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历史数据分析,长期投资最佳组合

原文链接:https://forum.iask.ca/threads/922558/

阿吾 : 2021-03-17#1
历史显示长期投资最佳组合: 美国10年期国债 + 金子 + 美国小盘股 + 新兴市场股票
美国国债+金子是一类,美国小盘股与新兴市场股票是一类,稳健加激进。

现金与房地产都不是好投资。。

Conclusions

If you’re looking to maximize long-term diversification, the results over both periods suggest that partial allocations to emerging market stocks, U.S. intermediate-term bonds, gold, and U.S. small-cap stocks are the best bets, if history is any guide for the future. And because today’s post focused on rank statistics, we shouldn’t forget that the diversification benefits from these four assets may turn out to be mostly emotional benefits.

You may “feel better” about your portfolio by adding some of these four assets, particularly at times when they react positively (or less severely in a negative direction) to market gyrations as compared to other assets in your portfolio. However, the ranking statistics also show that some of these assets (gold and 10-year bond in particular) spend a lot of time in the bottom half of the ranks, which will be frustrating, particularly when it happens for many years.

The long-term returns (and ranks to some extent) also confirm that, if we set emotions aside, the most rational portfolio for long-term investors is almost any mixture of primarily U.S. stocks. And because mindful investors favor investing on rational, rather than emotional terms, rank statistics don’t support the idea of placing substantial bets on bonds or gold.

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Tianhai : 2021-03-17#2
可是我身边的华人,包括以前认识的华人朋友,大多数是握有房产和现金存款。
持有金子,做股票债券的其实很少,大概10%到15%的比例。可能我认识的人还是少,没有看到很多情况。

阿吾 : 2021-03-17#3
可是我身边的华人,包括以前认识的华人朋友,大多数是握有房产和现金存款。
持有金子,做股票债券的其实很少,大概10%到15%的比例。可能我认识的人还是少,没有看到很多情况。
现金与房子是我们很多华人的习惯。。。:)

阿吾 : 2021-03-17#4
The Callan Periodic Table of Investment Returns: Year-End 2020

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轩辕悬 : 2021-03-17#5
历史显示长期投资最佳组合: 美国10年期国债 + 金子 + 美国小盘股 + 新兴市场股票
美国国债+金子是一类,美国小盘股与新兴市场股票是一类,稳健加激进。

现金与房地产都不是好投资。。

Conclusions

If you’re looking to maximize long-term diversification, the results over both periods suggest that partial allocations to emerging market stocks, U.S. intermediate-term bonds, gold, and U.S. small-cap stocks are the best bets, if history is any guide for the future. And because today’s post focused on rank statistics, we shouldn’t forget that the diversification benefits from these four assets may turn out to be mostly emotional benefits.

You may “feel better” about your portfolio by adding some of these four assets, particularly at times when they react positively (or less severely in a negative direction) to market gyrations as compared to other assets in your portfolio. However, the ranking statistics also show that some of these assets (gold and 10-year bond in particular) spend a lot of time in the bottom half of the ranks, which will be frustrating, particularly when it happens for many years.

The long-term returns (and ranks to some extent) also confirm that, if we set emotions aside, the most rational portfolio for long-term investors is almost any mixture of primarily U.S. stocks. And because mindful investors favor investing on rational, rather than emotional terms, rank statistics don’t support the idea of placing substantial bets on bonds or gold.

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你说的好投资,我一个都没有,现金和房产占了我90%以上的配置:wdb4:

周雅 : 2021-03-17#6
美国小盘股 + 新兴市场股票都是相当不稳定的东东吧, 你说的是美国小盘股ETF + 新兴市场股票ETF?

周雅 : 2021-03-17#7
你说的好投资,我一个都没有,现金和房产占了我90%以上的配置:wdb4:
房姐2 ?

阿吾 : 2021-03-17#8
美国小盘股 + 新兴市场股票都是相当不稳定的东东吧, 你说的是美国小盘股ETF + 新兴市场股票ETF?
这个分析应该说的不是ETF,
美国小盘股 + 新兴市场是激进收益高的,国债与金子是稳健的,

Aidemengdun : 2021-03-17#9
现金与房子是我们很多华人的习惯。。。:)
可是我身边的华人,包括以前认识的华人朋友,大多数是握有房产和现金存款。
持有金子,做股票债券的其实很少,大概10%到15%的比例。可能我认识的人还是少,没有看到很多情况。
华人投资房产的还是占多数,其实原因我觉得也简单

数据和图标是对的。没错的。
但是忽视了很大的一点:因为投资房子不需要你投入所有的付款,你只需要付出20%首付。如果这样看到数据表格,可以把收益率计算成4-5倍。
这还只是投资房产租金的收入,如果包括房产增值的收入,不会比投资股市场差。

当然热门的市场。租金就不要想了,只能期望房产增值的部分。

阿吾 : 2021-03-17#10
你说的好投资,我一个都没有,现金和房产占了我90%以上的配置:wdb4:
昨天我说啥来着,要轧金子 :)
今天老鲍讲话,2年不加息(真的吗?),市场大松一口气,
国债继续飙升,美元下跌,金子上涨,

轩辕悬 : 2021-03-17#11
房姐2 ?
我想这是绝大部分华人,或者至少是很大部分华人共同的理财模式吧?🤭

轩辕悬 : 2021-03-17#12
昨天我说啥来着,要轧金子 :)
今天老鲍讲话,2年不加息(真的吗?),市场大松一口气,
国债继续飙升,美元下跌,金子上涨,
你不说是逗我玩儿的嘛?!我刚准备下手轧金子,一看你说着玩儿的,立马收回来了。这要真造成了损失,你会不会感到特内疚啊?:LOL:

阿吾 : 2021-03-17#13
你不说是逗我玩儿的嘛?!我刚准备下手轧金子,一看你说着玩儿的,立马收回来了。这要真造成了损失,你会不会感到特内疚啊?:LOL:
市场瞬息万变,一月份以来金子跌的很惨,
目前还真不好说,金子会上涨,上涨到哪里。。。

轩辕悬 : 2021-03-17#14
市场瞬息万变,一月份以来金子跌的很惨,
目前还真不好说,金子会上涨,上涨到哪里。。。
我知道市场很难说,我也知道投资不能问别人的意见,因为谁也担不起这个责任。我就是说着玩儿的:p

黄金其实也可以考虑,少买点儿买着玩儿呗,跟家园币差不多,我要想在TFSA里买黄金,直接打电话到TD让理财顾问帮忙买就行了吗?不用开通什么账户?

阿吾 : 2021-03-17#15
我知道市场很难说,我也知道投资不能问别人的意见,因为谁也担不起这个责任。我就是说着玩儿的:p

黄金其实也可以考虑,少买点儿买着玩儿呗,跟家园币差不多,我要想在TFSA里买黄金,直接打电话到TD让理财顾问帮忙买就行了吗?不用开通什么账户?
黄金的ETF与普通ETF一样,不需要

轩辕悬 : 2021-03-17#16
黄金的ETF与普通ETF一样,不需要
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ggpp74 : 2021-03-17#17
Canada escaped the major post-2008 collapse in house prices which took place in Europe and the U.S. House prices have risen almost continuously for 18 years:

  • From Q1 2000 to Q1 2009, house prices rose by 79% (49% inflation-adjusted), due to low interest rates and economic growth.
  • From Q2 2009 to Q3 2012, house prices increased by another 24% (17% inflation-adjusted), despite government efforts to cool the housing market.
  • From Q4 2012 to Q4 2015, tighter mortgage rules implemented in July 2012 helped calm the market, but house prices still rose by around 15.7% (10.8% inflation-adjusted).
  • From 2016 to 2020, house prices surged by almost 40% (28.4% inflation-adjusted).
Canada house price index

Chinada : 2021-03-17#18
绝大部分人只有靠房产赚到了大钱,因为
第一,有低息的贷款杠杆
第二,没有骚操作,买了就老老实实拿着

ggpp74 : 2021-03-17#19
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ggpp74 : 2021-03-17#20
房子长期看整体在涨,黄金看买在哪个时间段,如果在2011-2012 买的黄金,刚能解套

ggpp74 : 2021-03-17#21
即使不考虑房价的上涨,如果能有正现金流,买房子好像心里更踏实

ggpp74 : 2021-03-17#22
如果在2000年买的黄金,2011 年卖掉,收益也很不错。

阿吾 : 2021-03-17#23
看来不少人对房地产收益率低的说法不满意,俺觉得好像也不该这么低,
看到文章里说,房地产的回报率是按照 shiller U.s home price index 算的,
美国当年房地产跌的很惨,这么看,我觉得数据是对的,
而加拿大房地产没那么那么跌过。。。

(Note that real estate returns here are measured by changes in the Shiller U.S. home price index; they are not real estate stock [REITs] returns.)




In this type of graph, shorter bars indicate better returns because, in any given year, the top-ranked asset gets a value of 1 and the bottom-ranked asset gets a value of 13. Higher ranks are shown by proportionally thinner blocks within each bar, and lower ranks are shown by proportionally thicker blocks.

The graph shows that U.S. mid-cap stocks had the best (lowest) cumulative rank, which is the sum of ranks across all 26 years. Cumulative rank gives us a way to see how various assets ranked over the entire period, rather than focusing on one year at a time. After U.S. mid-cap stocks, U.S. large-cap, small-cap, and large-cap value stocks had the best ranking history. And cash and real estate had the worst ranking history. (Note that real estate returns here are measured by changes in the Shiller U.S. home price index; they are not real estate stock [REITs] returns.)

The annual building blocks in each bar of the above graph provide some sense of how ranks have varied over time for each asset. We can further quantify that variability with this graph showing the average (blue bars) and standard deviation (green error bars) of the annual ranks for each asset.



Shiller U.S. home price index


soleil_lee-太阳李 : 2021-03-18#24
贵金属上下波动很厉害的,我买贵金属基金十几年,日涨跌5%根本不稀奇。作为基金日涨跌算较大的,怎么会属于稳健投资呢。
债券的话,大多数人虽然没有直接买,但是银行卖的稳健类平衡类基金多少都会含一定的比例。