林俊案最新消息:杀人罪成立

上半年我做辩论时查过资料,没保留。
真有好奇心,自己google吧~


养一辈子花费一定高于终身监禁

FINANCIAL FACTS ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY
• Defense costs for death penalty trials in Kansas averaged about $400,000 per case, compared to $100,000 per case
when the death penalty was not sought. (Kansas Judicial Council, 2014).
• A new study in California revealed that the cost of the death penalty in the state has been over $4 billion since 1978.
Study considered pre-trial and trial costs, costs of automatic appeals and state habeas corpus petitions, costs of
federal habeas corpus appeals, and costs of incarceration on death row. (Alarcon & Mitchell, 2011).
• In Maryland, an average death penalty case resulting in a death sentence costs approximately $3 million. The
eventual costs to Maryland taxpayers for cases pursued 1978-1999 will be $186 million. Five executions have
resulted. (Urban Institute, 2008).
• Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree
murderers with life in prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that
amounts to a cost of $24 million for each execution. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000).
• The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per
execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial
level. (Duke University, May 1993).
• In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in
a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. (Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992)
 
养一辈子花费一定高于终身监禁

FINANCIAL FACTS ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY
Defense costs for death penalty trials in Kansas averaged about $400,000 per case, compared to $100,000 per case
when the death penalty was not sought. (Kansas Judicial Council, 2014).

不知你的观点是什么
 
• In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in
a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.
(Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992)

真不明白自己引用的内容?
你把source贴出来吧.
 
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数据显示一年40万平均死刑

一年平均8万的费用在押犯人

不明白就算了

不明白的是谁?
根据你贴的内容搜一下:

...sentence and execute a human being generally costs more than to imprison the same individual for life without parole.


  • Defense costs for death penalty trials in Kansas averaged about $400,000 per case, compared to $100,000 per case when the death penalty was not sought. (Kansas Judicial Council, 2014).
 
真不明白自己引用的内容?
你把source贴出来吧.
那你是1992年的,你不会看2014年的平均值吗?

• Defense costs for death penalty trials in Kansas averaged about $400,000 per case, compared to $100,000 per case
when the death penalty was not sought. (Kansas Judicial Council, 2014).
 
那你是1992年的,你不会看2014年的平均值吗?

• Defense costs for death penalty trials in Kansas averaged about $400,000 per case, compared to $100,000 per case when the death penalty was not sought. (Kansas Judicial Council, 2014).

两个都是你引用的内容,贴之前没好好看?

结论是——你把和自己观点相反的论据贴过来了。

你的理解,很牵强,比较会拿两个不可以直接对比的数据做对比吗?年总平均和另外一个情况的单体平均?

单个case的平均值才可比,这是常理吧。
 
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两个都是你引用的内容,贴之前没好好看?

结论是——你把和自己观点相反的论据贴过来了。

你的理解,很牵强,比较会拿两个不可以直接对比的数据做对比吗?年总平均和另外一个情况的单体平均?

单个case的平均值才可比,这是常理吧。
k

好吧,常理是执行死刑本身很少费用,就是被臃肿的法制流程浪费了纳税人的钱。
"Executions do not have to cost that much. We could hang them and re-use the rope. No cost! Or we could use firing squads and ask for volunteer firing squad members who would provide their own guns and ammunition. Again, no cost."

哈哈
花费真是浪费呀,为一个犯人,真是有些人一辈子都不能创造这么多价值,但你杀人就可以消费这么多价值,这是法律应有的震慑力吗?这似乎鼓舞哪些恶人作恶还会被增加GDP,养一群为他们而服务的高薪效率低下的相关行业。
There are several problems involved in trying to determine the cost of a capital case. First, there is a wide variety of costs associated with capital cases. These include costs for prosecuting and defense attorneys, interpreters, expert witnesses, court reporters, psychiatrists, secretaries, and jury consultants.

Another problem is the length and complexity of the process. Cases tend to last several years and can pass through three possible phases. The first phase includes state trial court (two trials - one to determine guilt, the other for sentence), state Supreme Court, and possible appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court. The second phase is the state habeas corpus (post-conviction process) and appeals. The final phase is federal habeas corpus, which includes appeals to the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and to the U.S. Supreme Court...

A third problem is the way states budget money for entities that are involved with capital cases. For example, Texas and Connecticut allocate specific sums to their judicial departments. It is difficult to separate the costs each department incurs for capital cases from those for other cases. From a data-gathering standpoint, Texas presents yet another problem. Each county (there are 254) must bear the costs of its capital cases. It is extremely difficult to get data from the counties. Dallas is the only county from which we received partial data, and we were unable to determine whether they are representative of other counties."
 
两个都是你引用的内容,贴之前没好好看?

结论是——你把和自己观点相反的论据贴过来了。

你的理解,很牵强,比较会拿两个不可以直接对比的数据做对比吗?年总平均和另外一个情况的单体平均?

单个case的平均值才可比,这是常理吧。
还有你说的数据并没有直观的说明执行死刑费用一定高于监禁,不然美国早就取消死刑了,还要到今天吗》
费用的明细才是真正的数据,哪些是直接消费,哪些是间接消费, 执行死刑费用高于终身监禁这个我认为是不成立的。

不用辩论了,我们定义费用明细不一致也说不明白啥。
 
k

好吧,常理是执行死刑本身很少费用,就是被臃肿的法制流程浪费了纳税人的钱。
"Executions do not have to cost that much. We could hang them and re-use the rope. No cost! Or we could use firing squads and ask for volunteer firing squad members who would provide their own guns and ammunition. Again, no cost."

哈哈
花费真是浪费呀,为一个犯人,真是有些人一辈子都不能创造这么多价值,但你杀人就可以消费这么多价值,这是法律应有的震慑力吗?这似乎鼓舞哪些恶人作恶还会被增加GDP,养一群为他们而服务的高薪效率低下的相关行业。

所以你承认这个事实了,感谢帮我找论据:wdb32:

你的常理不是全宇宙通用的,是来自人命不值钱的地方~

话说,当时选这个标题我是支持死刑的,但是后来搜到的有利数据真心稀缺...
 
还有你说的数据并没有直观的说明执行死刑费用一定高于监禁,不然美国早就取消死刑了,还要到今天吗》
费用的明细才是真正的数据,哪些是直接消费,哪些是间接消费, 执行死刑费用高于终身监禁这个我认为是不成立的。

不用辩论了,我们定义费用明细不一致也说不明白啥。

没和你辩。

所有数据都是你自己搜到和贴出来的,别把自己给转晕了~

你根本没用心,没有好奇心和研究精神。

只是为证明自己以前常规思维对,而草率的连自己都没弄清的,对自己观点不利的数据,拿来作为论据——这点,很不欣赏,如果是英文不错的年轻人,就可以BS了。
 
所以你承认这个事实了,感谢帮我找论据:wdb32:

你的常理不是全宇宙通用的,是来自人命不值钱的地方~

话说,当时选这个标题我是支持死刑的,但是后来搜到的有利数据真心稀缺...
晕,宇宙真理都出来了。
我看到的些数据文章并没有提到说一定是执行死刑费用铁定高于终身监禁,这个依然是争论的话题,目前也没结论终结好吧

人值钱也不能浪费纳税人的钱,而且无底洞,这就是先进性的表现吗》这是严重个浪费社会资源,

人命值钱 也是相对的,活着的就值钱,林俊死去了,他应得到多少赔偿,如果低于审判马尿费用,算是这个宇宙真理的人命值钱的表现吗?
 
没和你辩。

所有数据都是你自己搜到和贴出来的,别把自己给转晕了~

你根本没用心,没有好奇心和研究精神。

只是为证明自己以前常规思维对,而草率的连自己都没弄清的,对自己观点不利的数据,拿来作为论据——这点,很不欣赏,如果是英文不错的年轻人,就可以BS了。
好吧,我确实帖错了,被如此奇葩的没有死刑却大量浪费社会资源的现象弄晕了
加拿大没死刑1976年吧,这么多年浪费多少钱,唉
 
晕,宇宙真理都出来了。
我看到的些数据文章并没有提到说一定是执行死刑费用铁定高于终身监禁,这个依然是争论的话题,目前也没结论终结好吧

人值钱也不能浪费纳税人的钱,而且无底洞,这就是先进性的表现吗》这是严重个浪费社会资源,

人命值钱 也是相对的,活着的就值钱,林俊死去了,他应得到多少赔偿,如果低于审判马尿费用,算是这个宇宙真理的人命值钱的表现吗?

逻辑不对。

受害者及其家属是否该赔偿?怎么赔偿?是一个话题。如果不是警察误杀误伤,这该是社会福利方面。

维持司法公正以避免冤枉好人,该做到什么程度?这是司法制度的话题。

补偿受害者重要,惩罚凶手更重要?个人不认为这是需要讨论的东西。

以上,没有可比性。

根据你的思路,如一人生存几率很小,是否花费几百万救,不如把钱给他家人逍遥过余生?
当然不,两码事。
 
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