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My status: Single

Living:
Shanghai: One bedroom and one living room (totally 21 m2), downtown (zhongshan park), family owned property, no rent. 200RMB, in average, every month for electricity, gas, water and managing fees.
Montreal: One bedroom and one living room (totally 48 m2), downtown (Concordia, high-building), 785$, all included.

Food:
The markets in shanghai have more choices than that in montreal but Montreal is better in food’s quality. Usually spend 250$ on food in Montreal. Have never counted the expense on food in shanghai.

Out-going dinner:
Shanghai: 1-2 times per week, 60RMB, in average, for one person each meal.
Montreal: 1-2 times per week, 20$, tips included, in average, for one person each meal.

Clothing:
Shanghai: 1-2 new cloths every month. Usual brands, Jeanswest, H&M, sometimes a few Esprits in Outlets. 300-400rmb per month.
Montreal: 1-2 new cloths every month. Usual brands, Esprits, Mexx, Tommy, CK …. 150$ per month approximately.

Transportation:
Shanghai: 300RMB, approximately. By underground and bus. Very few taxis. (I work in zhangjiang area, so spend 10rmb each working day on subway)
Montreal: 67$, monthly pass for subway and bus.

Mobile phone:
Shanghai: 60RMB per month approximately.
Montreal: 32$ per month (150min in day time, unlimited in nights and weekends. Unlimited talking within rogers and fido nets.)

Internet:
Shanghai: 1560RMB per year. 512k.
Montreal: 28$ per month, Acanac, 1M (Another one-time 50$ for modem-guarantee fee, refundable)

Work:
Shanghai: 10am 6pm, Top 100 company. 2 hours on way home or company every day by underground (round trip)
Montreal: 9am 5pm, Top 600 company. 40 minutes on way home or company every day by bus (round trip)

Salary:
Shanghai: all use up, very little balance.
Montreal: a bit balance

Entertainments:
Shanghai: 4 times cinema per month. (100rmb). Pubs & bars 1-2 time every month. (each time at least 60rmb one drink)
Montreal: 1-2 times cinema per month. (12$ each) gone to pub only once. (10$ 2 beers and some potato chips)

Vacation Cost:
Shanghai: domestic Seabeach vacation, 7 days, non peak time, 3000rmb pone person.
Montreal: domestic Sea beach vacation, 8 days, peak time, 500$ one person.

Natural Environment:
No doubt, montreal is much better.

In summary, Shanghai has more fun but easy to use up the money. Montreal, little good restaurants for Chinese but living cost is relatively lower in regarding the income. If you, yourself, cook well or don’t care much about the taste of dishes, Montreal is much better than Shanghai.
 
最后编辑: 2008-08-21
回复: 比较一下上海和Montreal的工作生活

以前我犯了个错误,总是把蒙城和上海比,我没有把蒙城和北京比,是因为北京是我家,总有些不够客观。而上海和蒙城都是过客,而且以为都是两个大国的大城市,有比较的意义。
我写过上海VS蒙城,也引起不小的波澜。
现在我发现这样的对比根本就不应该出现。这两个城市根本不在一个水平面上,就好象比较幼儿园孩子和大学生谁更聪明一样。
蒙城在加拿大就算大城市了,而且级别是举办过奥运的,那就是中国的一流城市,北京上海这样的地方才有可能开奥运。
其实经过仔细对比,蒙城的各个方面都只相当于中国的2线城市的水平。
我曾经问过一个上海人,在蒙城定居的,到底是蒙城好还是上海好,立刻遭到白眼,意思是你这个问题还用问吗?太小瞧我们上海了。
如果非要说蒙城的优势,除了学法语比较方便以外,就是它确实比上海北京人口稀少的多,而这个优点不仅蒙城,加拿大任何一个小县城都具备。
 
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楼上写得好详细呀,不过现在物价涨了.

我在上海,说个大概的消费情况.每月到手家庭收入3W..
跟父母一起住,宝宝上幼儿园.每月公基金即可充房贷,不用供汽车.每月基本花去1万出头点.衣服也没有买什么品牌的,每周末逛逛超市,外出吃饭,买点东西.想省也省不下来.股票严重亏损,想再买套房子,价格太贵.为了将来多一个选择,07年北京递了申请.
FN差不多一年了,关注蒙城和温莎两个地区.
 
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楼上写得好详细呀,不过现在物价涨了.

我在上海,说个大概的消费情况.每月到手家庭收入3W..
跟父母一起住,宝宝上幼儿园.每月公基金即可充房贷,不用供汽车.每月基本花去1万出头点.衣服也没有买什么品牌的,每周末逛逛超市,外出吃饭,买点东西.想省也省不下来.股票严重亏损,想再买套房子,价格太贵.为了将来多一个选择,07年北京递了申请.
FN差不多一年了,关注蒙城和温莎两个地区.

你的条件在上海生活应该是满不错的了。我想你移民也是考虑孩子将来读大学和就业和自己将来养老的问题吧。
 
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可惜经济上,感觉生活一般,只有去超市的时候可以不太考虑价格.

移民是为了孩子,也为自已的生活状态.
 
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My status: Single

Living:
Shanghai: One bedroom and one living room (totally 21 m2), downtown (zhongshan park), family owned property, no rent. 200RMB, in average, every month for electricity, gas, water and managing fees.
Montreal: One bedroom and one living room (totally 48 m2), downtown (Concordia, high-building), 785$, all included.

Food:
The markets in shanghai have more choices than that in montreal but Montreal is better in food’s quality. Usually spend 250$ on food in Montreal. Have never counted the expense on food in shanghai.

Out-going dinner:
Shanghai: 1-2 times per week, 60RMB, in average, for one person each meal.
Montreal: 1-2 times per week, 20$, tips included, in average, for one person each meal.

Clothing:
Shanghai: 1-2 new cloths every month. Usual brands, Jeanswest, H&M, sometimes a few Esprits in Outlets. 300-400rmb per month.
Montreal: 1-2 new cloths every month. Usual brands, Esprits, Mexx, Tommy, CK …. 150$ per month approximately.

Transportation:
Shanghai: 300RMB, approximately. By underground and bus. Very few taxis. (I work in zhangjiang area, so spend 10rmb each working day on subway)
Montreal: 67$, monthly pass for subway and bus.

Mobile phone:
Shanghai: 60RMB per month approximately.
Montreal: 32$ per month (150min in day time, unlimited in nights and weekends. Unlimited talking within rogers and fido nets.)

Internet:
Shanghai: 1560RMB per year. 512k.
Montreal: 28$ per month, Acanac, 1M (Another one-time 50$ for modem-guarantee fee, refundable)

Work:
Shanghai: 10am 6pm, Top 100 company. 2 hours on way home or company every day by underground (round trip)
Montreal: 9am 5pm, Top 600 company. 40 minutes on way home or company every day by bus (round trip)

Salary:
Shanghai: all use up, very little balance.
Montreal: a bit balance

Entertainments:
Shanghai: 4 times cinema per month. (100rmb). Pubs & bars 1-2 time every month. (each time at least 60rmb one drink)
Montreal: 1-2 times cinema per month. (12$ each) gone to pub only once. (10$ 2 beers and some potato chips)

Vacation Cost:
Shanghai: domestic Seabeach vacation, 7 days, non peak time, 3000rmb pone person.
Montreal: domestic Sea beach vacation, 8 days, peak time, 500$ one person.

Natural Environment:
No doubt, montreal is much better.

In summary, Shanghai has more fun but easy to use up the money. Montreal, little good restaurants for Chinese but living cost is relatively lower in regarding the income. If you, yourself, cook well or don’t care much about the taste of dishes, Montreal is much better than Shanghai.

房租我发现是大头,可怕
 
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可惜来了以后什么都舍不得买。很多东西都要看特价,精神世界匮乏。好多东西都是自己动手丰衣足食。我认识一上海人,每次看到烤鸭从来不吃,说是咽下口水就走(是她自己亲口说的)。这种情况一直持续到她找到一份12刀每小时的工作,她老公这里博士已经读完但没找到工作,今年初全家回流了。这2位是国内每年能存10W人民币的主。来了就做好头3年吃苦的准备吧。
 
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补充下这里物价确实相对国内较低,但是加元不好挣,对大多数同胞而已,他们的家庭年收入是低于魁省平均水平,有专业工作的日子就好过很多了。新移民永远是最辛苦的。就我的看法,年薪20万以上来的人比较后悔。
 
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我觉得没什么好比较的,如果在国内每年家庭收入30w或者以上的,不需要现在考虑移民,就算说为了孩子,也没必要马上移民,等孩子大学毕业再申请留学好了,否则家长带着孩子在蒙城过苦日子(找不到专业工作地前提下)。
当然,如果可以找到专业工作,且在蒙家庭年收入可以至少在5w刀或者以上的,那就看自己选择了。国外的工作环境相对较简单,生活相对也比较单调,娱乐项目有待自己开发,不像国内,娱乐项目极度发达。
 

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My status: Single

Living:
Shanghai: One bedroom and one living room (totally 21 m2), downtown (zhongshan park), family owned property, no rent. 200RMB, in average, every month for electricity, gas, water and managing fees.
Montreal: One bedroom and one living room (totally 48 m2), downtown (Concordia, high-building), 785$, all included.

Food:
The markets in shanghai have more choices than that in montreal but Montreal is better in food’s quality. Usually spend 250$ on food in Montreal. Have never counted the expense on food in shanghai.

Out-going dinner:
.........
Thanks for your detailed information.
 

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其实我觉得每个人情况不同的,这种比较也不见得具有代表性。
别的不说,就说买衣服吧,这里好看衣服的选择比上海差太远了,就是大陆货的品牌,没啥精致特别的(可能个人喜好的问题),很少有让我一看就眼睛一亮,一见钟情的款式。我在上海逛街基本不会逛一天空手而归,但在这里,好几次逛了半天,一件衣服都没看中。另外从价格来说,一样的品牌,这里跟国内没有差别。比如我买Esprit的一条裤子要80多刀,国内500块人民币左右,基本打平。国内还有很多又实惠又好看的衣服,比如像Banana Republic款式的衣服,国内有时200-300人民币就买得到(当然不是这个牌子,但风格类似),我回国一口气买了十几件,也不过两千人民币,每天换着穿,我这里同事羡慕得要死,说我每天dress up to work呵呵。
 
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其实我觉得每个人情况不同的,这种比较也不见得具有代表性。
别的不说,就说买衣服吧,这里好看衣服的选择比上海差太远了,就是大陆货的品牌,没啥精致特别的(可能个人喜好的问题),很少有让我一看就眼睛一亮,一见钟情的款式。我在上海逛街基本不会逛一天空手而归,但在这里,好几次逛了半天,一件衣服都没看中。另外从价格来说,一样的品牌,这里跟国内没有差别。比如我买Esprit的一条裤子要80多刀,国内500块人民币左右,基本打平。国内还有很多又实惠又好看的衣服,比如像Banana Republic款式的衣服,国内有时200-300人民币就买得到(当然不是这个牌子,但风格类似),我回国一口气买了十几件,也不过两千人民币,每天换着穿,我这里同事羡慕得要死,说我每天dress up to work呵呵。

我不是很同意,我觉得上海的物价,特别是品牌衣服的价格,比国外要贵。

就说Esprit好了,去年回国的时候,在人民广场Esprit店里买了2条裤子,原价都要800rmb一条,因为拿了朋友的员工卡才打了65折。我本来看中一款男式的短风衣,我想7,800rmb了不起了,后来我放了价格牌才让我大为吃惊,一件法国卖100欧左右的短风衣,国内居然买2500.我昨天刚刚去MTL的Esprit买裤子,一条也就39.9,衬衫原价40,打7折。折合成人民币也就200多一条裤子,200一件衬衫。

再看看上海的ZARA,HM,GAP等牌子,国外都属于平民牌,到了中国价格就立马抬高了。去那些稍大一些的商场里面随便逛逛,都叫嚣着什么法国进口品牌,我在法国待了8年都压根没见过的牌子的衣服,动不动就上千。

在国外这么多年,我觉得,中国唯一便宜的就是吃,选择范围也广,但是现在优势也不那么明显了,因为食品卫生问题越来越大,连襁褓里的婴儿都不放过,觉得中国有些人太没有良心了,为了钱什么都干!
 
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2,300的套装,上海7p路才有:D好点的店里买件衬衣都不够:D
 

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