70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

以前的资料找不到了,但我印象深刻,结果是:
2。白先生全输。按60万未报收入算。
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还有一个问题可以思考,如果CRA启动对白先生刑事指控,也提供同样多的证据,那白先生还会输吗?我想,白先生肯定不会输。
 
最后编辑: 2012-09-18
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

言归正传,来谈汇款


其实CRA还有一个比 net worth更扯蛋的方法来审计:bank deposit Analysis.这又是一个啥东西呢?它的根本假设是:对个人账号上的所有汇进款假设成个人收入。当然能证明是个人不同帐户之间的转帐的金额除外,能证明是借款的除外,能证明别人很早前欠债还你的除外。很显然,都是你自己举证,且最终得到法庭采信的才算数。
举个例子:CRA用这种方法来审计你2010年的收入,你在加拿大有三个银行账户,2010年,这三个账户共有50万进项,其中有10万是这三个账户之间的相互转账。好了,CRA就可按50-10=40万算你的应报收入。剩下的就是你的事了:举证到法庭。

如果net worth这种方法受到诟病,那Bank Deposit Analysis就更不受欢迎了,事实上,CRA运用这二种方法还不少,特别是net worth.

看看法官是如何说的:
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[11] . . . The two most frequently used methods are commonly referred to as the net worth method and the deposit method. Under the net worth method, the auditor begins with a calculation of the taxpayer’s net assets (assets less liabilities) at the beginning of the relevant period. The same calculation is made at the end of the relevant period. The increase in net worth plus the estimated cost of living for the taxpayer and the taxpayer’s dependants less the declared income of the taxpayer and the taxpayer’s partner, if any, is assumed to be the amount of undeclared income of the taxpayer.

[12] The deposit method is based on an analysis of all deposits made in all of the taxpayer’s bank accounts. Deposits are assumed by the Minister to constitute taxable revenue. Net income is determined by subtracting transfers of funds among the taxpayer’s bank accounts and also borrowings by the taxpayer. The deposit method has been accepted by this Court as an appropriate alternative audit technique.
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[21] In “Anatomy of a Net Worth Assessment”, David E. Graham comments that the net worth method often produces a more reliable picture of the taxpayer’s income than the deposit method:

Generally, deposit analyses are not as accurate a method of calculating income as net worth assessments. A deposit analysis may not adequately examine where the money that was deposited into the bank accounts came from (which could result in over taxation) and, similarly, a deposit analysis may omit money that never enters the bank account (which could result in under taxation). Taxpayers who are faced with a deposit analysis, should be careful to ensure that transfers from their other bank accounts have not been treated as deposits.[2]
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所以,汇款是用自己名字汇,还是用亲戚朋友名字汇,各有利弊。

在CRA 用net worth方法下,用亲戚朋友名字汇有利。
在CRA 用deposit analysis方法下,用自己名字汇有利。
问题是你汇的时候不可能知道,以后会否被CRA审计,而且,审计方法有很多种,不可能知道她用何种方法来审计你。
根本的一条:留个心眼,保留必要的凭证。
 
最后编辑: 2012-09-18
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

言归正传,来谈汇款


其实CRA还有一个比 net worth更扯蛋的方法来审计:bank deposit Analysis.这又是一个啥东西呢?它的根本假设是:对个人账号上的所有汇进款假设成个人收入。当然能证明是个人不同帐户之间的转帐的金额除外,能证明是借款的除外,能证明别人很早前欠债还你的除外。很显然,都是你自己举证,且最终得到法庭采信的才算数。
举个例子:CRA用这种方法来审计你2010年的收入,你在加拿大有三个银行账户,2010年,这三个账户共有50万进项,其中有10万是这三个账户之间的相互转账。好了,CRA就可按50-10=40万算你的应报收入。剩下的就是你的事了:举证到法庭。

如果net worth这种方法受到诟病,那Bank Deposit Analysis就更不受欢迎了,事实上,CRA运用这二种方法还不少,特别是net worth.

亲戚朋友赠送1个亿要收税?或者说父母财产提前转移要打税?T1有空格填吗
 
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回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

如果在第一次申报海外资产时,多报点应收欠款行么?
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

如果在第一次申报海外资产时,多报点应收欠款行么?

海外资产不是全部资产,自报产生收入的资产,不产生收入的不报,欠款不抵税,只有跟收入相关的欠款抵税,比如你贷款100亿开了公司,贷款的几百万利息抵税
 

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回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

亲戚朋友赠送1个亿要收税?或者说父母财产提前转移要打税?T1有空格填吗

加拿大四大免税所得:

赠与所得、遗产所得、博彩所得、用税后收入购买的保险赔付所得。

以上四种免税所得,并不需要反映在T1税表上,你想反映也找不到空格。
 

唐人Jason

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回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

如果在第一次申报海外资产时,多报点应收欠款行么?

还是那句话,如果“申报海外资产”的意思是向加拿大政府报告你在加拿大以外拥有什么以及多少财产的话,那么忘掉这件事吧,这是个大大的讹传。

如果“申报海外资产”的意思是填报T1135(《外国收入核对表》)的话,那么此表必须依法真实、完整、准确填报。编造数据属严重违法行为,对纳税人没有任何积极意义。

还有那句话,在加拿大,违法的代价远远大于你从违法行为所获得的好处,违法纯属赔钱买卖,如果你是生意人,这个帐应该很容易算得过来的。
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

http://decision.tcc-cci.gc.ca/en/2000/2000tcc981087/2000tcc981087.html

上面台湾人的故事,我找到资料了,那不是故事,是案例了,还找到一堆华人被用net worth or bank Deposit analysis方法审计的案例。有一个是不工作,专干偷窃(偷百货店的衣服,小百货等),被警察逮着了,CRA立马就盯上了,要收税。还有个女的,说她只有雇佣收入和房屋出租收入(是那种边自住,边出租。可想,也是一个穷人呀)而且也都报了,那也不行,CRA发现,她的资产同他所报收入不符,纵使她说料无数理由,比如:有妈妈的赠与,由朋友的借款,由前夫的付给她和小孩的一些费用。。。。。,法庭最后一个也未采纳她的证据,输残了。

等有时间了再来分享。
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?


税局已经举证了吧:
(a) property at 259 Sung Chiang Road
(b) property at 167 Min Sheng Road
(c) shares of Chien Ming Hsen Yeh Co. Ltd.
(d) shares of Hotel New Asia Co. Ltd.
(e) shares of Chang June College
(f) shares of San Ho Security Co. Ltd.
(g) shares of China Gypsum Co. Ltd.


税局找到这人在台湾的财产,然后按10%的增值打税,这很正常啊,谁叫你登陆时在另外的表格填自己的财产,有股票有房地产,这些都是产生收入的财产啊,笨! 要是我就只填银行存款,写个几千万的,不报房地产和股票, 银行存款只会产生活期利息,远低于10%
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

请问:nwa是否也有哪个6年的期限? 举个例子:王先生有自己的生意20年了,被cra要求审计,只审计最近6年的还是20年的都要算?
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

请问:nwa是否也有哪个6年的期限? 举个例子:王先生有自己的生意20年了,被cra要求审计,只审计最近6年的还是20年的都要算?

NWA只是审计的一种方法,这个要看审计的年限限制了。

网上找来的,供参考:
Time Limit of Tax Audit


For income tax returns, there is a time limit of up to 3 full years after the date on your original notice of assessment for a tax return. Beyond this 3-year limit, a tax return is considered statute barred, namely, the taxpayer cannot apply for changes of information filed and the CRA cannot reassess the return.
The time limit of auditing GST/HST returns are four years from the date the GST/HST returns are due to be filed.
It is noteworthy to remark that statute barred years should not be confused with the retention of records. Section 230 of the Income Tax Act requires that you retain all books and records until six years after the date the return is filed. You would need those records if a statute barred year was opened up.





However, the following conditions may change the aforesaid time limit:
  1. If it has been established that a fraud or gross negligence (when a taxpayer has knowingly made or participated in, assented or acquiesced in the making of, a false statement or omission in a tax return) may have occurred, then there is no time limit for CRA to act.
  2. A waiver has been signed by taxpayers allowing the statute bar period to be extended indefinitely (often under the threat that CRA will reassess unless the waiver is signed).
  3. A loss carry back on previous years in a a tax return has been filed. The normal reassessment period for a taxation year will be extended from 3 to 6 years if the taxpayer claims the benefit of a loss carry-back from a subsequent taxation year. However the access is limited to the particular subject matter and not the rest of your tax return. Keep in mind, that some taxpayers may not want CRA looking at your past tax returns. This is a risk management issue.
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

超过6年以上的审计,是建立在已经确定你偷税的前题下?还没有审计如何能确定?还有纳税人为什么要为cra查自己签哪个waiver?时间长了有些数据会丢失,明显对纳税人不公平.
说到cra查税,我知道一般几千的罚款没有人找税务律师,都是认罚了事.加拿大的人工贵大家都是知道的,律师可能再收你个上万.
NWA只是审计的一种方法,这个要看审计的年限限制了。

网上找来的,供参考:
Time Limit of Tax Audit


For income tax returns, there is a time limit of up to 3 full years after the date on your original notice of assessment for a tax return. Beyond this 3-year limit, a tax return is considered statute barred, namely, the taxpayer cannot apply for changes of information filed and the CRA cannot reassess the return.
The time limit of auditing GST/HST returns are four years from the date the GST/HST returns are due to be filed.
It is noteworthy to remark that statute barred years should not be confused with the retention of records. Section 230 of the Income Tax Act requires that you retain all books and records until six years after the date the return is filed. You would need those records if a statute barred year was opened up.





However, the following conditions may change the aforesaid time limit:
  1. If it has been established that a fraud or gross negligence (when a taxpayer has knowingly made or participated in, assented or acquiesced in the making of, a false statement or omission in a tax return) may have occurred, then there is no time limit for CRA to act.
  2. A waiver has been signed by taxpayers allowing the statute bar period to be extended indefinitely (often under the threat that CRA will reassess unless the waiver is signed).
  3. A loss carry back on previous years in a a tax return has been filed. The normal reassessment period for a taxation year will be extended from 3 to 6 years if the taxpayer claims the benefit of a loss carry-back from a subsequent taxation year. However the access is limited to the particular subject matter and not the rest of your tax return. Keep in mind, that some taxpayers may not want CRA looking at your past tax returns. This is a risk management issue.
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

超过6年以上的审计,是建立在已经确定你偷税的前题下?还没有审计如何能确定?还有纳税人为什么要为cra查自己签哪个waiver?时间长了有些数据会丢失,明显对纳税人不公平.
说到cra查税,我知道一般几千的罚款没有人找税务律师,都是认罚了事.加拿大的人工贵大家都是知道的,律师可能再收你个上万.
CRA一般不会主动去审计3年前的东西。但一些诱因会导致CRA去看3年前甚至6年的东西,举例说吧,这些诱因可能是:
1。CRA在审计最近三年老王餐馆生意,发现老王每年都把家里的生活开支,都算到生意的成本里,这明显是逃税行为,CRA 有理由假设老王3年前甚至6年前就开始这样干了。
2。有个同老王有仇的家伙向CRA举报,老王的餐馆10年前有偷税行为,且提供的证据看似很可靠。
3。警察逮到老王,说他最近10年一直在他的餐馆里贩卖毒品,且获利颇大。
4。被别的案子牵扯到,比如有个家伙未了证明他的钱是借的,就像CRA 举证:老王在5年前借给他100万,而且都有借款协议书。CRA 一看,老王家每年就报5万收入。
5。等等。
1,3 以前在案例上看到的,2,4 是我自己加上的。

关于waiver,我目前没有准确信息。
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

谢谢你提供的信息
除非是拿死工资的,一般人都会有些其它的收入,即使有诚实报税,时间长了,丢失了证据或记不清楚了,到时候还不冤死?好象处罚起来还是很严的.我听一个朋友说,她认识的一个人卖了生意后存侥幸心理不交gst,欠了1000多的税,政府要罚她上万,好象是把欠的钱算回去从她生意第一天算起,利滚利的算法还要加上罚款.加拿大一旦偷税被抓,成本太高.

CRA一般不会主动去审计3年前的东西。但一些诱因会导致CRA去看3年前甚至6年的东西,举例说吧,这些诱因可能是:
1。CRA在审计最近三年老王餐馆生意,发现老王每年都把家里的生活开支,都算到生意的成本里,这明显是逃税行为,CRA 有理由假设老王3年前甚至6年前就开始这样干了。
2。有个同老王有仇的家伙向CRA举报,老王的餐馆10年前有偷税行为,且提供的证据看似很可靠。
3。警察逮到老王,说他最近10年一直在他的餐馆里贩卖毒品,且获利颇大。
4。被别的案子牵扯到,比如有个家伙未了证明他的钱是借的,就像CRA 举证:老王在5年前借给他100万,而且都有借款协议书。CRA 一看,老王家每年就报5万收入。
5。等等。
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

谢谢你提供的信息
除非是拿死工资的,一般人都会有些其它的收入,即使有诚实报税,时间长了,丢失了证据或记不清楚了,到时候还不冤死?好象处罚起来还是很严的.我听一个朋友说,她认识的一个人卖了生意后存侥幸心理不交gst,欠了1000多的税,政府要罚她上万,好象是把欠的钱算回去从她生意第一天算起,利滚利的算法还要加上罚款.加拿大一旦偷税被抓,成本太高.

一万还多?应该10万(惩罚性),这样抽查比例就可以减少了,省人工
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

看了wenxuecity给的案例,很奇怪为什么税局在97年查,只查93/94年的欠税?后面几年是什么情况呢?按他们的道理,应该95/96年收入更多阿。

而且案例中的人92年才登录,不是说头两年基本不查吗?他这怎么变成专查头几年了?
 
回复: 70w刀,在5个人名下,可以全部汇到我BMO的账户吗?

看了wenxuecity给的案例,很奇怪为什么税局在97年查,只查93/94年的欠税?后面几年是什么情况呢?按他们的道理,应该95/96年收入更多阿。

而且案例中的人92年才登录,不是说头两年基本不查吗?他这怎么变成专查头几年了?


1.the Appellant, who has filed Canadian T1 tax returns for the years 1992 to 1995
2. the Appellant and his wife are deemed residents of Canada for taxation purposes in the 1992 to 1996 taxation years

96,97还没报税以后再慢慢玩
92,95不知道什么问题,可能税局的利润不大就不追了,93,94逃的税比较多吧
 

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