媒体的控制有多可怕,比较 搜索引擎google 和 duckduckgo

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背景知识,

Richard Hopkins,邮局举报人,举报领导要求他们把11/3以后收到的邮件改成11/3收到
现状是他被停薪,被FBI威胁,没有撤回举报。

前两天,网上传出他撤回举报,
他出来辟谣,他没有撤回
目前这个案子FBI在调查,FBI的人威胁他,也被他录了下来

用这个关键字去搜索,Richard Hopkins

duckduckgo 给出的,他被停薪,被FBI威胁,他没有撤回,没有撤回举报“I DID NOT RECAN"
google top stories 给出的结果,都是他RECAN,撤回举报



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调查人员也不是FBI,是邮局内部调查机构的人员
Further undercutting Hopkins’ claim is audiofrom the interview conducted with him by postal investigators after the initial Project Veritas video. Hopkins secretly recorded the interview (he revealed to the agents that he had been recording it at the end), and Project Veritas posted it on YouTube.
 
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Hopkins first made the allegation anonymously in a video with James O’Keefe, founder of the conservative activist organization Project Veritas, on Nov. 5. Hopkins provided no evidence to support his allegation beyond repeating a conversation he claimed to have overheard. Erie Postmaster Robert Weisenbach, who was targeted in the allegation, told O’Keefe on a phone call included in the original video that the allegation was “untrue.”

So, initially, the claim amounted to one man’s word against another’s.

But evidence has mounted since then that weighs against Hopkins’ account.

On Nov. 10, the Erie Times-News reviewed 129 mail-in ballot envelopes that were postmarked Nov. 3, which was Election Day, but arrived at the Erie County Board of Elections after that. Election officials oversaw the review, according to the newspaper. Of those 129 ballots, only two were processed through the Erie facility, the newspaper reported.

“A bulk of the ballots were processed at various [postal service] locations across the state and the country, from places as far west as Tacoma, Washington, and as far south as Florida,” the newspaper reported. Those voters were registered in Erie County, but were out of town for any number of reasons, including for work or college.

“Not only did the Erie Times-News review find that only two late-arriving ballots processed at the Erie postal facility have a Nov. 3 postmark,” the story said, “but it also found that nine late ballots processed in Erie were postmarked Nov. 4 or later.”
 
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这个是内部调查人员与richard核实事情经过2小时的对话录音,从1小时26分开始是总结他们之前反反复复确认之后的谈话重点,有兴趣的话可以听听。richard在与他们对话结束前告知对方对话已经被录音,这也是他保护自己的一个方式吧。
 

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是recant很醒目吧,将谣言放在top stories,google已经裸奔站队
好吧,我同意Google有自己的政治立场,或者说是政治偏见,但大媒体的特点是慎重,尊重事实,相对客观,但这世界没有绝对客观,重要的是尊重事实。而你的主贴就没有尊重事实,明明FBI根本没插手,你却说是FBI。下面摘抄quora里解释的FBI和IG的区别:
The FBI is an agency tasked with rooting out crime and where appropriate seeking prosecution. The IG is a watchdog. Someone who does an internal audit of compliance with policies and procedures. If the the IG in the course of his or her investigation uncovers administrative non-compliance with departmental policies or criminal activity, recommendations for follow-up investigation are made with the agency’s Internal Affairs department (by whatever name the unit goes… in the Department of Justice…. for which the FBI is the investigative arm… it’s called the Office of Professional Responsibility or OPR for short). If the activity is determined to be criminal, the OPR (or it’s comparable unit in other federal branches) can make a recommendation to a US Attorney, who will evaluate it for presentation to Grand Jury and criminal charges to be sought.
 

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好吧,我同意Google有自己的政治立场,或者说是政治偏见,但大媒体的特点是慎重,尊重事实,相对客观,但这世界没有绝对客观,重要的是尊重事实。而你的主贴就没有尊重事实,明明FBI根本没插手,你却说是FBI。下面摘抄quora里解释的FBI和IG的区别:
The FBI is an agency tasked with rooting out crime and where appropriate seeking prosecution. The IG is a watchdog. Someone who does an internal audit of compliance with policies and procedures. If the the IG in the course of his or her investigation uncovers administrative non-compliance with departmental policies or criminal activity, recommendations for follow-up investigation are made with the agency’s Internal Affairs department (by whatever name the unit goes… in the Department of Justice…. for which the FBI is the investigative arm… it’s called the Office of Professional Responsibility or OPR for short). If the activity is determined to be criminal, the OPR (or it’s comparable unit in other federal branches) can make a recommendation to a US Attorney, who will evaluate it for presentation to Grand Jury and criminal charges to be sought.
你这里说的IG,是司法部的 IG report吧,
美国司法部(DOJ)态度和举动非常重要,我今天开了一个贴,关于部长比尔巴尔的举动
据说司法部介入需要等大选10天以后,今天是第9天,
大概5天前我转过一个很长的推,讲10天黑暗,很多人估计都没看,
关注下个星期。。。

 
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好吧,我同意Google有自己的政治立场,或者说是政治偏见,但大媒体的特点是慎重,尊重事实,相对客观,但这世界没有绝对客观,重要的是尊重事实。而你的主贴就没有尊重事实,明明FBI根本没插手,你却说是FBI。下面摘抄quora里解释的FBI和IG的区别:
The FBI is an agency tasked with rooting out crime and where appropriate seeking prosecution. The IG is a watchdog. Someone who does an internal audit of compliance with policies and procedures. If the the IG in the course of his or her investigation uncovers administrative non-compliance with departmental policies or criminal activity, recommendations for follow-up investigation are made with the agency’s Internal Affairs department (by whatever name the unit goes… in the Department of Justice…. for which the FBI is the investigative arm… it’s called the Office of Professional Responsibility or OPR for short). If the activity is determined to be criminal, the OPR (or it’s comparable unit in other federal branches) can make a recommendation to a US Attorney, who will evaluate it for presentation to Grand Jury and criminal charges to be sought.
看过高中生桑德曼那个本来善意的微笑如何被主流媒体解读为种族主义者的经典微笑吗?看看后来故事如何反转,主流媒体和左派的脸被打的劈吧响。再看看C N N被高中生起诉选择庭外和解,赔了几百万啊。
故事反转以后左派议员拒绝就诽谤道歉。
之前别人说主流媒体带节奏,还不太相信。看了这个案子以后,完全改变了我的看法。
 

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看过高中生桑德曼那个本来善意的微笑如何被主流媒体解读为种族主义者的经典微笑吗?看看后来故事如何反转,主流媒体和左派的脸被打的劈吧响。再看看C N N被高中生起诉选择庭外和解,赔了几百万啊。
故事反转以后左派议员拒绝就诽谤道歉。
之前别人说主流媒体带节奏,还不太相信。看了这个案子以后,完全改变了我的看法。
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高中生的案子,就是那个林肯伍德律师打的,把CNN搞的焦头烂额
 

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你最近诽谤美国民主和法治,
已经留下太多槽点,
将来怎么自圆其说?
以后日子不过了?

俺前两天写过啊,
如果川普翻盘,民主纠错成功,
如果翻不了盘,世界越来越左,符合俺的末世论
see ,已经圆好了。。。

我觉得美国的伟大,或者说民主的伟大,是在发展过程中不断地自我纠正,自我修复,不断地补漏洞
比如美国的现有的选举系统其实是一套君子系统,漏洞很多,想玩猫腻应该不难,
发现漏洞,有民意支持,才能即使补救漏洞,继续进步,
反观中国,一没有监督,即便发现问题,多数的情况下是想办法掩盖了

我觉得,这一次选举系统上问题的暴露,会为下一次选举系统的改进打下基础,也震慑一下那些想玩猫腻的
更加的完善,才有更加的信任

抛开是否作弊,这次选票是一半一半

其实也是美国社会转变过程中的一个反映,
在这个过程中,保守主义和进步主义冲撞是不可避免的。。。

我之所以支持川普代表的共和党,最大的一个原因,
也是希望美国这个社会在向更左的方向大踏步时候,能够向右回转一下,
这个跟我个人的价值观有关,再贴一遍这个视频,

世界继续向左走,也许是历史的安排,倒是也符合我认同的末世论。。:)
 

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俺前两天写过啊,
如果川普翻盘,民主纠错成功,
如果翻不了盘,世界越来越左,符合俺的末世论
see ,已经圆好了。。。

赶紧转变才是正道,
一条道走到黑,像王丹一样?

世界就像多棱镜,
光线曲折多变,你计算再准确,
如果漏了计算最后一个面,就会前功尽弃,结论错误。

我孩子自己公司的股票,有内部消息,但抛得不是时候(她只看公司小环境,没看美国疫情QE大环境)
女婿搞高频交易的,团队成绩斐然,点钞到手软,但是自己本人做的几个股票,几乎全错。

说明什么?上海话里有一句:万宝全书尚且缺一只角。
其实任何人都有可能这样,但切记,试错过程中不断反省,是深刻反省。

大国崛起,是一个太综合太复杂的问题,
你不要太有自信。
 

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