7年内炒过大多大温楼花? 小心了,CRA国税局开始全面严格征税罚款

Tax auditors target condo sellers in hunt for ‘flippers’
http://www.thestar.com/business/rea...arget_condo_sellers_in_hunt_for_flippers.html

Aug 29 2013
They’re looking primarily for people who bought condos before they were built, intending to flip them for a profit as soon as the project is complete.

A Toronto tax lawyer is warning realtors — and people who’ve bought and sold new condos over the past seven years — that they could become unwitting victims of what he calls “abusive audit practices” by the Canada Revenue Agency.

Tax auditors have been targeting the once red-hot Toronto and Vancouver real estate markets, looking primarily for people who bought condos before they were built, intending to flip them for a profit as soon as the project is complete.

Some folks have received tax bills on the full gains. About 250 buyers in Toronto and Vancouver have been asked to refund GST and HST rebates on homes that auditors have deemed aren’t being used as primary residences.

Even some with no history of buying and selling multiple properties are being treated as if they are flippers and slapped with tax bills on 100 per cent of the gains, plus 50 per penalties, said Kitchener tax lawyer James Rhodes.
 
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哈哈,你又拣到稻草了。
 
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偶从不买楼花,赚了钱老实交税,这个稻草太轻
 
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无论二手房还是新房,都不要“炒”/flip ,一是很难赚到钱,二是税务风险太大。

新楼刚交付,CRA就会盯住MLS,看谁出来卖。炒房证据太明显。

多伦多星报,4月13日已经提醒过一次了,自己的投资收益都交了税,不值得。http://www.thestar.com/business/per...onto_condo_sales_face_tough_tax_scrutiny.html

以多伦多为例,目前CONDO平均每尺租金已经到达2.35元,管理费0.4-0.6元左右,平均贷款利率3.25%,下面这篇文章也建议投资人持有,而不是炒房。http://forum.iask.ca/showthread.php?t=663816

很多来申请楼花贷款的朋友,我都建议他们做2-3年固定利率的贷款,至少要持有一段时间,否则会被定义为炒房,被征收较高的税。
 
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如果是被定义成flip,资本利得(capital gain) 收益需要100%上税;如果被定义为投资,资本利得(capital gain) 50% 上税。

23万买的2009年买的楼花,2013年交房时市值30万,如果立刻卖掉,会被认为是flip,7万元资本利得都需要上税。如果持有一段时间,此间出租出去,收取租金,卖出时31万,则8万资本利得的50%,即,4万元需要交纳资本利得税。

另外,在安省和BC购买新房,还要交HST/GST,如果是自住房,会退回HST/GST,如果是出租房,要填写GST/HST524表,申请退回GST/HST/退税. 如果拿到了GST/HST退税之后,立刻卖房,会被认为是炒房,而不是投资,税局会追讨已经发放的退税,并被课以罚款。看看下面这个新闻吧。

投资楼花,要找专业人士咨询,懂行的会计师,是必备的。

http://www.thestar.com/business/per...onto_condo_sales_face_tough_tax_scrutiny.html

Some sellers of new Toronto condos are seeing years of price gains in a booming market taxed away. Canada Revenue Agency auditors have added penalties to taxes for those who claimed their condo as a home, but soon changed their minds and sold.

The CRA has yet to disclose how many sellers have been affected. But Toronto tax lawyer and text author David Sherman and other tax experts, accuse auditors of unfairly ignoring some legitimate explanations for sales. Meanwhile, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty wants the CRA to collect more than $500 million extra from suspected tax cheats this year.

“The auditors have applied a rare 50 per cent penalty for ‘gross negligence,’ even on those who had never owned a condo previously,” says Sherman.

Sam Papadopoulos, a CRA spokesman, said the agency chooses areas to audit based on “current and emerging risks to the tax base.” The CRA is looking at real estate because of the recent condo boom “for which we have discovered non-reporting of taxable income – builder GST/HST housing rebates and capital gains/income in sales of real property.”

He added that auditors look at such things as the seller’s intention, the type of property they sold, the frequency of purchase and sales, why they sold and how the purchase and sales fit with the person’s ordinary business. He said auditors do not receive bonuses to encourage them to perform more audits.

Canada has three tiers of tax treatment for real estate sales — no tax on a principal residence, tax on half a gain from selling a recreational, rental or other investment property, and full taxation for making a business of buying and selling — known colloquially as flipping.

Also read: Selling a condo? Beware the taxmanSelling a condo? Beware the taxman

Lawyer James Rhodes of TaxationLawyers in Kitchener says some auditors are alleging sellers are making quick flips if the time between the registration of a condo and its sale is short. This is even though they may have bought the condo years previously, before construction started.

“If someone signed a purchase agreement 10 years ago to buy a condo, but then sold it the day after the condo was finally registered, the CRA would say that person sold the condo as a quick flip because they only owned it one day,” he says.

“The CRA doesn’t seem to care that a person’s circumstances might have changed over the ten years, such that they don’t want to live in the condo anymore.”

One of Rhodes’ clients was single when he bought a condo in downtown Toronto in 2005. By 2009 he was engaged, and his fiancée wanted to be closer to her work in Guelph. So, he sold it, soon after it was registered.

An auditor decided that the sale so soon after registration was suspicious, and so was the original choice of a two-bedroom apartment: “There is no reason to purchase a two bedroom condominium for one person,” he claimed.

Rhodes says his client was assessed with over $100,000 of business income, resulting in a tax bill of roughly $50,000. He also faced a $25,000 penalty.

“I estimate the cost to take this to the Tax Court (of Canada) will be around $10,000 to $15,000.”

A married chartered accountant waited five years for a new 935-square-foot condo unit to be built at Bloor and Jarvis Streets. But she decided after living there 15 days in 2011 it was simply too cramped.

“We would have had to turn the entire second bedroom into a closet,” she explained. “My husband would have had to watch television in the living room.”

They changed their plans, kept their old family home, but claimed the condo as a principal residence for the time they owned it. (It is permissible to claim different homes as one’s principal residence, just not two at the same time.)

A CRA auditor has ordered her to pay $72,000 of tax, and a $36,000 penalty, on a $150,000 price gain. She had already looked into CRA practices and wrote March 18 to ask Minister of National Revenue, Gail Shea, to order an investigation.
 
回复: 7年内炒过大多大温楼花? 小心了,CRA国税局开始全面严格征税罚

加拿大是住的。炒房还是香港最理想。等等等。等到街上血流成河的时候,大抄一把。每10年狠抄一两次,够你加拿大享清福的了。老外不懂亚洲,我们就没必要放弃自己的优势了吧?
 
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加拿大是住的。炒房还是香港最理想。等等等。等到街上血流成河的时候,大抄一把。每10年狠抄一两次,够你加拿大享清福的了。老外不懂亚洲,我们就没必要放弃自己的优势了吧?

我就在香港蹲着呢,现在是房价和租金同时下跌,豪宅是重灾区,有价无市
 
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我就在香港蹲着呢,现在是房价和租金同时下跌,豪宅是重灾区,有价无市

不急。等周围人哀鸿遍野,政府180度转弯时你就开心了。还有几年,准备弹药吧。哈哈。Pigs get slaughtered.
 
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大傻不打自招了,你不是一直讲楼市是降、赔吗?既然楼市一直是降还怕什么查?
 
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大傻不打自招了,你不是一直讲楼市是降、赔吗?既然楼市一直是降还怕什么查?

还需要GF教育你大温房市是在一两年前才开始走下坡的吗?

richmo 同学没读主帖吗? 国税局查的是过去7年。
 
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GF,那你目前觉得大温什么时候入市好? 明年年底? 后年
我纯粹问,不会以此做为买卖的依据也不会以此故意来攻击你. 主要是看你的一直分析,所以想问问.
知道情况不断变化,就目前来说,听听你的分析..
(基本上楼市就是中国人的另一个政治辩论会,都是你死我活的境界)我是观众:wdb6:
 
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先不讨论楼市下跌,单单最近的加币贬值,就足够炒房的折腾了。
 

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先不讨论楼市下跌,单单最近的加币贬值,就足够炒房的折腾了。

炒房要选币种有升值预期的,现在的加拿大不符合这个条件
如果有资金还在这儿转,一是自主自用,二是资产配置而已
 
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还降呢?今天去看了个open house那人多的像菜市场,明天准备让经纪带着再去看一次然后下offer,说实话能不能抢到都悬.房子,街道,周边环境基本上找不出毛病.这样的房子你还想降,不加钱抢就算你占大便宜了.还做梦跌呢?该醒醒了吧.
 

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