同胞,死的那么惨,父母那么悲伤,怎么还会有人不动容?

每个人都有自主权,自主选择自己的生活方式,我们可以不理解抑或不支持,但无权干涉。

法官还林俊一个公道,愿逝者安息。

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-24#95
呵呵,
这个跟实际情况不完全符合, 有特定场所, 酒吧, 浴池, 很方便的,
感觉不一样的。
你住城里去饭店里买碗牛肉面吃,跟你在荒野路途饥肠辘辘时遇到一家小店来碗鸡汤,味道能一样吗?

看外表不可靠。
反正对于同性恋,我敬而远之。
接触多了,就无所谓了。
他们第一是很 nice ,很注重他人的感受;第二是很脆弱很敏感,同时又有自己不易被他人接受的怪癖。

banff : 2014-12-24#96
看外表不可靠。
反正对于同性恋,我敬而远之。
河水不犯井水。

sabre : 2014-12-24#97
河水不犯井水。
我最近研究了一下这个事, 地下水, 特别是水位浅的, 跟雨水,河水, 湖水都有关系,

banff : 2014-12-24#98
我的80尺,不知怎么样。

sabre : 2014-12-24#99
我的80尺,不知怎么样。
肯定有关系, 远近的事,清朝没关系, 汉朝有,
化验水的成分能帮助建立关系,

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#100
今天去世的律师Edward Greenspan, criminal lawyer曾经反对死刑再次复燃在1986年到1987年间。
历史都是在不断重演的,谁有能知道未来死刑不会再次重燃呢!


When Canada considered restoring capital punishment in 1986 and 1987, about a decade after it was abolished, he toured the country to speak out against it, at a time when public opinion leaned heavily in favour of it.

A free vote in the House of Commons, under the Mulroney government, was held in 1987 but it was voted down.

As he did many times in his legal career, Greenspan prevailed.

"It's over now," he said at the time. "If it couldn't be returned with the largest Conservative majority in history, it won't ever be."

零下的浪漫 : 2014-12-24#101
这不是谈恋爱,是一夜情,比嫖娼都贱。
你是基督教徒吗?鄙视你毒如蛇蝎的心肠!

amyz8299 : 2014-12-24#102
看外表不可靠。
反正对于同性恋,我敬而远之。
既然外表不可靠,那怎样判断是否同性恋,又怎么敬而远之呢?说不定他们就潜在身边。同性恋们并不在脑门上帖标签。

零下的浪漫 : 2014-12-24#103
如果一个男孩喜欢跑酷,结果摔断腿,他自己要承受冒险的代价。一个人要玩一夜情,就要承受染上艾滋或者被变态杀死肢解的后果。不是道德和法律问题,一个三十多岁的成年人,不考虑父母的年迈伤痛,只顾自己肛门快感,跟畜生无异。人死了,让父母痛苦终身,杀人犯就算碎尸万段又有何用?不孝之子也。
你玩异性恋就确定不会染上艾滋和变态者杀死肢解?你风险更高!异性恋变态者更多!
当你只顾自己小弟弟快感时,有无想过如果你的固定性对象是个变态,你的行为就跟畜生无异,会让父母痛苦终身?所以不关乎同性恋异性恋,只要你小弟弟愉快的时候,你都要思考一下自己是否不孝!

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#104
可以推测,林俊就是为性赴约,因为他给了自己裸照,否则玛格不会回答他。另一方面,就是异性恋约炮被人玩仙人跳,我也是幸灾乐祸。对于林俊之死不值得同情。
研究庭审材料,马尼奥在5月份开始就在CRIG网站MEN TO MEN 广告掉人,但是由于使用虚假PS照片被很多人识破,并且在网站回复大家不要上档。
于是马尼奥更新了广告并没有发自己真实照片,也没发PS的,转成了招聘演员 但是不付酬劳,拍摄自己搞这玩,并说不找性伙伴。这个广告在24号上午9点发的。
那么之前和他上床的白人16号拍摄部分内容剪辑在后来流露出的杀人视频里面。他为何不杀那个白人,之前几个星期上床男人不止哪一个吧,
他在20号发出了视频小样,也就是他在论坛之前公告的一样,准备出专辑发布一样,试探口风,有旧金山的一个哥们回复说他视频很受欢迎,已经有人给出6位数的价格。
言指宣称的杀人视频,那么后来他邮寄尸体包裹到温哥华2所华裔学校,以及给总理尸体,都是政治问题,2个结合起来,你能说没有种族主义问题吗?
同情不同情,我们要看问题本质,和约炮是否有关系,多段点材料,别媒体说什么就信什么?看看法庭的庭审材料,双方举证,这个是说明问题的。

零下的浪漫 : 2014-12-24#105
别在人家伤口上撒盐了,父母多受不了呀!
你要明白,有些伪君子、伪基督徒是靠往别人伤口撒盐、往人父母生者尊严上摧毁,来表现自己的高风亮节、高瞻远瞩的,不管林俊是不是同性恋,死者已逝,是否应该留给他和他家人一些安宁呢?!

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#106
既然外表不可靠,那怎样判断是否同性恋,又怎么敬而远之呢?说不定他们就潜在身边。同性恋们并不在脑门上帖标签。
新版潜伏吗?

零下的浪漫 : 2014-12-24#107
找个固定伴侣,或者自慰解决,不轻信陌生人,这个悲剧本可避免
自慰得多会阳痿的,阳痿得多会自杀的!固定性伴侣也难保不是变态狂魔,谋财害命的异性配偶实在太多!没什么悲剧可以避免的,你信上帝,就应该知道一切已是预先安排好,想避免就多做好事多祈祷,往林俊家人伤口撒盐太狠毒!

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#108
如果我邀请人来参加party, 邀请词里特别注明没有毒品没有淫乱,,试问谁还敢来,真敢来的会是什么人?
估计你没有回国大陆吧,去过钱柜,麦乐迪吗?KTV里面都有PARTY,每个包厢都会写着,禁止毒品=没有毒品,拒绝黄毒徒,请问去钱柜的都是什么人
成龙儿子还吸毒呢,那个明星不被睡呀,有几个配上贞节牌坊呀

零下的浪漫 : 2014-12-24#109
加拿大应该恢复死刑,
这种人渣只配人道毁灭,坐牢只是浪费纳税人钱。
留着人渣不死,在牢里天天被人捅菊花插牙刷才能解恨!

我爱摩尔 : 2014-12-24#110
同性恋怎么了?!我所接触的同性恋都是善良、懂得爱、非常值得尊重的人!

坦白讲,如果我知道谁是同性恋,第一反应是:哦,这个人应该是很Nice的。

真的气不过了,我要来骂人了:wdb8:

我相信同性恋比这楼里的一些“心如蛇蝎”的人要善良一百倍!!!!!!

小和尚 : 2014-12-24#111
国内同性恋尔虞我诈,国内监狱充斥暴力,很多枪支和刀具。
国外同性恋高尚纯洁,国外监狱人文关怀,只有肥皂和牙刷。

零下的浪漫 : 2014-12-24#112
国内同性恋尔虞我诈,国内监狱尔虞我诈,很多肥皂和牙刷。
国外同性恋充满爱心,国外监狱人文关怀,没有肥皂和牙刷。
你很懂行情,待过吗大哥?

八根儿 : 2014-12-24#113
国内同性恋尔虞我诈,国内监狱尔虞我诈,很多肥皂和牙刷。
国外同性恋充满爱心,国外监狱人文关怀,没有肥皂和牙刷。
小和尚这是快走火入魔的节奏?:wdb2:
俺认为:国内是天堂,国外是地狱:wdb17:
然后,我不入地狱谁入地狱?:wdb12:
小和尚命好,只会进天堂。。。:wdb20:

小和尚 : 2014-12-24#114
你很懂行情,待过吗大哥?

看你的帖子,才学到皮毛。

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#115
国内同性恋尔虞我诈,国内监狱尔虞我诈,很多肥皂和牙刷。
国外同性恋充满爱心,国外监狱人文关怀,没有肥皂和牙刷。
国内异性恋尔虞我诈,国内监狱尔虞我诈,很多肥皂和牙刷。
国外异性恋充满爱心,国外监狱人文关怀,没有肥皂和牙刷。

改2个字看来也说得通,大圈子,小圈子不同,法律制度不同,难免国内外有别,限于中国加拿大,国外(朝鲜也是国外)
但国外充满爱心?那就那么回事,你印度同事有爱心吗?你伊朗同事关怀你还是关怀你领导。
哪里都有肥皂和牙刷,哪里都有压迫和被压迫,没一个国家机器不是国家机器的,那么多赋税不是压迫吗?

小和尚 : 2014-12-24#116
小和尚这是快走火入魔的节奏?:wdb2:
俺认为:国内是天堂,国外是地狱:wdb17:
然后,我不入地狱谁入地狱?:wdb12:
小和尚命好,只会进天堂。。。:wdb20:

错,我一向认为世界人性相同,各有利弊,
半年中国,半年加国。

小和尚 : 2014-12-24#117
乱了乱了,哈哈哈哈。

八根儿 : 2014-12-24#118
错,我一向认为世界人性相同,各有利弊,半年中国,半年加国。
嘿嘿:wdb40:
看你最近的言论,只有国外的弊国内的利样:wdb43:
包括这变态杀人案,都成内外比较的利器:wdb5:
变态哪都有哒?又不是体制的产物。。。:wdb20:

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-24#119
留着人渣不死,在牢里天天被人捅菊花插牙刷才能解恨!
就这一点不同意,您这是正中下怀啊。

erugigonc : 2014-12-24#120
就这一点不同意,您这是正中下怀啊。
所以给他做变性手术然后关在女牢吧

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-24#121
你很懂行情,待过吗大哥?
得罪人,我没敢问。

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-24#122
所以给他做变性手术然后关在女牢吧
我们公共澡堂洗澡,香皂掉了不敢捡,他有意让香皂滑落了再去捡。

Vanite : 2014-12-25#123
林俊的英语一直在用

清风拂面 : 2014-12-26#124
加拿大应该恢复死刑,
这种人渣只配人道毁灭,坐牢只是浪费纳税人钱。
一个专门负责跟踪假释的犯人的朋友告诉我们, 每个加拿大监狱里的犯人的开销人均十万加币每年!

清风拂面 : 2014-12-26#125
说一些political correctness的话是没有任何意义的。
林的死给我们活着的人的教训就是人要洁身自好,无论什么样的性取向。
违背自然规律的性取向,虽然世俗世界不以为罪,但毕竟是违反世俗规律。
林的父亲写的话看过后,肯定是有人根据他的意思帮忙撰写。
林的父亲口口声声活在耻辱中,羞耻中。
林家如果真的感到羞耻,就不必在加拿大等审判结果。因为他们既不是本案证人也不是本案当事人,不会影响本案判决结果。加拿大没死刑,没有安排见证执行死刑的程序。如果说等待罪犯道歉,更是不可能也没有必要当面道歉。
MAGNATA是个穷小子,没有钱可以赔偿,所以,林老先生,回去的好。

你什么意思? 你觉得林父用了两年时间在演戏给世界看?以图谋赔偿?所以待在加拿大不走?

xiao1657 : 2014-12-26#126
他也有正确的一面。各人都要为自己的行为承担风险。
1 ,都是成年人。2,有因就有果 3,没人能逃因果。
当成了果时,人人都评论果是如何。
有多少人能在造因时,想过会结什么果。
同情受害人,憎恨杀入的人。
每个人做人身不易,在做人这个层次,要修身养性。提高自己对生命的理解。有度的对钱 ,情,欲 望把握。
这样可离福近些,祸远些。

banff : 2014-12-26#127
一个专门负责跟踪假释的犯人的朋友告诉我们, 每个加拿大监狱里的犯人的开销人均十万加币每年!
创造基地皮。让社会更安全一些,应该的。

banff : 2014-12-26#128
你什么意思? 你觉得林父用了两年时间在演戏给世界看?以图谋赔偿?所以待在加拿大不走?

看了一遍英文版,感觉翻译极为差劲。

Saint.Saens : 2014-12-26#129
一切的控诉,论断都是那么苍白瞎眼
所有的在这里不在这里的人都会死,你们的孩子都会死,不是已死的人有罪,意外死的人有罪,所有人都有罪,肉体的死亡是一个命定
但顺序不一样的时候大家才震撼,才彻骨的伤痛,当看见教会里两个家庭都散失了独子,才明白一点神独子死去的感受
所有的文字都无法表达。。。

经历苦难能站立的人,必获得双倍的赏赐,祝福他们30倍、60倍、100倍地结出果实

CCOYYOTEE : 2014-12-26#130
看了一遍英文版,感觉翻译极为差劲。
小留干义工的。

schenvan : 2014-12-26#131
你什么意思? 你觉得林父用了两年时间在演戏给世界看?以图谋赔偿?所以待在加拿大不走?
动机是你猜测的,你负责解释。
林父在加拿大逗留那么久,没有更好的事情做了?他知道罪犯没钱给他, 他想博得社会同情,社会捐款可以盼望。以上纯属猜测。

amyz8299 : 2014-12-26#132
动机是你猜测的,你负责解释。
林父在加拿大逗留那么久,没有更好的事情做了?他知道罪犯没钱给他, 他想博得社会同情,社会捐款可以盼望。以上纯属猜测。
1, 事情本身已够悲惨,值得同情,不用博。
2,照你的逻辑,两年已足够长取得社会捐款,他得到了吗
3,对于父母,想得知真相,别说两年,就是二十年也未必调查清楚,更何况在两眼一抹黑的加拿大。
4, 你是不是想说,这个同性恋死了就死了,该着,谁让他是同性恋呢,丢人。
5, 你有权不喜欢同性恋,但并不等于同性恋死了活该。不值得同情。

luckca : 2014-12-26#133
一个专门负责跟踪假释的犯人的朋友告诉我们, 每个加拿大监狱里的犯人的开销人均十万加币每年!
这就是罪犯产业化,对GDP贡献良多。

luckca : 2014-12-26#134
动机是你猜测的,你负责解释。
林父在加拿大逗留那么久,没有更好的事情做了?他知道罪犯没钱给他, 他想博得社会同情,社会捐款可以盼望。以上纯属猜测。
小人之心,劣根性暴露无遗。

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#135
I have to disagree with this, and its not a satisfying enough answer for me. Which I suspected the answer wouldnt.

This photo was plastered all over the internet starting May 15, 2012. It was placed into about a 1:25 video and used to advertise and promote his gory video. It was posted to several video sharing websites, including YouTube and Vimeo.

Also, videos were not the only source of promotion using this picture. Magnotta also made blogs featuring the picture. One blog in particular was put up on May 15, 2012, called "One Lunatic, One Icepick Video". Promoting the grizzly video.

That blog was immediately taken off the internet. When I tried checking the internet archives for it, it no longer registered online by as early as June 1, 2012. There were no archives for it yet listed in May 2012. But I do have a copy of the blog in my own personal files
.

My question is who had the blog removed so fast? Police or did Magnotta take it down? I cant see Magnotta doing it really, as he didnt bother to remove anything else placed online. There is still plenty of incriminating evidence available online.

He also made another blog titled "One Lunatic, One Icepick", he made this using the same blogging service as the one mentioned above, BUT used the one for the UK. This was also made May 15, 2012, showing the promotional picture. This blog is also gone, but the UK version can still be viewed by using the internet archives.

There is also yet, a 3rd suspicious blog titled "Serial Killer Luka Magnotta 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick ". This blog was made June 8, 2012.

June 8, 2012 you say???!?! This cant be Luka Magnotta, he was arrested on June 4, 2012.

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#136
Not so fast! Luka Magnotta was known for using the scheduled posts feature on blog services. He not only used it for this one, but others as well. So in essence he made the blog post on a much earlier date technically, but had it posted on a specific date. This is why you find some strange postings by him AFTER his arrest date.

But not only is there that.... the June 8, 2012 blog is connected to the Alan Williams Google+, which also connected to the Alan Williams YouTube Channel. This is the YouTube channel that was opened up using the Alan Ford email address... this was the YouTube channel that 1 Lunatic, 1 Icepick was uploaded to privately. By private upload, only people with the link could view the video. So that there, is a direct link to the blog.

But with the PROPER Procedures by Police.... specific dates and more could have been narrowed down when the investigation was ongoing.

Blogger / Blogspot, which is one of the blogging services Magnotta used a lot, is connected to Google, just like YouTube is. The Google legal department told the police that they would need legal documentation from them to give them what they needed as far as the promotional videos goes on YouTube. This was mentioned in the Trial too.

Not to mention countless forum posts and such, days before the murder... many of which are dated May 15, 2012 and go into May 16, 2012.

I guess ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of these dates are some how wrong and not provable?

I will continue to call bullshit on this until someone of authority connected to the case elaborates more on why they apparently appeared to not press forward with offering at LEAST to GOOGLE the legal documentation they asked for to be able to provide them with what they needed for their investigation. The "Just Cause" is definitely there. So why didnt they press on?

One last point Id like to bring up....

Was this picture of Magnotta in front of the Casablanca poster with the icepick / screwdriver not found on his computer or in the camera he threw away? It was never mentioned either way in the trial. Was it not retrievable? IFFFFFF it was... they could of at least been able to figure out the DATE it was TAKEN... which I think is just as an important point to prove.

Interestingly enough... on one of Magnottas blogs that showed the picture in question. I was able to determine the name of the picture.... and the name was....

"lunatic1"

Only Magnotta would of named this picture that at the time of posting.

Now if I could figure out that very small, probably irrelevant piece of information out... just think what the police could of done.

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#137
montreal craigslist > personals > men seeking men


Movie - m4m - 26 (Montreal)


Date: 2012-05-24, 9:39AM EDT
Reply to: hpd3j-3035036102@pers.craigslist.org

I am looking for a sexy guy who is interested into becoming an actor in a personal movie I am making.

Please be between 18 and 35, good looking. I am making the movie for me, it's for fun, so I m not going to pay you anything.

if you are interested, send me your stats with a face pic and a body pic.

Remember, No pic= No answer

AND i am not looking for sex and No cock sucking.

* Location: Montreal
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

PostingID: 3035036102









The Craigslist user said he was repeatedly contacted by the person he believes is Magnotta between May 10 and 25 after posting several ads in the “men seeking men” section of the site.

“One of the communications included two pictures of what appeared to be Luka naked on a bed,” the man wrote when contacted by the Citizen. “I deleted them since those pictures were scary. He had big red lips, well-defined slim body with a six-pack.”

The user said the poses in the pictures were “weird” and that the person shown had a very feminine face.

“The first thing I thought when I saw them is, oh, boy, this guy had many cosmetic surgeries in the face. I said I was not interested, and this is when the guy started to threaten me.”

The same person used multiple accounts to send the Craigslist user about 20 different emails, many including photos of attractive young men.

The user deleted all the pictures a week ago because the person was threatening him and claimed to know his home address. He also sent “horrible pictures of an old man with diseases.”

The user said one of the online aliases the person used matched one mentioned in a Craigslist warning posted by another user. That user said he reported the man to Montreal police for criminal harassment, fraud and impersonation after receiving 30 emails, including those with photos of young, good looking men and “obnoxious photos of ugly old men.”

The warning was posted on May 24, the day before the gruesome video believed to depict the killing of a young Asian man in Montreal appeared online. “Garbage like this are mentally unstable and belong (sic) locked up with the rest of the unwanted animals,” it said.

Another Craigslist post on May 6 warned others to “watch out for this guy” and cited the same online alias.

“He has photos of good looking men to send to you,” the post said.

“Unfortunately none of these photos are him. Every day he sits on Craigslist sending out different fake photos to try and lure and entice good-looking young guys.

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#138
精神病医生为啥为他做无罪辩护,因为他一个小时价格就应该要600,人为了钱不要脸了,真是和凶手没什么区别!

All that the jury does not know, but you're going to learn


December 15, 2014


The psychiatrist Joel Watts had received a stamp of $26,100 for accompanied Luka Rocco Magnotta on his extradition in June 2012. This is equivalent to a salary of $ 490 per hour, even during his sleep.

"The jury is entitled to know that he had perhaps more than some jurors earn in a year," had launched the Crown to the judge during a non-jury.

Dr. Watts was originally $600 an hour, but it had come to accept a lower wage. Interestingly, he had been paid by the police, to then accept to evaluate Magnotta to defence.

However, judge Guy Cournoyer found that the salary of the expert was not relevant to the case, and the jury in never nothing knew.

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#139
Unanswered question: The other man in the video

One of the unanswered mysteries at the trial was the identity of the man who appeared in the first 53 seconds of "One Lunatic, One Ice Pick," the video that shows Lin's dismemberment. The man was with Magnotta less than one week before the killing.

Police never found him and he was only referred to in defence reports as a Colombian.

Leclair acknowledged at one point he had an idea of the man's identity, telling the judge he was "in custody."

The information came to light after the judge raised concerns about a Crown question about the man. The name still did not surface during the trial.

"This guy for your information is not from Canada," Leclair told the judge. "As far as I know, he's not in Canada."

The defence lawyer added: "I tried to get a hold of him too. I wanted him as much as the police wanted him."



Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/magnot...wasn-t-allowed-to-see-1.2149210#ixzz3N62KWTCK

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#140
谁能解释马尿和美国律师之间的邮件往来

马尿和美国律师2011年1月左右的来往邮件显示,马尿被一个叫做MANNY的人虐待并折磨,让他吃他的排泄物,并打他等40多项虐待,这表明马尿如何从一个受害者变成一个杀人狂魔的过程,但庭审并未找到此人。马去看精神病医生和此人有很多关系!


From: L M <luka99@gmail.com>
Date: January 4, 2011 5:18:25 PM EST
To: romeosalta@mac.com
Subject: re Luka Magnotta
and here is the photo of my abuse.From: L M
Date: January 6, 2011 1:26:37 PM EST
To: Romeo Salta
Subject: Detailed List of my Abuse
List of Abuse from Manny
1. made me drink alcohal when I didnt want to
2. forced me to smoke marijuana
3. made me watch shows I didnt want to watch and hit me when I
changed the channel
4. told me if I went to any doctors he would kill me, he said he was
always outside watching me.
5. strangled me with his hands and with electrical cord
6. stabbed me with a pencil and a pen
7. cut me with a knife because I wouldnt kiss his feet
8. hit me in the head with a hair spray bottle.
9. held my head in a bucket of water until I couldnt breath
10. punched me with his keys
11. forced me to drink his urine and eat his feces
12. spit in my face and on my Versace shirt
13. forced me to shave all my body hair off and then cut me with the
razor
14. slammed my hand in the freezer door
15. forced me to eat animal parts
16. punched me and kicked me in the groin
17. forced me to have sex with his puppy and numerous cats
18. bought worms and made me eat them19. anally and orally raped me numerous times
20. wrapped 100% of my body with plastic wrap and then cut a hole
and ejaculated down my throat and I choaked on his seamen.
21. made me cut his nails and if I didnt do it properly he beat me
22. verbally insulted me and called me horrible names like
cunt,pig,slut,whore and fag
23. stripped me of my dignity and made me feel isolated and alone
24. made me perform oral sex on a unknown woman even though I
didnt want to for a long time
25. tied me up with duct tape and forced me to listen to my favorite
song "Patience" at full volume while he fisted me in my anus.
26. made me brush his teeth for him and floss
27. he whipped me with my cellphone charger
28. made me have sex with him while I phoned my mother and
sister
29. he killed one of my cats by stepping on its head
30. he told me I belonged to him and would have to have sex
anytime he called and if I told anyone he would kill me and my
family because he said he had all their information.
31. he made me write dozens of love letters to him and make videos
of me saying I wanted to marry him.
32. he made me drink an unknown drink and I passed out and
when I woke up I was bruised and could hardly move
33. he said he knew private detectives who would hunt me down
and kill me if I ever disappeared
34. if i didnt perform oral sex the way he wanted me to then he
would pull my hair and punch me35. when he arrived at my place I was always to be naked and if I
wasnt I was beat
36. one time he made me go with him to Central Park and lick his
anus in public at night
37. he said if i didnt stare into his eyes while he had sex with me he
would cut my eyelids off and if I blinked he would insert his
penis very hard in my rectum which hurt
38. if I didnt wear the right cologne (dolce and gabana) he would
make me eat soap and call me a filthy bitch
39. I had to explain to him in detail about my sex life and if i left out
a part he would slap my face.
40. If I didnt call him master he would force me to sit in the dark
closet with a plastic bag over my head
41. also i was forced to dress in womens clothing and make up and
he made videos and photos of this even though I told him no
and he laughed.
42. Made me have sex with a black guy who was very well
endowed even though I didn't want to.
From: L M
Date: January 6, 2011 6:23:35 PM EST
To: Romeo Salta
Subject: re
Hey, here is another article outlining whos hunting me
down, http://www.examiner.com/pet-advocacy-in-national/are-wecloser-to-the-vacuum-kitten-killer
that was just posted.
Also I have included my enrollment agreement for Real Estate
College. Thanks and ill see you next week. Kind RegardsLuka MagnottaFrom: L M <luka99@gmail.com>
Date: January 12, 2011 12:59:33 AM EST
To: Romeo Salta <romeosalta@mac.com>
Subject: re
Hi Romeo, just wanted to let you know that the investigators know
who I am now, however im not worried and im just remaining calm.
Perhaps if things get any worse I should consider turning myself in,
only if they find out im in New York because right now they dont
know.
http://negotiationisover.com/2011/0...tic-kittenkiller-identified-as-gay-porn-star/
http://www.stopcrush.org/
Also, since the majority of organizations who are looking for me are
here in New York, Rescue Ink, Peta etc .... I would want the police to
give me protective custody, not only at Rikers, but also at any facility I
would be placed in.
Like I said though, everythings fine now, but if it gets alot worse then I
think my only option would be to go to the police and tell them
everything that happend to me, im sure once they realize I was
raped, beat and threatened with murder they will understand why.
oh ya I forgot, all this nonsense about this guy "Jamsey" being me is
just that...nonsense, what they are reporting that "jamsey" is my alias
and that im "involved with hurting children" is utterly rediculous and I
dont know anything about him or what these people are reporting.
Thanks and have a nice evening.
Luka
From: L M <luka99@gmail.com>
Date: January 14, 2011 9:42:40 PM EST
To: Romeo Salta <romeosalta@mac.com>
Subject: reHi Romeo,
He is outside my house again, also he has been calling me. It has also come
to my attention that my case is being investigated by the FBI and that several
people are working on my story.
Perhaps we can meet early in the week, Monday or Tuesday.
http://www.examiner.com/pet-advocacy-in-national/luka-magnotta-the-cats-eye-to-evil
http://www.anorak.co.uk/270417/strange-but-true/luka-magnotta-is-theyoutube-kitten-killer.html
http://www.apollo.lv/portal/news/articles/226315
http://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/criminal/aktivisty-facebook-vychislili-ubijcukotyat.d?id=36192832
Also, I would like to provide you with my mothers telephone number in case
im arrested. She has been getting messages on facebook from alot of people
who need to "urgently speak with Luka Magnotta" Also I have been getting
messages from people claiming to be law enforcement. I also had to shut
down my account because alot of private information was hacked.
1-705-313-XXXX
In case you need to phone her Anna
From: L M <luka99@gmail.com>
Date: January 21, 2011 3:14:25 PM EST
To: Romeo Salta <romeosalta@mac.com>
Subject: Re:
Hi Romeo,
I apolagise about the confusion. I tried calling you but got your
voicemail. So ill give you a quick update of what happened.
Manny took me from Manhattan. I phoned 911 quickly from
Manhattan and reported he was attempting to kidnap me. They took
the report on saturday the 15th. I dont understand why they didnt take it seriously and start looking for me? Because they did not take it
seriously I was raped again. He took me to Miami and made me drink
a bottle of gatorade and I passed out. I awoke in a nightclub and I
was forced by him to engage in sexual activity with two other people.
Cant the Manhattan ploce be sued because they didnt report me
missing ? I gave my full name and everything. I awoke on the beach
badly burned and very sore in my rectum and I was throwing up non
stop. Also I could hardly walk.
I called 911 and reported this in Miami Beach (south beach police)
they didnt take it seriously either. They became agressive in their
questioning of me and I advised them I need medical treatment for
my rape.
When i arrived to Mount Siani Hospital in Miami, they did tests,
however they noticed I was very groggy. So they asked me why and I
advised them I was drugged and raped. They again didnt take it
seriously and put me in a psychiatric ward for 24 hours, I explained
to them I have no mental illness and im not on any medication and im
not a threat to myself. They still held me.
I filed a complain with the hospital and told them I was victimized now
TWICE because noone belived me that ive been raped and then
ontop of that they threw me in the psych ward. I filed the complaint
today with the Hospital Review.
Now the hospital advised me that I need to go back to the police
station in Miami South Beach and file a complaint formally. I cannot
believe they didnt take me seriously and put me through all this. The
psych ward released me after 24hours and told me I was safe and
nothing was wrong with me...
The police need to take this seriously and stop acting like im making
this up... because of their actions I was raped. I just want to file the
report and come back to Manhattan and get this all over with. I have
more money for you and I think we should go to the police asap.
When you get this my cell is 347-574-XXXXP.S also they didnt believe me about ANY abuse even though I told
them I have photos. This guy is dangerous and if anything happens to
me I hope the cops are held responsible.
Thanks
Luka
From: L M <luka99@gmail.com>
Date: January 25, 2011 1:49:57 PM EST
To: Romeo Salta <romeosalta@mac.com>
Subject: Re
Hey Romeo, I hope your good. i just wanted to let you know so
far everythings good. I dont think i should go to the police
confessing anything right now. I am living in New jersey quietly
and I hope it stays that way. If things change or get really bad i
think thats when I should talk to the police. I am focusing on
making money because I know I will need it if there is a trial.
I have to get my life back and im working really hard on it. Im
staying away from dangerous people and i hope I can live as
quiet of a life as possible. I appreciate your help and if anything
comes up then I will call you right away. but for now I think its a
good idea to just focus on working and rebuilding my life. if
there is a trial or im arrested or anything gets worse ill call you
right away. Thanks for being so nice and helping me.
Take care and like i said ill call you right away if anything
happens.
Luka :)

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#141
Salta recalled that a frightened Magnotta first contacted him in December 2010 or early January 2011 over concerns police were closing in on him amid a swirl of animal-cruelty accusations.

At the time, animal-rights activists were already publicly accusing Magnotta of killing kittens in videos posted on the Internet — allegations he denied in a newspaper interview.

The Canadian Press obtained several emails Salta said he received from Magnotta over the weeks that followed their first meeting. All are dated from January 2011, more than a year before Lin’s death.

“I believe he denied intentionally harming any animal,” said Salta, who also met Magnotta in person three or four times.

“He just kept saying, ‘I like animals, I like animals, I like animals — I wouldn’t intentionally do anything to hurt an animal.’

But when it came to accusations against Manny, Salta says Magnotta was categorical.

In one email dated Jan. 6, 2011, Magnotta listed 42 abuses allegedly administered by Manny — many in graphic detail. He said he was subjected to bondage and torture.

The lawyer wasn’t even convinced that Manny existed, though he said he had the feeling Magnotta, a porn actor originally from Scarborough, truly believed the abuses had occurred.

“Whether or not they actually happened is another story,” he said, noting how at one point Magnotta had discoloration near one eye that he blamed on Manny.

Magnotta also sent Salta a photo that purportedly shows marks and bruises on his face.

Salta said Magnotta turned down his offers to help him file a complaint against Manny.

Magnotta wrote in another email that he was considering turning himself in after the animal-cruelty allegations surfaced on the Internet.

He wrote how he would want “protective custody” if he were ever sent to a detention facility, such as New York City’s Rikers Island. He even provided Salta with his mother’s phone number, just in case he was arrested.

Police did not have any arrest warrants at the time for Magnotta. There have been no reports of him being charged with animal abuse. The Toronto police force, however, has confirmed it began investigating Magnotta in February 2011 after it received animal-cruelty complaints.

Salta said Magnotta asked him to go public with his accusations against Manny if something ever happened to him.

“He wanted the story of his abuse made known if it’s at all relevant to anybody,” said Salta, who described Magnotta as very friendly but someone who showed little emotion.

Meanwhile CBC News reports that Jun Lin’s grieving mother says her son’s death has shattered her view of Canada.

Zhigui Du, who arrived in Montreal last month, says she now lives in fear and sometimes feels everyone she passes on the street looks like her son’s killer.

She adds that her son’s slaying has drastically altered her view of Canada, from a welcoming place that accepts immigrants to a place where “this heinous crime happened. It’s made me reconsider what kind of place this is.”

She also told the CBC that she doesn’t think Magnotta and her son had been in a relationship, but the truth will come out during the trial.

Lin’s parents said they are now trying to decide whether to put their son’s remains to rest in Montreal, a city their son loved, or take them back to China.

“We Chinese have an old saying: ‘Fallen leaves must go back to the root of the tree,’ ” she said.

Also on the Star:

Accused killer to face preliminary hearing in 2013

Luka Rocco Magnotta’s extradition to Canada called ‘exceptional’E

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#142
[cp]林俊被害视频中53秒的未识别的哥伦比亚男子,在庭审中并未出现,他有吸毒可卡因在和马尼奥的约炮中,马说第二天由于他神智不清帮他洗澡后送他出门,为何马尼奥不杀哥伦比亚人呢,控方城此人不在加拿大,又说此人在监狱中。马尼奥用大量PS照片吸引性伙伴意图谋害!马被举报假照片后改为招聘非性对象演员[/cp]

[cp]马尿和美国律师2011年1月左右的来往邮件显示,马尿被一个叫做MANNY的人虐待并折磨,让他吃他的排泄物,并打他等40多项虐待,这表明马尿如何从一个受害者变成一个杀人狂魔的过程,但庭审并未找到此人。马去看精神病医生和此人有

[cp]推测,前性工作者MB马尿奴10年以前认识MANNY主,付费嫖马并找人一起群P他在买阿迷,多次威胁强奸后马报案没人理财,后求助律师,律师不相信他,医生觉得他有臆想,11年多伦多住不下去躲到蒙特勒尔,决定做件大事是被迫还是用杀人来反抗? 还是被逼杀人,而幕后的人权利极大掩盖 [/cp]
[cp]马尿确实有证据照片被一个SM客人虐待报警无效后请律师,MANNY应是在美国环游卖B认识的一度纠缠不清,以至于案后被捕马尿账户依旧发评论,猜测马被威胁或者金钱诱惑在网络预演杀人吸引粉丝,而背后主谋应依旧逍遥法外啊。

[cp]请律师要花钱的,当马尼奥见律师提出需要法律保护后,他出门后中午回来付的300块美金现金最为律师费,那么可信度很高,没人2011年1月知道他会在15个月后杀掉林俊。他的悲剧,一个受害者,短短15个月变成了全球知名杀人狂魔,美国警察为啥不信他,不帮助他,他们也是杀死林俊的帮凶 [/cp]

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#143
小人之心,劣根性暴露无遗。
你的名字好像卢卡杀人犯

nicekey99 : 2014-12-27#144
一个公平公正的国家---加拿大...

erugigonc : 2014-12-27#145
一个公平公正的国家---加拿大...
[cp]美国一些媒体依旧说马尼奥是林俊伴侣,甚至一些大媒体,捕风捉影胡乱写吸引读者,一致于国内很多人对林俊被害归罪同性恋冰恋,庭审结束冤屈依旧没完全解开,法律解决马的未来,但并未给林俊一个清白。说不能确认如何相遇,一派胡言。他们知道林去拍片非性行为,马广告写的清楚。

nicekey99 : 2014-12-27#146
[cp]美国一些媒体依旧说马尼奥是林俊伴侣,甚至一些大媒体,捕风捉影胡乱写吸引读者,一致于国内很多人对林俊被害归罪同性恋冰恋,庭审结束冤屈依旧没完全解开,法律解决马的未来,但并未给林俊一个清白。说不能确认如何相遇,一派胡言。他们知道林去拍片非性行为,马广告写的清楚。

同意你的话。但我说的“公平公正”,是相对中国de一些地区而言。

banff : 2014-12-27#147
[cp]美国一些媒体依旧说马尼奥是林俊伴侣,甚至一些大媒体,捕风捉影胡乱写吸引读者,一致于国内很多人对林俊被害归罪同性恋冰恋,庭审结束冤屈依旧没完全解开,法律解决马的未来,但并未给林俊一个清白。说不能确认如何相遇,一派胡言。他们知道林去拍片非性行为,马广告写的清楚。
杀人犯被绳之以法,主要矛盾已经解决。至于还他清白,法庭估计鞭长莫及。

.............SNOWBEARBABY : 2014-12-27#148
[cp]美国一些媒体依旧说马尼奥是林俊伴侣,甚至一些大媒体,捕风捉影胡乱写吸引读者,一致于国内很多人对林俊被害归罪同性恋冰恋,庭审结束冤屈依旧没完全解开,法律解决马的未来,但并未给林俊一个清白。说不能确认如何相遇,一派胡言。他们知道林去拍片非性行为,马广告写的清楚。
清白是众人对某人的感觉,审判不可能去证明一个已死去的人的过去的想法。

马犯发的帖子在“MEN SEEK MEN”的栏目下。这个栏目什么样目的的人会去看,大家都明白。
广告已经强调不性,为什么林还会给人家传全裸的照片呢?(当然这是马犯所言,不可信)
马犯连他杀人都可以否认,他发的骗人广告用词又怎么可以当证据证明他“无性”是真的呢?

马犯寻找受害者很久,有人已经投诉他并且发出了警告。
林实在是太天真太大意了。

luckca : 2014-12-27#149
清白是众人对某人的感觉,审判不可能去证明一个已死去的人的过去的想法。

马犯发的帖子在“MEN SEEK MEN”的栏目下。这个栏目什么样目的的人会去看,大家都明白。
广告已经强调不性,为什么林还会给人家传全裸的照片呢?(当然这是马犯所言,不可信)
马犯连他杀人都可以否认,他发的骗人广告用词又怎么可以当证据证明他“无性”是真的呢?

马犯寻找受害者很久,有人已经投诉他并且发出了警告。
林实在是太天真太大意了。
被公鸡忽悠了,真把加国当天堂。
to sample。

schenvan : 2014-12-28#150
如果你认同同性恋跟异性恋具有相同的权利,如果你也有成年子女,可以想象一下自己的孩子谈恋爱被虐杀后你的感受。
假如我有同性恋子女,我自己都有杀他们的心;如能预知,宁可不生。同性恋必然是家族的耻辱,必被看做心理的残障。虽然不反对同性恋基本人权,但不能不打心底视为另类(歧视)。好多人说同性恋多么nice,好的变态杀手看起来也很nice。

erugigonc : 2014-12-28#151
假如我有同性恋子女,我自己都有杀他们的心;如能预知,宁可不生。同性恋必然是家族的耻辱,必被看做心理的残障。虽然不反对同性恋基本人权,但不能不打心底视为另类(歧视)。好多人说同性恋多么nice,好的变态杀手看起来也很nice。
仅凭这一句,你应该不属于一个好父母,虎毒不食子你因为子女是同性恋就要杀之,可见心胸险恶。
你怕被别人歧视就要杀人,你看来就不NICE有何必装一副正常人母人父的样子呢?

amyz8299 : 2014-12-28#152
别那么决对,同性恋是基因问题,以目前的认知程度,你是无法左右的,就象你不能左右生男还是生女。同性恋自古有之,我小时候看红楼梦,有一断宝玉与戏子蒋玉涵的爱昧描写,当时很不解,现在想想他们不就是同性爱昧吗。

erugigonc : 2014-12-28#153
朱梓骁以前是个网红,认识了郭敬明,被郭敬明举荐,拍了流星雨,才一炮而红,当时房子车子都是郭送的其实就是包养了他,当时两人博客还改了情侣名,朱太叛逆郭才和陈学冬好上,朱前男友陆立文报复性 曝了朱的床照,在这之前朱还被曝有一个前男友叫凯文杨。目前朱微博已被他改成一堆乱码,认证也已取消。

2014最后几天还这么多妖蛾子:1、飞机又失联了 2、郭敬明是朱梓骁前男友,陈学冬是小四现任3、赵本山涉黑被查 4、武媚娘被停播。信息量略大,吃包辣条冷静一下。

零下的浪漫 : 2014-12-28#154
假如我有同性恋子女,我自己都有杀他们的心;如能预知,宁可不生。同性恋必然是家族的耻辱,必被看做心理的残障。虽然不反对同性恋基本人权,但不能不打心底视为另类(歧视)。好多人说同性恋多么nice,好的变态杀手看起来也很nice。
果然恶毒!你信上帝就要去问问为什么他要造同性恋出来,不是神爱世人,人人平等吗?他造同性恋出来就是被你这样的人去歧视和厌弃,何来体现上帝之爱?

零下的浪漫 : 2014-12-28#155
朱梓骁以前是个网红,认识了郭敬明,被郭敬明举荐,拍了流星雨,才一炮而红,当时房子车子都是郭送的其实就是包养了他,当时两人博客还改了情侣名,朱太叛逆郭才和陈学冬好上,朱前男友陆立文报复性 曝了朱的床照,在这之前朱还被曝有一个前男友叫凯文杨。目前朱微博已被他改成一堆乱码,认证也已取消。

2014最后几天还这么多妖蛾子:1、飞机又失联了 2、郭敬明是朱梓骁前男友,陈学冬是小四现任3、赵本山涉黑被查 4、武媚娘被停播。信息量略大,吃包辣条冷静一下。
武媚娘为啥要停播啊?俺信息滞后了。

erugigonc : 2014-12-28#156
武媚娘为啥要停播啊?俺信息滞后了。

自电视剧《武媚娘传奇》被宣告暂时停播后,各方议论纷纷而起,28日下午主演兼出品方之一的范冰冰微博发出8个字“欲戴皇冠,必承其重”,疑似回应停播。 

schenvan : 2014-12-28#157
果然恶毒!你信上帝就要去问问为什么他要造同性恋出来,不是神爱世人,人人平等吗?他造同性恋出来就是被你这样的人去歧视和厌弃,何来体现上帝之爱?
神爱世人,神更是公义的,罪的代价就是死。给予同性恋基本人权不等于容忍其罪孽。

.............SNOWBEARBABY : 2014-12-28#158
朱梓骁以前是个网红,认识了郭敬明,被郭敬明举荐,拍了流星雨,才一炮而红,当时房子车子都是郭送的其实就是包养了他,当时两人博客还改了情侣名,朱太叛逆郭才和陈学冬好上,朱前男友陆立文报复性 曝了朱的床照,在这之前朱还被曝有一个前男友叫凯文杨。目前朱微博已被他改成一堆乱码,认证也已取消。

2014最后几天还这么多妖蛾子:1、飞机又失联了 2、郭敬明是朱梓骁前男友,陈学冬是小四现任3、赵本山涉黑被查 4、武媚娘被停播。信息量略大,吃包辣条冷静一下。
已经晕了,都哪儿是哪儿啊。

erugigonc : 2014-12-28#159
已经晕了,都哪儿是哪儿啊。
郭敬明都不认识?
同性恋

erugigonc : 2014-12-28#160
神爱世人,神更是公义的,罪的代价就是死。给予同性恋基本人权不等于容忍其罪孽。
罪孽很多异性恋,不也容忍好好的吗?对于人类罪孽有什么区别同性恋和异性恋

零下的浪漫 : 2014-12-29#161
神爱世人,神更是公义的,罪的代价就是死。给予同性恋基本人权不等于容忍其罪孽。
既然注定死路一条,为什么要创造出来?自相矛盾

schenvan : 2014-12-29#162
神爱世人,神更是公义的,罪的代价就是死。给予同性恋基本人权不等于容忍其罪孽。
既然注定死路一条,为什么要创造出来?自相矛盾
神创造了亚当夏娃,也创造了蛇和苹果树。

schenvan : 2014-12-29#163
罪孽很多异性恋,不也容忍好好的吗?对于人类罪孽有什么区别同性恋和异性恋
您对您的孩子成为同性恋兴高采烈吗?说真心话。

banff : 2014-12-29#164
别那么决对,同性恋是基因问题,以目前的认知程度,你是无法左右的,就象你不能左右生男还是生女。同性恋自古有之,我小时候看红楼梦,有一断宝玉与戏子蒋玉涵的爱昧描写,当时很不解,现在想想他们不就是同性爱昧吗。
同性恋真的是基因问题吗?若是,那么就是属于先天性的生长发育紊乱、如同先天性心脏病,是一种疾病。同样的,心脏病需要医治,基因引起的同性恋也需要医治。我感觉最好的方法末过于对患者实行变性手术,因为男人喜欢男人,把自己变成女人不就是合情合理了吗?女人同样。如果你说不,仍然想保持男人身体,那样恐怕已经完全是心理有问题,属于心理疾病了吧?是不是需要心理医生呢?

banff : 2014-12-29#165
神爱世人,神更是公义的,罪的代价就是死。给予同性恋基本人权不等于容忍其罪孽。
要说罪恶也是上帝反的罪恶。

经理 : 2014-12-29#166
总之,干什么都要注意安全,上下前后左右都会有危险

阿吾 : 2014-12-29#167
要说罪恶也是上帝反的罪恶。

神的创造6天就结束了,当初除了一男一女,并无同性恋,

男女结合,生儿育女,是神的祝福和希望,

神的这个「律」存在于人内心深处,你看即便是同性恋之间,绝大多数也是扮演着男女角色,也想要领养孩子,我相信人的本性是异性恋,

同性恋有基因的原因,有家庭环境原因等等,而这些跟人类的罪有关,就如同人类与当初神造人时差了10倍一样,自然界中許多反常或不自然現象存在,不代表是神的心意,天生也不代表是自然,

在神眼里,同性恋和 “淫乱的、拜偶像的、奸淫的、作娈童的、亲男色的、偷窃的、贪婪的、醉酒的、辱骂的、勒索的”,都是一样的罪,所以对同性恋没有必要那么厌恶,这个我想跟schenvan说的,想必你是主内的,

banff : 2014-12-29#168
我倒不厌恶同性恋者,只是认为他们是出于一种病态,需要治疗,需要大家的宽容。

erugigonc : 2014-12-29#169
您对您的孩子成为同性恋兴高采烈吗?说真心话。
罪不致死

erugigonc : 2014-12-29#170
我倒不厌恶同性恋者,只是认为他们是出于一种病态,需要治疗,需要大家的宽容。
这个依旧争论但已经合法,随他们去吧,重点是不能因为同性恋就罪该死

banff : 2014-12-29#171
没有人那么说吧?这里主要原因是林没有自我保护意识或者自我保护意识太弱,而凶手早就设置了陷阱,所以只能为他惋惜。凶手也已受制裁,即使千刀万剐也不能挽回了吧。
这个依旧争论但已经合法,随他们去吧,重点是不能因为同性恋就罪该死

erugigonc : 2014-12-29#172
没有人那么说吧?这里主要原因是林没有自我保护意识或者自我保护意识太弱,而凶手早就设置了陷阱,所以只能为他惋惜。凶手也已受制裁,即使千刀万剐也不能挽回了吧。
但是名誉可以给他一个公道的说法,北美很多媒体至于新加坡一些媒体都说是林俊的爱人杀死他,
人死了不能给受害者冤屈吧

amyz8299 : 2014-12-29#173
如果无害,为何医治,如果医治,后遗怔及效果又如何?如同我小时候,家长遇到左撇子,非得正过来。有意义吗?
同性恋真的是基因问题吗?若是,那么就是属于先天性的生长发育紊乱、如同先天性心脏病,是一种疾病。同样的,心脏病需要医治,基因引起的同性恋也需要医治。我感觉最好的方法末过于对患者实行变性手术,因为男人喜欢男人,把自己变成女人不就是合情合理了吗?女人同样。如果你说不,仍然想保持男人身体,那样恐怕已经完全是心理有问题,属于心理疾病了吧?是不是需要心理医生呢?

.............SNOWBEARBABY : 2014-12-29#174
被害死已经是最大的冤屈了。死后是非清白,也就是活着的亲人才在乎了。

amyz8299 : 2014-12-29#175
不必高兴,但要接受,接受与我们不同的人。谁也无权剥夺他们生存的权力,只因他们悬同性恋
您对您的孩子成为同性恋兴高采烈吗?说真心话。

banff : 2014-12-29#176
问题是你确定无害吗?即便如你所说无害,人家想改变性别也他们的自由,而且应该鼓励。
如果无害,为何医治,如果医治,后遗怔及效果又如何?如同我小时候,家长遇到左撇子,非得正过来。有意义吗?

erugigonc : 2014-12-29#177
问题是你确定无害吗?即便如你所说无害,人家想改变性别也他们的自由,而且应该鼓励。
何为无害,没伤害到你,都是无害。

如果涉及到你的利益,即便别人说无害,但对你来说也不可能不行动起来保卫自己的利益。
如果和你生活没有任何关系,同性恋唉啥恋有什么关系呢!

amyz8299 : 2014-12-29#178
问题是你确定无害吗?即便如你所说无害,人家想改变性别也他们的自由,而且应该鼓励。
他们害谁了?如果人家自己不想变性,难道旁人有权力告诉他们因为我不喜欢同性恋,你得变性。同性恋与我们不同之处主要在于与同性还是异性作爱,可这都是在私人领地进行的呀。难道你看到同性恋首先想到的是他们的作爱过程?除非你对异性恋者也如此对待。

erugigonc : 2014-12-30#179
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Luka Magnotta auditions for plastic surgery show

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erugigonc : 2014-12-30#180
马尼奥纪录片!

.............SNOWBEARBABY : 2014-12-30#181
好做作。

erugigonc : 2014-12-30#182
好做作。
整容多的人说话,内心都 变化很多,那种做作没整容过的人很难理解的