判决书第36段对Caips显示1的人有帮助。可单独要求法庭给mandamus

[Les Paradis]

[36] Finally, the applicants submit that there must be some individualized decision so that the
applicants could seek judicial review in the event that their application was terminated in error. I
disagree. An applicant may apply to this Court for an order of mandamus to compel the Minister to
process an application which had been identified as terminated if in fact a positive selection decision
had been made. The Court will then determine whether the application is in fact caught by section
87.4. If not, then it was never terminated (only mistakenly classified as terminated) and an order for
mandamus may follow. Accordingly, applicants have a process for redress if their application is
identified as terminated in error.

 

[Les Paradis]

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“The only optimistic portion of the decision is at paragraph 36 where he held that those who believe that their file was not properly closed may ask the Federal Court to require CIC to prove that no officer had assessed the file. Clearly if SELDEC has a 1 or a 4, the file remains open. However, if the file had been paper-screened, it is possible that the file is still open IF the person doing the paper-screening was an officer, as opposed to only a clerk.


如果SELDEC 有1或4，你的文件就是开放的没有关闭

如果你的文件被paper-screened，做paper-screen的人是VO而不是clerk，那么你的案子就可能没有关闭

So, how can you tell? Not easily. First, your file must have been updated at some point. If so, do an access request (for $5) for the CAIPS notes. If they show a paper-screening; i.e., either the points are delineated or PDEC has a 1 (or anything but a zero), the file will have been paper-screened. If so, filing a court case, asking that CIC be ordered to finalize the case will require CIC to prove that the person who made the paper-screening assessment was not an officer.

查caips能看出你的案子有没有被paper-screened

如果有，就能立案要求法庭命令CIC处理完你的案子，这需要CIC证明给你做Paper-screening评估的不是一个VO

The odds are that it was a clerk but, in smaller visa posts, officers sometimes do paper-screening. In addition, the clerk who did so might subsequently have become an officer. In which case, the file will have been assessed before March 29th 2012 by an officer.”

 

[Les Paradis]

回复: 判决书第36段对Caips显示1的人有帮助。可单独要求法庭给mandamus

这个情况指的是3月29前有打分的但因为操作失误，被划分为一刀切的案子。tss小肥羊很可能就是这个情况。

ME被切的全部是329后打分SD的，所以和这一段没有关系。

从未补料和未S2的大部队更没有任何关系。

 

[雾霾和计划生育都害人]

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329前s2的有打分（应该visa officer打分）但没有selection decision等人，尤其是北京的难兄难弟，看样子和329后ME一样，还有 room for debate!

 

[Les Paradis]

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329前s2的有打分（应该visa officer打分）但没有selection decision等人，看样子和329后ME一样，还有 room for debate!

S2的大部分人都不能从这里受益。只有极少数人能。具体情况需要查查caips，再给律师看看。

 

[workhard24]

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这个情况指的是3月29前有打分的但因为操作失误，被划分为一刀切的案子。tss小肥羊很可能就是这个情况。

ME被切的全部是329后打分SD的，所以和这一段没有关系。

从未补料和未S2的大部队更没有任何关系。

我的情况有些不同，我的是3月29前有打分的，但当时的评分不够67分，后来通过“Substituted Evaluation(替代性评估）”通过了，PSDEC=1,SELDEC=2。

 

[Les Paradis]

回复: 判决书第36段对Caips显示1的人有帮助。可单独要求法庭给mandamus

我的情况有些不同，我的是3月29前有打分的，但当时的评分不够67分，后来通过“Substituted Evaluation(替代性评估）”通过了，PSDEC=1,SELDEC=2。

那你的案子有价值单独做啊，早就不应该和那么多人扎堆在一起。假如朱飞也和大部队混在一起，根本没可能成功。

这个替代性评估让你最终通过，那就很显然是VO的人为操作问题导致你的案子被拖进了87。4的深渊。你这个情况完全比329后打分得到selection decision而ME被切的有优势！

当然在这个判决书还没发布之前，你并不知道自己有优势，因为这段话还没有被法官说出来。

 

[Les Paradis]

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再来看看LIANG里为什么要case by case评估呢？因为并不是所有人的情况都完全一样！

既然不一样，那就不能把千奇百怪的个案打包在一起一股脑地去告，没有主次轻重的案子胜算会很小！

 

[C-C]

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caips是什么？怎么查？被加国人给搞懵了！

 

[Les Paradis]

回复: 判决书第36段对Caips显示1的人有帮助。可单独要求法庭给mandamus

caips是什么？怎么查？被加国人给搞懵了！

Ni 什么情况？如果你从没收到通知要求补料，就没有必要查了，对这类案子没任何作用

 

[hjf010126]

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91曲终人散算了!

 

[jn凡凡]

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“The only optimistic portion of the decision is at paragraph 36 where he held that those who believe that their file was not properly closed may ask the Federal Court to require CIC to prove that no officer had assessed the file. Clearly if SELDEC has a 1 or a 4, the file remains open. However, if the file had been paper-screened, it is possible that the file is still open IF the person doing the paper-screening was an officer, as opposed to only a clerk.


如果SELDEC 有1或4，你的文件就是开放的没有关闭

如果你的文件被paper-screened，做paper-screen的人是VO而不是clerk，那么你的案子就可能没有关闭

So, how can you tell? Not easily. First, your file must have been updated at some point. If so, do an access request (for $5) for the CAIPS notes. If they show a paper-screening; i.e., either the points are delineated or PDEC has a 1 (or anything but a zero), the file will have been paper-screened. If so, filing a court case, asking that CIC be ordered to finalize the case will require CIC to prove that the person who made the paper-screening assessment was not an officer.

查caips能看出你的案子有没有被paper-screened

如果有，就能立案要求法庭命令CIC处理完你的案子，这需要CIC证明给你做Paper-screening评估的不是一个VO

The odds are that it was a clerk but, in smaller visa posts, officers sometimes do paper-screening. In addition, the clerk who did so might subsequently have become an officer. In which case, the file will have been assessed before March 29th 2012 by an officer.”

我属于这种情况。请问这些话原文出自哪里，好象不是判决书里的，出自Tim信？没收到呢

 

[Les Paradis]

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我属于这种情况。请问这些话原文出自哪里，好象不是判决书里的，出自Tim信？没收到呢

Tim在这里发的：

http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Just...=.nmp_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1.gmp_73790

你赶紧联系他吧。我早就觉得你可能属于这种情况。叫TIM单独给你立案，为你一人申请Mandamus

 

[chaoszr]

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TIM是不是快复出了?

 

[tss]

回复: 判决书第36段对Caips显示1的人有帮助。可单独要求法庭给mandamus

刚找到家园网密码登上来，谢谢moi提供信息，查了下CAIPS文件，我的PSDEC变1是08-11-2010， SELDEC变1是09-05-2012，妥妥的一刀切对象。属于与康尼不共戴天的那一类案子。

这个情况指的是3月29前有打分的但因为操作失误，被划分为一刀切的案子。tss小肥羊很可能就是这个情况。

ME被切的全部是329后打分SD的，所以和这一段没有关系。

从未补料和未S2的大部队更没有任何关系。

 

[Les Paradis]

回复: 判决书第36段对Caips显示1的人有帮助。可单独要求法庭给mandamus

刚找到家园网密码登上来，谢谢moi提供信息，查了下CAIPS文件，我的PSDEC变1是08-11-2010， SELDEC变1是09-05-2012，妥妥的一刀切对象。属于与康尼不共戴天的那一类案子。

因为有你这样意志坚定的TX，我觉得这件事很有意义。

也许再过几个月我会来得比较少了，但这个官司我会一直关心到最后。

其实时间过的很快，打到最高法院也就一年时间（从现在算起）。

在这期间还会有其他团队的官司的结果传来，所以不会很冷清的。

 

[Les Paradis]

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TIM是不是快复出了?

已经复出了。

 

[chaoszr]

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TIM倒是很敬业，策略也多。不过总感觉他跟CIC过去一年的这几个回合较量就像司马懿和诸葛亮过招总是最后差半拍儿，有的时候很被动。

 

[smilon]

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我的PSDEC=0,SELDEC=0,虽然S2了，还是没有戏。

 

[Les Paradis]

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我的PSDEC=0,SELDEC=0,虽然S2了，还是没有戏。

原来这就是S2了但没打分的状态啊

S2了被切的大部分都是这样的。所以这一条判决受益的人非常少。