USO ETF reveals it closed at a 36.4% premium to NAV --- Echo Lovemapleleaf's opinion on USO trading for retail clients

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Tue 21 Apr 2020 23:43:39 GMT Author: Adam Button

What a mess

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Retail traders are piling into the USO ETF thinking there bottom-fishing in crude oil. The fund is an absolute mess right now. They stopped issuing new units because they were becoming too large a part of the open interest in futures.

Trading was halted at least four times today and the final time included an announcement that the ETF would shift funds from 80/20 front/second month to whatever mix of oil future it wanted, along with the option to buy gasoline, natural gas and "other petroleum-based fuels".

For some reason this set off another misguided rush into the ETF.

Now the fund has published its daily holdings and says it holds assets worth $2.06 per share. It's last trade was at $2.81.

That's a comically large premium to NAV and means that nearly $1 billion of the $3 billion ETF is a fantasy.

As for its holdings -- which are now opaque intraday -- the shift so far is small. Nearly $2.2 billion of the ETF is still in June oil futures but there are pending trades to sell about 40% of that with the vast majority going into the July contract.

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I don't see how this thing survives and I can't understand why brokers would allow clients to trade something at 36% above NAV and guaranteed to lose money. The only sliver of good news here is that by spreading out its holdings among several contracts, it's less likely to spontaneously implode and drag down oil with it.

Either that or the things it holds all rally 40% on Wednesday. But if that's the case, I suspect even more retail money will flow in and the premium to NAV will be even greater in the day ahead.

source of article https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/uso-etf-reveals-it-closed-at-a-364-premium-to-nav-20200421


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我之前说USO不会变零。我要更正:石油不会变零,但USO可能变零。
USO不是投资石油的方法。USO本身设计就不好。假如它买实体石油,储藏在某个地方,例如油轮等等,这种设计才是投资石油的ETF。 USO不是。USO只是投资下个月,或者下几个月石油FUTURE。它不想接受实体石油,所以每个月FUTURE过期前都要抛售。 据我所了解,没有直接投资石油的方法。 自己买OIL FUTURE也是跟USO同样操作,同样命运。

CONTANGO持续几个月,USO低卖高买,USO损失会很惨重。当每个月FUTURE过期,USO要赶着过期前抛售当月FUTURE,导致当月FUTURE下降压力。 一般人以为ETF就是安全的,只看表面的股票价格,以为USO是非常便宜! 一般人问股票贵不贵,他们问得是每股多少钱?而不是问股价/内在价值比例。 蜂拥的投入USO抄底石油。 越多人投资USO,当月油价FUTURE下降压力越大。USO是5月负数石油价格的原因之一。

看着低油价,我被诱惑了,脱离了自己的投资原则:不碰资源类。
就算是石油公司,也不是好投资,因为未来电车化继续。 病毒拖累了所有股票,比石油,石油公司投资价值高的公司多得很!

我要CLOSE我的小实验:long 101 share + 1 short put, 1 short call。投入回报比例不好。花费大量时间精力看着油价。投入资金大,风险大。投入资金少,又没意义, 对于账号整体回报意义不大。损失300而已。小教训。
 
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1-8并股
one-for-eight reverse share split

这是我没有考虑到的,就算我想继续covered call也无法继续了,并股后covered call不够100股。


WALNUT CREEK, Calif., April 22, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- USCF announced today that it will execute a one-for-eight reverse share split that will be effective for shareholders of the United States Oil Fund, LP (NYSE Arca: USO) after the close of the markets on April 28, 2020. Shares of USO will trade at their post-split prices on April 29, 2020. USO's ticker symbol, "USO", will not change, and shares of USO will continue to trade on the NYSE Arca. USO's new CUSIP number will be 91232N207.
 
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Tue 21 Apr 2020 23:43:39 GMT Author: Adam Button

What a mess





Retail traders are piling into the USO ETF thinking there bottom-fishing in crude oil. The fund is an absolute mess right now. They stopped issuing new units because they were becoming too large a part of the open interest in futures.

Trading was halted at least four times today and the final time included an announcement that the ETF would shift funds from 80/20 front/second month to whatever mix of oil future it wanted, along with the option to buy gasoline, natural gas and "other petroleum-based fuels".

For some reason this set off another misguided rush into the ETF.

Now the fund has published its daily holdings and says it holds assets worth $2.06 per share. It's last trade was at $2.81.

That's a comically large premium to NAV and means that nearly $1 billion of the $3 billion ETF is a fantasy.

As for its holdings -- which are now opaque intraday -- the shift so far is small. Nearly $2.2 billion of the ETF is still in June oil futures but there are pending trades to sell about 40% of that with the vast majority going into the July contract.




I don't see how this thing survives and I can't understand why brokers would allow clients to trade something at 36% above NAV and guaranteed to lose money. The only sliver of good news here is that by spreading out its holdings among several contracts, it's less likely to spontaneously implode and drag down oil with it.

Either that or the things it holds all rally 40% on Wednesday. But if that's the case, I suspect even more retail money will flow in and the premium to NAV will be even greater in the day ahead.

source of article https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/uso-etf-reveals-it-closed-at-a-364-premium-to-nav-20200421


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我之前说USO不会变零。我要更正:石油不会变零,但USO可能变零。
USO不是投资石油的方法。USO本身设计就不好。假如它买实体石油,储藏在某个地方,例如油轮等等,这种设计才是投资石油的ETF。 USO不是。USO只是投资下个月,或者下几个月石油FUTURE。它不想接受实体石油,所以每个月FUTURE过期前都要抛售。 据我所了解,没有直接投资石油的方法。 自己买OIL FUTURE也是跟USO同样操作,同样命运。

CONTANGO持续几个月,USO低卖高买,USO损失会很惨重。当每个月FUTURE过期,USO要赶着过期前抛售当月FUTURE,导致当月FUTURE下降压力。 一般人以为ETF就是安全的,只看表面的股票价格,以为USO是非常便宜! 一般人问股票贵不贵,他们问得是每股多少钱?而不是问股价/内在价值比例。 蜂拥的投入USO抄底石油。 越多人投资USO,当月油价FUTURE下降压力越大。USO是5月负数石油价格的原因之一。

看着低油价,我被诱惑了,脱离了自己的投资原则:不碰资源类。
就算是石油公司,也不是好投资,因为未来电车化继续。 病毒拖累了所有股票,比石油,石油公司投资价值高的公司多得很!

我要CLOSE我的小实验:long 101 share + 1 short put, 1 short call。投入回报比例不好。花费大量时间精力看着油价。投入资金大,风险大。投入资金少,又没意义, 对于账号整体回报意义不大。损失300而已。小教训。


USO不错了,看看中行,

 
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我之前说USO不会变零。我要更正:石油不会变零,但USO可能变零。
USO不是投资石油的方法。USO本身设计就不好。假如它买实体石油,储藏在某个地方,例如油轮等等,这种设计才是投资石油的ETF。 USO不是。USO只是投资下个月,或者下几个月石油FUTURE。它不想接受实体石油,所以每个月FUTURE过期前都要抛售。 据我所了解,没有直接投资石油的方法。 自己买OIL FUTURE也是跟USO同样操作,同样命运。

CONTANGO持续几个月,USO低卖高买,USO损失会很惨重。当每个月FUTURE过期,USO要赶着过期前抛售当月FUTURE,导致当月FUTURE下降压力。 一般人以为ETF就是安全的,只看表面的股票价格,以为USO是非常便宜! 一般人问股票贵不贵,他们问得是每股多少钱?而不是问股价/内在价值比例。 蜂拥的投入USO抄底石油。 越多人投资USO,当月油价FUTURE下降压力越大。USO是5月负数石油价格的原因之一。

看着低油价,我被诱惑了,脱离了自己的投资原则:不碰资源类。
就算是石油公司,也不是好投资,因为未来电车化继续。 病毒拖累了所有股票,比石油,石油公司投资价值高的公司多得很!

我要CLOSE我的小实验:long 101 share + 1 short put, 1 short call。投入回报比例不好。花费大量时间精力看着油价。投入资金大,风险大。投入资金少,又没意义, 对于账号整体回报意义不大。损失300而已。小教训。

最近我看到一篇文章,说,石油如果保存太久,也会变质的,而保存成本也并不低,所以,即便USO真的买石油存起来,也不好说啊。
 
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我之前说USO不会变零。我要更正:石油不会变零,但USO可能变零。
USO不是投资石油的方法。USO本身设计就不好。假如它买实体石油,储藏在某个地方,例如油轮等等,这种设计才是投资石油的ETF。 USO不是。USO只是投资下个月,或者下几个月石油FUTURE。它不想接受实体石油,所以每个月FUTURE过期前都要抛售。 据我所了解,没有直接投资石油的方法。 自己买OIL FUTURE也是跟USO同样操作,同样命运。

CONTANGO持续几个月,USO低卖高买,USO损失会很惨重。当每个月FUTURE过期,USO要赶着过期前抛售当月FUTURE,导致当月FUTURE下降压力。 一般人以为ETF就是安全的,只看表面的股票价格,以为USO是非常便宜! 一般人问股票贵不贵,他们问得是每股多少钱?而不是问股价/内在价值比例。 蜂拥的投入USO抄底石油。 越多人投资USO,当月油价FUTURE下降压力越大。USO是5月负数石油价格的原因之一。

看着低油价,我被诱惑了,脱离了自己的投资原则:不碰资源类。
就算是石油公司,也不是好投资,因为未来电车化继续。 病毒拖累了所有股票,比石油,石油公司投资价值高的公司多得很!

我要CLOSE我的小实验:long 101 share + 1 short put, 1 short call。投入回报比例不好。花费大量时间精力看着油价。投入资金大,风险大。投入资金少,又没意义, 对于账号整体回报意义不大。损失300而已。小教训。


Oil Producers might have a different outlook


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XOP ETF

 

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