回复: 北京起诉的情况,有人想加入没
“一直潜水” 说得很有道理。现在有人做这事总算增加一点希望。去律师网站看了下。他们是通吃啊。做新政策移民代理，同时又给我们打官司。哈哈。我决定加入。
“一直潜水” 说得很有道理。现在有人做这事总算增加一点希望。去律师网站看了下。他们是通吃啊。做新政策移民代理，同时又给我们打官司。哈哈。我决定加入。
13北京91等ME，1，100全球91看本周末下周初法庭决定。。
- 主题发起人 ruth0924
- 发布时间 2011-12-12
回复: 北京起诉的情况,有人想加入没
看了你在三处的回帖，很欣赏你的谨慎。不过，你可能没看人家律师的回信（在我和星星点点贴中找找），人家是准备不要中国人起诉的，中国这几口人不够浩荡。香港在最后期限一再拖后律师生气地情况下才有人被迫或自愿付费(香港是有组织者的太不容易了)，北京就更别提了，原来就1人，单独立案都有点没说服力。
还有我选择相信律师，我的每封信人家都是很敬业的回，试想近500人都这么搞人家那时间也是钱吧，更何况又有前面的案子给他练手我怕吧也不太怕，就怕那狗屁移民法最近几年又什么改动。
建议：你那么想知道策略和法律依据，直接问律师比在我这啥都没有的贴上徒劳的好啊，毕竟人家学习研究并靠这碗法律的饭生活。我嘛就是付钱全权委托我也愿意，省心阿毕竟。像我这么不省心的老想回大家贴也太不省心了哈。
最后，如有回信，建议你把贴上。不过，过了这两天律师未必理你，开玩笑阿。（不过真有可能。）
再最后，起诉不起诉的大家都各自好运~~
看了你在三处的回帖，很欣赏你的谨慎。不过，你可能没看人家律师的回信（在我和星星点点贴中找找），人家是准备不要中国人起诉的，中国这几口人不够浩荡。香港在最后期限一再拖后律师生气地情况下才有人被迫或自愿付费(香港是有组织者的太不容易了)，北京就更别提了，原来就1人，单独立案都有点没说服力。
还有我选择相信律师，我的每封信人家都是很敬业的回，试想近500人都这么搞人家那时间也是钱吧，更何况又有前面的案子给他练手我怕吧也不太怕，就怕那狗屁移民法最近几年又什么改动。
建议：你那么想知道策略和法律依据，直接问律师比在我这啥都没有的贴上徒劳的好啊，毕竟人家学习研究并靠这碗法律的饭生活。我嘛就是付钱全权委托我也愿意，省心阿毕竟。像我这么不省心的老想回大家贴也太不省心了哈。
最后，如有回信，建议你把贴上。不过，过了这两天律师未必理你，开玩笑阿。（不过真有可能。）
再最后，起诉不起诉的大家都各自好运~~
最后编辑: 2011-12-17
回复: 北京起诉的情况,有人想加入没
有道理，见律师给香港那边的回信，几方面都分析到了：
The problem, however, for CIC is that a mediated settlement would get out, and they would have to fashion a solution for the rest the applicants in the black hole. Thus, while our cases would be settled, CIC's problem would remain. Therefore, they might prefer litigation in order to prolong the process. It should, however, be clear to CIC that, if they choose to litigate, the matter will be decided on the merits and not dismissed at the leave stage. (No assurance to that effect was -- or could be -- given. However, the Chief Justice had decided to have five different judges decide leave, implying that a cross-section of the Court will consider the cases, and surely one would agree to have the matter heard, setting a precedent for everyone else.)
If we do go into mediation, it would be that the action-for-damages would have to be deferred during the mediation stage and, if settlement is reached, there would be no damages. So, CIC would certainly gain by settling at this stage.
I have attached the Court's order. The significant clause is that future applications will be added to the pool. Thus, additional applications may be lodged until disposition of this litigation.
My own guess -- and that is all that it is -- is that, if mediation succeeds, CIC will announce a change in policy vis-à-vis the backlogged files, precluding new mandamus applications en masse. Justice Barnes observed that often the effect in a mandamus application is that the litigant jumps to the head of the queue, adding that, while that result is unfair for the others, the Court may only deal with the case before it. Thus, the advantage of being in the litigation group would be that our files will be processed ahead of the others in the backlog even if the Minister announces that he will allocate a share of the annual quota to each tier of applicants.
Also attached is the admission from the program manager at Beijing that processing of pre-Bill C-50 applications has been "suspended" and that there is no time-line for processing them, adding that the Minister will be announcing a plan to deal with those cases. If the "announcement" is not just a stalling tactic, but, rather, indicates that the Minister is planning to announce something, it would be better to be in the litigation group with the possibility of being processed promptly than moving forward at glacial pace all the other warehoused files.
On the other hand, if the mediation does not result in a settlement, the action for damages may still be pursued.
不过对这C50不了解。
有道理，见律师给香港那边的回信，几方面都分析到了：
The problem, however, for CIC is that a mediated settlement would get out, and they would have to fashion a solution for the rest the applicants in the black hole. Thus, while our cases would be settled, CIC's problem would remain. Therefore, they might prefer litigation in order to prolong the process. It should, however, be clear to CIC that, if they choose to litigate, the matter will be decided on the merits and not dismissed at the leave stage. (No assurance to that effect was -- or could be -- given. However, the Chief Justice had decided to have five different judges decide leave, implying that a cross-section of the Court will consider the cases, and surely one would agree to have the matter heard, setting a precedent for everyone else.)
If we do go into mediation, it would be that the action-for-damages would have to be deferred during the mediation stage and, if settlement is reached, there would be no damages. So, CIC would certainly gain by settling at this stage.
I have attached the Court's order. The significant clause is that future applications will be added to the pool. Thus, additional applications may be lodged until disposition of this litigation.
My own guess -- and that is all that it is -- is that, if mediation succeeds, CIC will announce a change in policy vis-à-vis the backlogged files, precluding new mandamus applications en masse. Justice Barnes observed that often the effect in a mandamus application is that the litigant jumps to the head of the queue, adding that, while that result is unfair for the others, the Court may only deal with the case before it. Thus, the advantage of being in the litigation group would be that our files will be processed ahead of the others in the backlog even if the Minister announces that he will allocate a share of the annual quota to each tier of applicants.
Also attached is the admission from the program manager at Beijing that processing of pre-Bill C-50 applications has been "suspended" and that there is no time-line for processing them, adding that the Minister will be announcing a plan to deal with those cases. If the "announcement" is not just a stalling tactic, but, rather, indicates that the Minister is planning to announce something, it would be better to be in the litigation group with the possibility of being processed promptly than moving forward at glacial pace all the other warehoused files.
On the other hand, if the mediation does not result in a settlement, the action for damages may still be pursued.
不过对这C50不了解。
回复: 北京起诉的情况,有人想加入没
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这是神马情况
这是神马情况
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已发邮件。
Dear Mr. Leahy,
I would like to join the litigation at unfaircic.com, with Ruth and other applicants from China. The attached are signed retainer agreements, Emails from Beijing, and my CAIPS results.
Please let me know if there is any problem, and tell your agent in Beijing to receive my payment.
Regards,
已发邮件。
Dear Mr. Leahy,
I would like to join the litigation at unfaircic.com, with Ruth and other applicants from China. The attached are signed retainer agreements, Emails from Beijing, and my CAIPS results.
Please let me know if there is any problem, and tell your agent in Beijing to receive my payment.
Regards,
回复: 北京起诉的情况,有人想加入没
还是你比较牛，再和律师通信前咱都不知道律师叫Tim Leahy。你那协议用香港的应该也没大碍，（我的下载不下所以贴不上来）就是下面日期会改到现在的签字日期。金额是对的就好。咱比较简单，中国代理直接把我信息给律师，律师把所有改填的都帮我填好（包括350刀折合RMB2，150都在上面），只需咱签个大名就好。
还是你比较牛，再和律师通信前咱都不知道律师叫Tim Leahy。你那协议用香港的应该也没大碍，（我的下载不下所以贴不上来）就是下面日期会改到现在的签字日期。金额是对的就好。咱比较简单，中国代理直接把我信息给律师，律师把所有改填的都帮我填好（包括350刀折合RMB2，150都在上面），只需咱签个大名就好。
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不知道他的 Leahy怎么发音的，难道就是“厉害”？希望厉害先生的技术人如其名。
http://www.forefrontmigration.ca/index-8.php
他的公司网页上有介绍，有他和加拿大总理的合影，可以看看他的尊荣，
LEFT: Rt. Hon. Paul Martin Jr.,
Prime Minister of Canada
RIGHT:Timothy E. Leahy
不知道他的 Leahy怎么发音的，难道就是“厉害”？希望厉害先生的技术人如其名。
http://www.forefrontmigration.ca/index-8.php
他的公司网页上有介绍，有他和加拿大总理的合影，可以看看他的尊荣，
LEFT: Rt. Hon. Paul Martin Jr.,
Prime Minister of Canada
RIGHT:Timothy E. Leahy
回复: 北京起诉的情况,有人想加入没
准备参加，没仔细看整个回复。请明白人给讲讲，350刀是啥说法，然后再交500刀是啥说法？
希望350刀能促使CIC和咱们私下协商，能处理我们这些人的案子。虽然91的是停了，可是还有很少的人利用各种各样的借口走了。这点可以通过每个季度的统计表可以看出来。
希望加入起诉，能有个协商的结果，或者迫使CIC重新开启91审理。
准备参加，没仔细看整个回复。请明白人给讲讲，350刀是啥说法，然后再交500刀是啥说法？
希望350刀能促使CIC和咱们私下协商，能处理我们这些人的案子。虽然91的是停了，可是还有很少的人利用各种各样的借口走了。这点可以通过每个季度的统计表可以看出来。
希望加入起诉，能有个协商的结果，或者迫使CIC重新开启91审理。
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这位老兄真忙得可以，咱就再鸡婆一下：350刀是目前律师的诉讼或协商服务费，这笔费用有两个方面 ：
1）后天律师会得到移民局关于是否愿意协商的答复，如果同意，那就继续协商；不过，可能性较小；因为移民局需要拖住咱们，还有数十万盯着，所以一般会不同意；
2）如果不同意，咱们就进入诉讼程序。这笔收费就是这两部分的。
如果移民局最终给出审理咱们案子的日期，就再付500刀，那就意味着至少赢了时间或至少知道死活。当然，咱不希望咱为了不交这钱而输了案子。
如果最终是赔偿，那么也是需要让咱们满意的。
你最后那句话说得挺明白的，也是咱不得已群起诉之的目的。
其它律师和付款信息耐心在本贴找，20号是律师的350刀的收费截至日期，以后直接就是750刀了。（因为这次咱本该付550刀，国外律师费有多贵，咱是晓得的）
下周二既是交费最后期限，也是他准备将北京新加入的6人案子递交法庭的日子。（也可能拖后，但下周必递）
愿咱们好运！
这位老兄真忙得可以，咱就再鸡婆一下：350刀是目前律师的诉讼或协商服务费，这笔费用有两个方面 ：
1）后天律师会得到移民局关于是否愿意协商的答复，如果同意，那就继续协商；不过，可能性较小；因为移民局需要拖住咱们，还有数十万盯着，所以一般会不同意；
2）如果不同意，咱们就进入诉讼程序。这笔收费就是这两部分的。
如果移民局最终给出审理咱们案子的日期，就再付500刀，那就意味着至少赢了时间或至少知道死活。当然，咱不希望咱为了不交这钱而输了案子。
如果最终是赔偿，那么也是需要让咱们满意的。
你最后那句话说得挺明白的，也是咱不得已群起诉之的目的。
其它律师和付款信息耐心在本贴找，20号是律师的350刀的收费截至日期，以后直接就是750刀了。（因为这次咱本该付550刀，国外律师费有多贵，咱是晓得的）
下周二既是交费最后期限，也是他准备将北京新加入的6人案子递交法庭的日子。（也可能拖后，但下周必递）
愿咱们好运！
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感觉像法语名，很可能h是不发音的.Anyway，就“厉害”吧，吉利。
不知道他的 Leahy怎么发音的，难道就是“厉害”？希望厉害先生的技术人如其名。
http://www.forefrontmigration.ca/index-8.php
他的公司网页上有介绍，有他和加拿大总理的合影，可以看看他的尊荣，
LEFT: Rt. Hon. Paul Martin Jr.,
Prime Minister of Canada
RIGHT:Timothy E. Leahy
感觉像法语名，很可能h是不发音的.Anyway，就“厉害”吧，吉利。
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请问ruth，签字后email agreement并付款，之后，律师方会回给我们什么确认的文件么？怎样才算是确立了代理的合同关系？我打算今天做了
请问ruth，签字后email agreement并付款，之后，律师方会回给我们什么确认的文件么？怎样才算是确立了代理的合同关系？我打算今天做了
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这倒是，律师会在每个类别里选代表，估计你其它硬件啥的都很好（如果有06年的，可能更好），比我们有优势律师才会选你。你都啥情况哈？我啥情况其实也没跟律师讲，不过即便讲了也没啥优势；
有优势，咱们起诉的其他人也会多些希望。
律师回复的时间比较规律，一般都是北京时间晚10点左右。
这倒是，律师会在每个类别里选代表，估计你其它硬件啥的都很好（如果有06年的，可能更好），比我们有优势律师才会选你。你都啥情况哈？我啥情况其实也没跟律师讲，不过即便讲了也没啥优势；
有优势，咱们起诉的其他人也会多些希望。
律师回复的时间比较规律，一般都是北京时间晚10点左右。
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那我下班后回复正好。
我提供了CAIPS结果，打分71。 雅思6 7 5.5 6.5，两高两中，他说不错，问后来有没有考更高的分数，可惜我没有。
那我下班后回复正好。
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很感谢几位的努力。
很感谢几位的努力。
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