欢乐灌水 在加拿大，找一般的工作，你学历不能太高

[powerofdream]

能力也不要太强，即使强也要装的不行，要学会守拙与韬晦。

身边有些硕士博士朋友，不少是北美（美国+加拿大）很不错的学校毕业，有全球 top 排名的热门专业那种的，更有大公司实习和工作经历, 有的是一口流利的美语，按说语言和融入都没有太大的问题。我不是说高学历低能那种，是那种高学历高能，情商也很高那种。 但工作真的就是很一般的工作，找得也没有多顺。慢慢的了解到，加拿大很多公司内心里是惧怕名校的高能的硕士博士生，怕庙小hold不住大和尚；同僚／关系户 怕威胁了自己的job security，升迁，或者太能干反衬自己的无能； 接着 hiring manager 自己本来就不够自信，或者妒贤忌才，怕自己的假大空虚被揭穿，无法manage住。总之，企业逐渐形成一个低效能逆淘汰的机制（这真是资本家想要的结果吗？Maybe. ）。

所以，以至于，后来这些人中不少之后南下，一找一个准的大公司，谷歌微软亚马逊之类，2-3倍以上的高薪。美国真是唯贤是举的好国家，只要你能干活，我就开得出对得起你的薪水。而同时加拿大自己的教育资源也是便宜了美国。 一手好牌打烂，大概就是说的这个了吧。 最可悲的是，大家都知道问题出在哪，就这么鬼混下去，不做任何改变。

一个职场逆淘汰机制占主导的社会，会是德才兼备的年轻人向往的地方？如果答案是否定的，失去了优秀的年轻人的向往，会有未来吗？？？看一看加国顶级的名校的毕业生5年之后在哪里混，你就知道答案了。

 

[herbertguo]

庙小难容大和尚，云横空山两茫茫。
扬帆南下渡长江，意气风发登高堂。

 

[herbertguo]

唯贤是举好地方，宇航员家矗一旁。
高德喇嘛不坐床，叫骂小庙日夜忙。：）

 

[4cowboys]

发达国家精英阶层，都集中在意识形态学科和精英职业学科。
所以对于其他专业行业来说，一个人的实际能力和学历学位没有必然联系。

 

[herbertguo]

本地种菜送他乡，他乡炒菜味更香。
只是烟火味道呛，不如归田看夕阳。

 

[flashlight]

那象我们这种连西方国家学历都没有的呢？

 

[JIGU]

能力还是很重要，学历不是那么重要，随便问一下在加拿大找工作有被要求出示毕业文凭的吗？

 

[ccyyyycc]

能力还是很重要，学历不是那么重要，随便问一下在加拿大找工作有被要求出示毕业文凭的吗？

背调只需要你提供个电话号码或email。

 

[茹妹]

啥top学校毕业的？多大麦吉尔？和国内一本毕业差不多

 

[桃李满深圳]

能力和学历都重要。
我第一家公司，老板每次对客户介绍我，都说我是北京大学的PhD。靠，北大有土木工程专业吗？

 

[咪兔]

这样不是更好吗？去适合自己的地方，找一个薪水更高的工作。

 

[waren]

啥top学校毕业的？多大麦吉尔？和国内一本毕业差不多

就是。加拿大肯定人才不少，但是进什么top加拿大大学比较容易，只是进少数专业要求高。

 

[soleil_lee－太阳李]

That's not true. I don't have the same feeling.

 

[桃李满深圳]

That's not true. I don't have the same feeling.

楼主和宇航员犯了同样的逻辑错误，以有限的个体经验推导出不可靠的结论。
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ion/a-phd-does-pay-off-at-40/article11713827/

 

[powerofdream]

啥top学校毕业的？多大麦吉尔？和国内一本毕业差不多

有听说，美国前10，常春藤名校，加上斯坦福，过来碰壁的。再搞什么加拿大经验，不是虚伪，保守，自闭，怂，是什么？ 别多见怪，估计就是h1b遇到问题或者其他原因，暂时北上调整一下身份。

 

[powerofdream]

楼主和宇航员犯了同样的逻辑错误，以有限的个体经验推导出不可靠的结论。
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ion/a-phd-does-pay-off-at-40/article11713827/

别扯理论了，要扯我能跟你扯到天荒地老海枯石烂。理论，学术，都是无能的遮羞布。

看看，快看看！ 西雅图，硅谷，洛杉矶，圣地亚哥，纽约，看那乌泱泱的“加拿大人"+"加拿大华裔" 南下打工仔，无论是白人还是亚裔。 有的（不具名）大公司的一些部门甚至20%以上。数据骗不了人。就不知道NATAF不签了，到底急不急。

 

[4cowboys]

发达国家大学是以精英学科和意识形态学科为核心，与亚非拉人群所从事的理工科不是一回事。
而且发达国家这种意识形态精英学科教育是不可逆的，美国两任总统和四位现任最高院大法官都是英国大学留学，加拿大最高院有二位大法官是英国大学留学，意识形态精英学科教育是高级国家指导低级国家，所以是不可逆的。所以在加拿大和美国，美国哈佛耶鲁斯坦佛的名气和口碑远远不如英国牛津剑桥LSE。

英国伦敦政治经济学院的美国和加拿大校友节选：

• Elliott Abrams, Assistant Secretary of State in Reagan Administration; Senior Director of the National Security Council in Bush Administration
• Arash Aramesh, lawyer, political and national security analyst
• Donald Baer, White House Director of Communications and Strategic Planning in Clinton Administration
• Valerie Lynn Baldwin, Assistant Secretary of the Army (Financial Management and Comptroller), Bush Administration
• Bill Blythe, former Republican state representative from Harris County, Texas, 1971–1983
• Michael Chertoff, United States Secretary of Homeland Security, Bush Administration; US Attorney, Bush Sr. and Clinton Administrations
• Colm Connolly, United States Attorney, Bush Administration
• Lauchlin Currie, White House Economic Adviser to President Franklin Delano Roosevelt
• Rosa DeLauro, Democratic Member of the US House of Representatives
• Leandra English, Deputy Director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
• Edwin Feulner, President of the Heritage Foundation Think Tank
• William Gale, Council of Economic Advisers, Bush Administration
• Eric Garcetti, Mayor of Los Angeles
• Marc Grossman, U.S. Under-Secretary of State, Bush Administration; US Ambassador to Turkey, Clinton Administration; Special Advisor to the President on Near East Affairs, Carter Administration
• Orval H. Hansen, Republican Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
• Alice Stone Ilchman, Assistant Secretary of Education and Cultural Affairs under US President Jimmy Carter
• Bruce Jentleson, International Affairs Fellow, Council of Foreign Relations; Senior Foreign Policy Advisor to Vice President Al Gore
• Bruce Katz, former Chief of Staff, US Department of Housing and Urban Development; Vice President, Brookings Institution
• Vanessa Kerry, Democratic activist and daughter of Senator John Kerry (D-MA)
• Ron Kind, Democratic Member of U.S. House of Representatives
• Mark Kirk, Republican Member of the U.S. Senate
• Susan Lindauer, ex-Congressional aide accused of assisting Iraqi intelligence prior to the 2003 invasion
• Edward Luttwak, consultant to the US National Security Council, State Department and Defence Department; economist; historian; Senior Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
• James McGreevey, former governor of New Jersey
• Brad Miller, Member of the US House of Representatives
• Richard H. Moore, North Carolina state treasurer
• Daniel Patrick Moynihan, US Senator
• Ethan Nadelmann, founder and executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance
• Peter R. Orszag, Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy, Senior Economist, Council of Economic Advisors, Clinton Administration; Fellow of the Brookings Institution; Professor, Georgetown University, Congressional Budget Office Director, Director designate Office of Management and Budget
• Tan Parker, member of the Texas House of Representatives
• Alice Paul, American suffragist
• Richard Perle, Assistant Secretary of Defense, Reagan Administration; Chairman of Defense Department Advisory Committee, Bush Administration; fellow, American Enterprise Institute
• F. Whitten Peters, Secretary of the Air Force, Washington, D.C.
• David Rockefeller, former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank; Chairman/Honorary Chairman, the Council on Foreign Relations; Chairman/Honorary Chairman, the Trilateral Commission
• Pete Rouse, White House Chief of Staff, Obama Administration
• James Rubin, Assistant Secretary of State, Clinton Administration; lead foreign policy adviser to John Kerry campaign
• Robert Rubin, U.S. Treasury Secretary and Director, National Economic Council, Clinton Administration; Director of Goldman Sachs
• Rajiv Shah, USAID Administrator, Obama Administration
• Robert Shapiro, Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs, Clinton Administration; Fellow of Harvard University; Fellow of National Bureau of Economic Research
• Mona Sutphen, current White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy
• John Tower, U.S. Senator
• Sanford J. Ungar, President emeritus of Goucher College; Director of Voice of America; member of Council on Foreign Relations
• Paul Volcker, Chairman of Federal Reserve, Carter and Reagan Administrations; US Treasury Under-Secretary, Nixon Administration; President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
• David Welch, Assistant Secretary of State, Clinton Administration; US Ambassador to Egypt, Bush Administration
• Kimba Wood, U.S. Federal Judge; Attorney General nominee
• Dov Zakheim, Under-Secretary of Defense, Bush and Reagan administrations

• Ed Broadbent, leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada, 1975–1989
• John Crosbie, Lieutenant-Governor of Newfoundland and Labrador, former Cabinet minister
• Jean-Yves Duclos, Canadian Liberal MP, Canada's Minister of Families, Children and Social Development
• Brian Greenspan, barrister
• Hal Jackman, former Lieutenant-Governor of Ontario
• Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Liberal Party, 2008–2011
• Joy MacPhail, former finance minister and deputy premier of British Columbia
• Marc Mayrand, Chief Electoral Officer of Elections Canada, 2007–present
• David McGuinty, Member of Parliament, Liberal Party
• Catherine McKenna, Canadian Liberal MP, Canada's Minister of Environment and Climate Change
• Bill Morneau, Canadian MP, Canada's Minister of Finance, 2015–present
• Jacques Parizeau, Premier of Quebec, 1994–1996
• Svend Robinson, former Canadian MP; first openly gay Canadian politician in major political party
• Gregory Selinger, Premier of Manitoba, 2009–2016
• Mitchell Sharp, former Canadian Minister of Finance
• Paul Zed, Member of Parliament for Saint John, New Brunswick

 

[4cowboys]

别扯理论了，要扯我能跟你扯到天荒地老海枯石烂。看看西雅图，硅谷，洛杉矶，圣地亚哥，纽约，看那乌泱泱的“加拿大人"+"加拿大华裔" 南下打工仔，无论是白人还是亚裔。 有的（不具名）大公司的一些部门甚至20%以上。数据骗不了人。就不知道NATAF不签了，到底急不急。

美国移民来源最多的10个国家，没有发达国家瞧得起美国。
2017年美国新移民来源国家，比较一下。
1. Mexico195,932
2. China80,871
3. Cuba69,723
4. India61,489
5. Philippines58,187
6. Dominican 57,962
7. Haiti33,584
8. Vietnam31,459
9. El Salvador26,461
10. Jamaica24,450

美国工签前三配额的国家：印度85%，墨西哥6%，中国5%。
这三个国家几乎占据美国工签配额的96%，印度自己就占据85%。
没有发达国家瞧得起美国，闭着眼睛想都知道这三个国家打工仔只能到美国做什么工作的。
所以，去墨黑杂居的美国打工这种事儿，也就骗骗亚非拉人口。

 

[4cowboys]

其实都是些常识的不能再常识的东西，这边长大的小孩子都能说清楚。

发达国家大学是以精英学科和意识形态学科为核心，与亚非拉人群所从事的理工科不是一回事。
而且发达国家这种意识形态精英学科教育是不可逆的，美国两任总统和四位现任最高院大法官都是英国大学留学，加拿大最高院有二位大法官是英国大学留学，意识形态精英学科教育是高级国家指导低级国家，所以是不可逆的。所以在加拿大和美国，美国哈佛耶鲁斯坦佛的名气和口碑远远不如英国牛津剑桥LSE。

英国伦敦政治经济学院的美国和加拿大校友节选：

• Elliott Abrams, Assistant Secretary of State in Reagan Administration; Senior Director of the National Security Council in Bush Administration
• Arash Aramesh, lawyer, political and national security analyst
• Donald Baer, White House Director of Communications and Strategic Planning in Clinton Administration
• Valerie Lynn Baldwin, Assistant Secretary of the Army (Financial Management and Comptroller), Bush Administration
• Bill Blythe, former Republican state representative from Harris County, Texas, 1971–1983
• Michael Chertoff, United States Secretary of Homeland Security, Bush Administration; US Attorney, Bush Sr. and Clinton Administrations
• Colm Connolly, United States Attorney, Bush Administration
• Lauchlin Currie, White House Economic Adviser to President Franklin Delano Roosevelt
• Rosa DeLauro, Democratic Member of the US House of Representatives
• Leandra English, Deputy Director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
• Edwin Feulner, President of the Heritage Foundation Think Tank
• William Gale, Council of Economic Advisers, Bush Administration
• Eric Garcetti, Mayor of Los Angeles
• Marc Grossman, U.S. Under-Secretary of State, Bush Administration; US Ambassador to Turkey, Clinton Administration; Special Advisor to the President on Near East Affairs, Carter Administration
• Orval H. Hansen, Republican Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
• Alice Stone Ilchman, Assistant Secretary of Education and Cultural Affairs under US President Jimmy Carter
• Bruce Jentleson, International Affairs Fellow, Council of Foreign Relations; Senior Foreign Policy Advisor to Vice President Al Gore
• Bruce Katz, former Chief of Staff, US Department of Housing and Urban Development; Vice President, Brookings Institution
• Vanessa Kerry, Democratic activist and daughter of Senator John Kerry (D-MA)
• Ron Kind, Democratic Member of U.S. House of Representatives
• Mark Kirk, Republican Member of the U.S. Senate
• Susan Lindauer, ex-Congressional aide accused of assisting Iraqi intelligence prior to the 2003 invasion
• Edward Luttwak, consultant to the US National Security Council, State Department and Defence Department; economist; historian; Senior Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
• James McGreevey, former governor of New Jersey
• Brad Miller, Member of the US House of Representatives
• Richard H. Moore, North Carolina state treasurer
• Daniel Patrick Moynihan, US Senator
• Ethan Nadelmann, founder and executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance
• Peter R. Orszag, Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy, Senior Economist, Council of Economic Advisors, Clinton Administration; Fellow of the Brookings Institution; Professor, Georgetown University, Congressional Budget Office Director, Director designate Office of Management and Budget
• Tan Parker, member of the Texas House of Representatives
• Alice Paul, American suffragist
• Richard Perle, Assistant Secretary of Defense, Reagan Administration; Chairman of Defense Department Advisory Committee, Bush Administration; fellow, American Enterprise Institute
• F. Whitten Peters, Secretary of the Air Force, Washington, D.C.
• David Rockefeller, former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank; Chairman/Honorary Chairman, the Council on Foreign Relations; Chairman/Honorary Chairman, the Trilateral Commission
• Pete Rouse, White House Chief of Staff, Obama Administration
• James Rubin, Assistant Secretary of State, Clinton Administration; lead foreign policy adviser to John Kerry campaign
• Robert Rubin, U.S. Treasury Secretary and Director, National Economic Council, Clinton Administration; Director of Goldman Sachs
• Rajiv Shah, USAID Administrator, Obama Administration
• Robert Shapiro, Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs, Clinton Administration; Fellow of Harvard University; Fellow of National Bureau of Economic Research
• Mona Sutphen, current White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy
• John Tower, U.S. Senator
• Sanford J. Ungar, President emeritus of Goucher College; Director of Voice of America; member of Council on Foreign Relations
• Paul Volcker, Chairman of Federal Reserve, Carter and Reagan Administrations; US Treasury Under-Secretary, Nixon Administration; President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
• David Welch, Assistant Secretary of State, Clinton Administration; US Ambassador to Egypt, Bush Administration
• Kimba Wood, U.S. Federal Judge; Attorney General nominee
• Dov Zakheim, Under-Secretary of Defense, Bush and Reagan administrations

• Ed Broadbent, leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada, 1975–1989
• John Crosbie, Lieutenant-Governor of Newfoundland and Labrador, former Cabinet minister
• Jean-Yves Duclos, Canadian Liberal MP, Canada's Minister of Families, Children and Social Development
• Brian Greenspan, barrister
• Hal Jackman, former Lieutenant-Governor of Ontario
• Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Liberal Party, 2008–2011
• Joy MacPhail, former finance minister and deputy premier of British Columbia
• Marc Mayrand, Chief Electoral Officer of Elections Canada, 2007–present
• David McGuinty, Member of Parliament, Liberal Party
• Catherine McKenna, Canadian Liberal MP, Canada's Minister of Environment and Climate Change
• Bill Morneau, Canadian MP, Canada's Minister of Finance, 2015–present
• Jacques Parizeau, Premier of Quebec, 1994–1996
• Svend Robinson, former Canadian MP; first openly gay Canadian politician in major political party
• Gregory Selinger, Premier of Manitoba, 2009–2016
• Mitchell Sharp, former Canadian Minister of Finance
• Paul Zed, Member of Parliament for Saint John, New Brunswick

 

[桃李满深圳]

别扯理论了，要扯我能跟你扯到天荒地老海枯石烂。理论，学术，都是无能的遮羞布。

看看，快看看！ 西雅图，硅谷，洛杉矶，圣地亚哥，纽约，看那乌泱泱的“加拿大人"+"加拿大华裔" 南下打工仔，无论是白人还是亚裔。 有的（不具名）大公司的一些部门甚至20%以上。数据骗不了人。就不知道NATAF不签了，到底急不急。

不扯理论扯什么？扯你如何悲催？
你都读到PhD了，这点critical thinking应该有吧？

再看你的标题，“一般的工作”，你都名校PhD了还扯什么一般的工作，不是给自己找不自在吗？