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仔细想想，国内看病虽然人多，但是想不排队直接看病可以挂特需门诊号，从几十元到几百元都有。保证没有人排队！！！还是国内好！！单就看病排队而言！！！
登陆定居 宁可在家暴毙，也不去医院受气
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- 发布时间 2007-02-07
下次遇到这种情况，不要上医院，在家直接打911要救护车，说孩子高烧晕迷，救护车送到的病人都马上会有人看。
看了感觉好害怕，谁能保证自己不生病呀，这些医生护士真没人性
加拿大任何一届政府只要一提医疗制度私有化马上下台.
看了吓得嗷嗷叫唤
好恐怖啊!大人病了都忍受不了折磨,换了是小孩,真的不知道怎么办才好!大家要身体健康,不要生病啊!
这是偶的在这里当护士的朋友写的:
“急诊小tip——
如果不是大病，不要去大医院的急诊！因为那里等候的人中很多人都你更有优先权，这里可不是按着先来后到的规矩啊！
建议去walk-in clinic。平时注意家附近哪里有诊所，记住开门的时间，或者community health centre。这些都比去大医院要快～～很多！
大医院的急诊主要优先抢救心脏病突发、车祸、shock、stroke等紧急情况，像感冒发烧什么没生命危险的就等吧。
那么你就装shock休克！shock会紧急抢救滴
如遇紧急情况——911”
*********************************
“和中国的医疗体系相比，加拿大已经很不错了。
我老爸生病16年，我妈是护士，我的brother是外科大夫，我爸不说享受到最好的医疗吧也是非常好的了，而且国家和省里给我爸医疗方面的待遇都是很好的了，就这一点我们非常感激的。但即使这样，我们也觉得负担很重。我们家尚且如此，更不要说普通老百姓、还有农民了。
中国的误诊率绝对比加拿大高的多，我爸的病一开始就误诊，一误8年。
设施远不能和这里的比，即使是北京数一、数二的医院。我护理过我爸爸，那是在全国该领域最好的医院，那里用的仪器和加拿大普通医院的相比都...根本无法比较。
还有就是对一个概念的错误理解——事故。如外科手术，术后并发症才是最致命的，但国内的护理制度根本不完善，甚至很多都是错误的，这是引起术后并发症的一个主要因素。而且国内没有经济能力来完善现有的设施。
通过对中国和加拿大护理方面的比较，我个人是绝对倾向加拿大的。尽管它不完美，但它已经做的尽可能的完善了。
还有就是很多人都提到加拿大的医生水平差，主要是因为（为加拿大的医生说句公道话）很多病中国是多发区，比如肝癌、胃癌、肺癌等等，它们在中国的发病率是西方发达国家的几十倍——比如肺癌，这在加拿大非常少见！！但中国有的是，所以中国的医生在诊断和治疗肺癌上肯定比加拿大的医生要有更多的治疗机会和经验。在治疗癌症方面，中国的专家确实不必国外的差，主要是因为国外医生没有那么多的机会。但他们在乳腺癌、前类腺癌上等“富贵癌”上比国内要领先许多。
加拿大老人多，所以在老年病上，加拿大做的非常好，日本也不错。”
“急诊小tip——
如果不是大病，不要去大医院的急诊！因为那里等候的人中很多人都你更有优先权，这里可不是按着先来后到的规矩啊！
建议去walk-in clinic。平时注意家附近哪里有诊所，记住开门的时间，或者community health centre。这些都比去大医院要快～～很多！
大医院的急诊主要优先抢救心脏病突发、车祸、shock、stroke等紧急情况，像感冒发烧什么没生命危险的就等吧。
那么你就装shock休克！shock会紧急抢救滴
如遇紧急情况——911”
*********************************
“和中国的医疗体系相比，加拿大已经很不错了。
我老爸生病16年，我妈是护士，我的brother是外科大夫，我爸不说享受到最好的医疗吧也是非常好的了，而且国家和省里给我爸医疗方面的待遇都是很好的了，就这一点我们非常感激的。但即使这样，我们也觉得负担很重。我们家尚且如此，更不要说普通老百姓、还有农民了。
中国的误诊率绝对比加拿大高的多，我爸的病一开始就误诊，一误8年。
设施远不能和这里的比，即使是北京数一、数二的医院。我护理过我爸爸，那是在全国该领域最好的医院，那里用的仪器和加拿大普通医院的相比都...根本无法比较。
还有就是对一个概念的错误理解——事故。如外科手术，术后并发症才是最致命的，但国内的护理制度根本不完善，甚至很多都是错误的，这是引起术后并发症的一个主要因素。而且国内没有经济能力来完善现有的设施。
通过对中国和加拿大护理方面的比较，我个人是绝对倾向加拿大的。尽管它不完美，但它已经做的尽可能的完善了。
还有就是很多人都提到加拿大的医生水平差，主要是因为（为加拿大的医生说句公道话）很多病中国是多发区，比如肝癌、胃癌、肺癌等等，它们在中国的发病率是西方发达国家的几十倍——比如肺癌，这在加拿大非常少见！！但中国有的是，所以中国的医生在诊断和治疗肺癌上肯定比加拿大的医生要有更多的治疗机会和经验。在治疗癌症方面，中国的专家确实不必国外的差，主要是因为国外医生没有那么多的机会。但他们在乳腺癌、前类腺癌上等“富贵癌”上比国内要领先许多。
加拿大老人多，所以在老年病上，加拿大做的非常好，日本也不错。”
在偶们这旮救护车就是收费，＄２００＋，老外告诉偶的。警车不收费。
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vivienne98
Guest
那就叫警车。警察一来，立马两眼翻白，倒他身上。看完病以后，再去警局表示由衷地感谢。
包同学的加拿大看病经历...
http://post.iask.ca/canadameet/topic/93969
http://post.iask.ca/canadameet/topic/93969
The cost of ambulance services
The Ministry of Health pays most of the cost of an ambulance trip for a patient who is injured or very ill. This applies to an air or land ambulance. The patient usually pays $45 of the cost, but there are some exceptions.
Medically necessary trips
The Ministry pays ambulance costs over $45 for:
an emergency trip if the attending physician at the hospital signs the ambulance call report after the patient has been admitted
a non-emergency trip if the patient's doctor states in writing, before the ambulance is used, that the patient's condition makes an ambulance necessary.
The hospital bills the patient for the $45. When no hospital is involved, the ambulance operator bills the patient.
Air ambulances cost $45 for medically necessary trips. If the patient also needs a land ambulance, $45 is charged only once.
Full costs
The patient must pay $240 for a land ambulance trip when:
the trip is not medically necessary or
the patient does not have a valid Ontario Health Card or Health 65 Card.
The $240 charge is the average cost of a land ambulance trip in Ontario.
The patient is charged the full cost of any air ambulance flight that is not medically necessary or is not covered by a valid Ontario Health Card or Health 65 Card. The patient must also pay $240 for any land ambulance used.
Exceptions
Some people are fully covered for ambulance services if the trip is medically necessary and the patient could not travel by other means (such as family car, taxi or public transit). The $45 charge does not apply to those who are:
receiving provincial social assistance (general welfare assistance or family benefits)
transferring from one hospital to another for insured, medically necessary treatment
transferring from hospital to a rehabilitation facility, treatment facility for physically disabled children, medical laboratory or X-ray facility approved by the Ministry of Health
enrolled in the ministry's Home Care Program
living in one of the following facilities licensed or approved by the ministry:
nursing home
home for the aged
rest home
home for special care
home or residence for psychiatric patients.
All those listed exceptions must pay $240 if the ambulance trip is not medically necessary and the patient could have travelled by other means (such as family car, taxi or public transit).
Frequently Asked Questions About Ambulance Billing
Question:
Why am I receiving a bill for ambulance service; isn't the service free?
Answer:
No. Service isn't free, but the majority of your ambulance bill is covered by the provincial Health Insurance Plan (O.H.I.P.). When transported in a licensed ambulance, Ontario residents receive a bill only for that portion of the bill that is not covered by your health insurance. This fee is normally $45.00.
Question:
How much does ambulance service cost?
Answer:
Normal land ambulance costs are billed at a rate of $240.00, of which all but $45.00 is covered by your provincial health insurance.
Question:
I am covered by O.H.I.P., but received a bill for $240.00. Why?
Answer:
O.H.I.P. insures ambulance transportation only for those trips that are medically essential. The hospital to which you were transported makes the determination as to whether your ambulance trip was medically necessary. If the doctor decides that you could have made your way to hospital by another means, you will be billed for the full amount of the ambulance bill. This is necessary in order to ensure that the system is not abused, and that the service is available to those who really need it.
Question:
I am visiting from the United States, or from another country, and am not insured under O.H.I.P. How will I be billed?
Answer:
Anyone who is not a resident of Ontario, or is not insured under O.H.I.P., will be billed at the full, uninsured rate of $240.00. Some private health insurance carriers and travel insurance carriers may reimburse you for these costs. It is up to you to discuss this with your insurance carrier.
Question:
I was visiting from another province when I needed ambulance service. I do have health insurance under my own province's scheme. Should I be receiving a bill?
Answer:
Yes. You will be billed at the uninsured rate of $240.00. It is your responsibility to recover any insured costs from your own provincial health insurance plan.
Question:
Will I be billed for transfers from one hospital to another?
Answer:
There is no charge for this service for insured residents of Ontario. Similarly, there is no charge applied when a patient is transferred to a nursing home, home for the aged, or other designated special care facilities.
Question:
I am on Home Care. Does this affect whether I receive a bill?
Answer:
Yes, in some circumstances. Patients being sent home on Home Care will not receive a bill for service, but subsequent calls for ambulance service which are not ordered by your Doctor, will be billed. Whether or not you are responsible for paying these bills should be discussed with Home Care.
Question:
When I had my accident, the Paramedics provided first aid care at the scene, but I refused to be taken to hospital. Is there any charge for this service?
Answer:
There is no charge for this service. You will, however, be required to sign a form releasing Toronto EMS and its' employees from any liability arising from your refusal to go to the hospital.
Question:
I was brought to Toronto for emergency treatment, and it is now time to go home. I am being sent home by ambulance. What is the charge for this service?
Answer:
Out of town transfers are billed at the basic rate, plus an additional charge for each kilometre over 60 km. travelled.
Question:
I have received a bill from the hospital for ambulance service, but I know that your service is not operated by the hospital? Why is the hospital billing me?
Answer:
The Ontario Ministry of Health has mandated receiving hospitals to bill patients for ambulance service provided. The bill is issued on behalf of the Ministry of Health, not the local ambulance service. Local ambulance services have no control over billing processes, except in special circumstances, and they do not receive the money from your ambulance bill. For this reason, all billing inquiries should be directed to the hospital which issued the bill for ambulance service, and not to the ambulance service itself.
Question:
The hospital has suggested that I use a Patient Transfer Service. How will I be billed?
Answer:
Patient Transfer Services are not licensed ambulances, and are not insured under O.H.I.P. If you choose to use one of these services, you will be liable for payment of the full bill, with no reimbursement from O.H.I.P. These companies operate on a fee for service basis in much the same way as a taxicab or a limousine. They are not currently regulated by Toronto EMS, nor do we investigate concerns regarding the services which they provide. You do have the right to refuse to use such a service, and to insist on being transported by a licensed ambulance
http://www.toronto.ca/ems/overview/cost.htm
The Ministry of Health pays most of the cost of an ambulance trip for a patient who is injured or very ill. This applies to an air or land ambulance. The patient usually pays $45 of the cost, but there are some exceptions.
Medically necessary trips
The Ministry pays ambulance costs over $45 for:
an emergency trip if the attending physician at the hospital signs the ambulance call report after the patient has been admitted
a non-emergency trip if the patient's doctor states in writing, before the ambulance is used, that the patient's condition makes an ambulance necessary.
The hospital bills the patient for the $45. When no hospital is involved, the ambulance operator bills the patient.
Air ambulances cost $45 for medically necessary trips. If the patient also needs a land ambulance, $45 is charged only once.
Full costs
The patient must pay $240 for a land ambulance trip when:
the trip is not medically necessary or
the patient does not have a valid Ontario Health Card or Health 65 Card.
The $240 charge is the average cost of a land ambulance trip in Ontario.
The patient is charged the full cost of any air ambulance flight that is not medically necessary or is not covered by a valid Ontario Health Card or Health 65 Card. The patient must also pay $240 for any land ambulance used.
Exceptions
Some people are fully covered for ambulance services if the trip is medically necessary and the patient could not travel by other means (such as family car, taxi or public transit). The $45 charge does not apply to those who are:
receiving provincial social assistance (general welfare assistance or family benefits)
transferring from one hospital to another for insured, medically necessary treatment
transferring from hospital to a rehabilitation facility, treatment facility for physically disabled children, medical laboratory or X-ray facility approved by the Ministry of Health
enrolled in the ministry's Home Care Program
living in one of the following facilities licensed or approved by the ministry:
nursing home
home for the aged
rest home
home for special care
home or residence for psychiatric patients.
All those listed exceptions must pay $240 if the ambulance trip is not medically necessary and the patient could have travelled by other means (such as family car, taxi or public transit).
Frequently Asked Questions About Ambulance Billing
Question:
Why am I receiving a bill for ambulance service; isn't the service free?
Answer:
No. Service isn't free, but the majority of your ambulance bill is covered by the provincial Health Insurance Plan (O.H.I.P.). When transported in a licensed ambulance, Ontario residents receive a bill only for that portion of the bill that is not covered by your health insurance. This fee is normally $45.00.
Question:
How much does ambulance service cost?
Answer:
Normal land ambulance costs are billed at a rate of $240.00, of which all but $45.00 is covered by your provincial health insurance.
Question:
I am covered by O.H.I.P., but received a bill for $240.00. Why?
Answer:
O.H.I.P. insures ambulance transportation only for those trips that are medically essential. The hospital to which you were transported makes the determination as to whether your ambulance trip was medically necessary. If the doctor decides that you could have made your way to hospital by another means, you will be billed for the full amount of the ambulance bill. This is necessary in order to ensure that the system is not abused, and that the service is available to those who really need it.
Question:
I am visiting from the United States, or from another country, and am not insured under O.H.I.P. How will I be billed?
Answer:
Anyone who is not a resident of Ontario, or is not insured under O.H.I.P., will be billed at the full, uninsured rate of $240.00. Some private health insurance carriers and travel insurance carriers may reimburse you for these costs. It is up to you to discuss this with your insurance carrier.
Question:
I was visiting from another province when I needed ambulance service. I do have health insurance under my own province's scheme. Should I be receiving a bill?
Answer:
Yes. You will be billed at the uninsured rate of $240.00. It is your responsibility to recover any insured costs from your own provincial health insurance plan.
Question:
Will I be billed for transfers from one hospital to another?
Answer:
There is no charge for this service for insured residents of Ontario. Similarly, there is no charge applied when a patient is transferred to a nursing home, home for the aged, or other designated special care facilities.
Question:
I am on Home Care. Does this affect whether I receive a bill?
Answer:
Yes, in some circumstances. Patients being sent home on Home Care will not receive a bill for service, but subsequent calls for ambulance service which are not ordered by your Doctor, will be billed. Whether or not you are responsible for paying these bills should be discussed with Home Care.
Question:
When I had my accident, the Paramedics provided first aid care at the scene, but I refused to be taken to hospital. Is there any charge for this service?
Answer:
There is no charge for this service. You will, however, be required to sign a form releasing Toronto EMS and its' employees from any liability arising from your refusal to go to the hospital.
Question:
I was brought to Toronto for emergency treatment, and it is now time to go home. I am being sent home by ambulance. What is the charge for this service?
Answer:
Out of town transfers are billed at the basic rate, plus an additional charge for each kilometre over 60 km. travelled.
Question:
I have received a bill from the hospital for ambulance service, but I know that your service is not operated by the hospital? Why is the hospital billing me?
Answer:
The Ontario Ministry of Health has mandated receiving hospitals to bill patients for ambulance service provided. The bill is issued on behalf of the Ministry of Health, not the local ambulance service. Local ambulance services have no control over billing processes, except in special circumstances, and they do not receive the money from your ambulance bill. For this reason, all billing inquiries should be directed to the hospital which issued the bill for ambulance service, and not to the ambulance service itself.
Question:
The hospital has suggested that I use a Patient Transfer Service. How will I be billed?
Answer:
Patient Transfer Services are not licensed ambulances, and are not insured under O.H.I.P. If you choose to use one of these services, you will be liable for payment of the full bill, with no reimbursement from O.H.I.P. These companies operate on a fee for service basis in much the same way as a taxicab or a limousine. They are not currently regulated by Toronto EMS, nor do we investigate concerns regarding the services which they provide. You do have the right to refuse to use such a service, and to insist on being transported by a licensed ambulance
http://www.toronto.ca/ems/overview/cost.htm
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最后编辑: 2007-05-07
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bbqbbq
Guest
我们这里救护车不收钱.以前收的时候是120,两年前改革了,免费.
not medically necessary 的$240？
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最后编辑: 2007-05-07
melanie.zhang
水版老大兼抗洪总
看得心惊肉跳~~~ 无论在哪里， 都不要生病了~~~
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