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我写信问律师为什么要那么长时间准备argument，如果要等到今年底法院才判，那起诉和什么都不做没有什么区别，早知要如此之久，就不会参加起诉了。
这是他的答复，大意是：1.我们的钱不足以让他做很多 2.准备argument大概要三十天，不是几个月 3.今年底能审我们已是好的结果，不参加起诉的话，可能要无限期等待。参加了起诉的同学都给他去信吧，表达一下我们希望他快点做事，别老拿钱不够说事。
Dear Lily,


If you read my reply to Ruth you should realize that 2,000 RMB does not go very far. Your expectations should correspond to your investment.


Second, if you read my reply, you know that it will not take me four months to make my written arguments. They will be submitted within thirty days of the Court's decision of how we proceed. In fact, I expect to have them in well before thirty days.


Third, I believe that you are entirely wrong to say that doing nothing is equivalent to being involved in the litigation. When this matter is resolved, we will see whether, as I expect, your file will be promptly assessed, whereas those who are not participating in the litigation will find their applications continuing to be warehoused. Having your file assessed in December is far better than not having it assessed during your lifetime.


Finally, if CIC decides to settle the litigation, it will do so well before December. The worst is that it will not be until late in the year before we have a decision.


Regards,


Tim

 

[阿达就是我]

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这个国家还有靠谱的事吗？

我写信问律师为什么要那么长时间准备argument，如果要等到今年底法院才判，那起诉和什么都不做没有什么区别，早知要如此之久，就不会参加起诉了。
这是他的答复，大意是：1.我们的钱不足以让他做很多 2.准备argument大概要三十天，不是几个月 3.今年底能审我们已是好的结果，不参加起诉的话，可能要无限期等待。参加了起诉的同学都给他去信吧，表达一下我们希望他快点做事，别老拿钱不够说事。
Dear Lily,


If you read my reply to Ruth you should realize that 2,000 RMB does not go very far. Your expectations should correspond to your investment.


Second, if you read my reply, you know that it will not take me four months to make my written arguments. They will be submitted within thirty days of the Court's decision of how we proceed. In fact, I expect to have them in well before thirty days.


Third, I believe that you are entirely wrong to say that doing nothing is equivalent to being involved in the litigation. When this matter is resolved, we will see whether, as I expect, your file will be promptly assessed, whereas those who are not participating in the litigation will find their applications continuing to be warehoused. Having your file assessed in December is far better than not having it assessed during your lifetime.


Finally, if CIC decides to settle the litigation, it will do so well before December. The worst is that it will not be until late in the year before we have a decision.


Regards,


Tim

 

[加拿大老熊]

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我写信问律师为什么要那么长时间准备argument，如果要等到今年底法院才判，那起诉和什么都不做没有什么区别，早知要如此之久，就不会参加起诉了。
这是他的答复，大意是：1.我们的钱不足以让他做很多 2.准备argument大概要三十天，不是几个月 3.今年底能审我们已是好的结果，不参加起诉的话，可能要无限期等待。参加了起诉的同学都给他去信吧，表达一下我们希望他快点做事，别老拿钱不够说事。
Dear Lily,


If you read my reply to Ruth you should realize that 2,000 RMB does not go very far. Your expectations should correspond to your investment.


Second, if you read my reply, you know that it will not take me four months to make my written arguments. They will be submitted within thirty days of the Court's decision of how we proceed. In fact, I expect to have them in well before thirty days.


Third, I believe that you are entirely wrong to say that doing nothing is equivalent to being involved in the litigation. When this matter is resolved, we will see whether, as I expect, your file will be promptly assessed, whereas those who are not participating in the litigation will find their applications continuing to be warehoused. Having your file assessed in December is far better than not having it assessed during your lifetime.


Finally, if CIC decides to settle the litigation, it will do so well before December. The worst is that it will not be until late in the year before we have a decision.


Regards,


Tim

这个律师是个大忽悠。

 

[popiston]

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这个律师是个大忽悠。

对他说的这一点我也不敢苟同。我加入就是为了支持与cic去斗争。
但是他是为了让更多人加入，也没办法了。不能傻到说：现在有2个人加入了，其他人不用加了，就等好吧。

 

[星星点点]

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他什么都不做，会有人继续加入吗？他就不可以开始做事，别人也可以在期间加入？我会继续写信给他

对他说的这一点我也不敢苟同。我加入就是为了支持与cic去斗争。
但是他是为了让更多人加入，也没办法了。不能傻到说：现在有2个人加入了，其他人不用加了，就等好吧。

 

[jackieyu]

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其实加入之前我就想到有这个情况了。。。如果先期费用是550，那我肯定是不会加入的。现在先期降到人民币2000出头，我就想着大不了就当我这2000多白扔了。。如果别把结果想象的太好，倒是也能接受。好歹在遥远的太平洋彼岸有个老头儿在帮咱们做事情，甭管做成什么样，也比不做强。Tim也不算太忽悠，他说的做点儿什么总比不做强这句话是对的。。

基本上我觉得我们这批人没什么其他好方法，只能是hope for the best and prepare for the worst。

 

[pop2010]

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律师不是个骗子吧

 

[一直潜水]

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律师不是个骗子吧

大家确实有些绝望，慌乱中可能抓错了个稻草，这律师和大家的期待有很大的差距。

 

[星星点点]

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同感，律师说期望值要和投入多少挂钩，不像个做事的。一直在给他写信，他如果还是这副态度，也只能当$300投入大海了。可怕的是，时间又耽误了。

 

[pop2010]

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不是350刀？

 

[walterliu]

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这个律师如果只是注重前期的收入，并且一味想大家再继续交钱的话，他就比较短视了，毕竟后面还有一笔费用，如果他现在表现不是很令我们满意，等于自己把后面的路断了

 

[一直潜水]

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这个律师如果只是注重前期的收入，并且一味想大家再继续交钱的话，他就比较短视了，毕竟后面还有一笔费用，如果他现在表现不是很令我们满意，等于自己把后面的路断了

您有点太乐观了，一直关注起诉之事，你们签的协议里有明确的拒付条款吗？所谓起诉不成功，可以拒付尾款。成功如何界定？这位律师从一开始就在用模糊的词汇来套取更多的人加入，而他自己可能不用承担任何责任。我希望我的判断是错误的。

 

[walterliu]

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您有点太乐观了，一直关注起诉之事，你们签的协议里有明确的拒付条款吗？所谓起诉不成功，可以拒付尾款。成功如何界定？这位律师从一开始就在用模糊的词汇来套取更多的人加入，而他自己可能不用承担任何责任。我希望我的判断是错误的。

谢谢你的关注，我也不是太懂法律，但是回头去查协议，里面有这样一段话，不知道算不算：[/font]
b.$500 due upon notice that the application will be assessed within a specified period[/font]

懂法律的来说几句？

 

[ruth0924]

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有点不冷静地去放炮了，后面语法错误连篇。大家钱花都花了，再抱怨也没用，还是软硬兼施地让它吃了草就该干嘛就干嘛，别老用专业术语让我们等这个等那个，中间还干扰不断的。回信自然不会客气了，到时再贴上。建议大家有啥不舒服，就发泄，淡定不属于咱号人。

Dear Tim,

We have the letter u wrote to Lily released to everyone involved, and unsurprisingly all consider it negative. So you can expect many more letters from us.

As explained previously, our cases are quite different from any of other visa posts, for we are waiting for the stage of mailing out medical exam requests enclosed in our files, in which case, we are not completely hopeless, or at least most of us think so. We are the cases that you can stick to with more winning expectations.

At least two applicants whose child are going to college next year desperately expect the case decided earlier, and the rest have various reasons to be anxious.

Concerning the cic, it has no intention of settling the litigation unless our cases push it to, so we hope that you can act quickly and do not waste time waiting for it.

We have made it very clear to our applicants that they are welcomed to join before Dec 20, the deadline for cic's decision, and even after that we continue to draw more applicants in. But now, it's getting embarrassing, for it seems to everyone that you cann't act quickly becasue we invest not as much as you expect, so we can't expect much.


Actually, I do understand what you mean, but i think you should really put your feet in our shoes sometime. We have to have all our confidence in you, and it 's not asking too much to see a more positive and active attorney engaged in our cases, and not to have this or that incidents interrupted now and then.


Regards

 

[ruth0924]

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大家挨条看吧，法庭已决定让我们用代表案例起诉，但具体怎样做得等那位大人度假回来（现在还有一周时间怎么不作为？我已没精力写了，大家谁有兴趣问下）；不管怎样，北京的案子都将会被首先递到法庭。

其他就是律师对我这种出小钱想办大事的贪婪念头进行批判，当然少不了我们自己拖拖拉拉晚加入的一条。


Dear Ruth,


The Court has decided to consolidate all of the cases and proceed with "representative case(s)". The Court was on holiday from December 20th until January 9th. DoJ counsel goes on holiday from January 15th to the 30th. We cannot proceed until we have directions from the Court as to how we will do so. That direction will not come until we have an organizational meeting. So, nothing will happen until we know how we will proceed.


Second, DoJ has thirty days from when I make my written arguments to present theirs. The judge deciding the issue will act whenever s/he chooses to do so. Needless to say, I have no control over their actions, and to expect me to have the power to hurry them along because you are understandably frustrated is unreasonable.


Likewise, hiring additional staff will not address this systemic issue, and expecting me to do so because each has paid 2,000 RMB is outrageous.


Fourth, I began trying to get people involved in this litigation in July and made my first contact with your group the end of August; and yet it took until December for the Beijing contingent to join. Blaming me for delay over which I have no control is unreasonable.

Fifth, if DoJ takes the position it is appearing to moving toward; i.e., only one case is submitted to the Court; I will be presenting a BJ case because the CAIPS notes read "positive selection decision entered". With this case, the Court will have to grant leave. In addition, if it is per visa-post, my intention is to lead with this case and to file the others later. Thus, it will be a BJ case will be the first to be before the Court.


Finally, because, when the Court orders that a hearing occur, it must set a hearing day within thirty to ninety days (and invariably makes it ninety days) on that announcement, the earliest we could have had a hearing for December-filed cases would have been May assuming an instant decision from the Court. Needless to say, there would be no time between its order and the beginning of school in September to have immigrant visas finalized. Thus, expecting to be in Canada before September was never realistic in the first place.


Only if CIC agrees to settle with we have an earlier decision but I do not expect that even with settlement immigrant visas will be issued before school starts in September. It usually takes at least three months after a positive selection decision before visas are issued, and that's assuming that the background check has not expired -- but it has in all of your cases。

Thus, my response was not "negative"; it was realistic. As I wrote to Lily, the alternative to joining the litigation was not having your files finalized for years to come. Because this is not a 90-minute movie, instant success is not realistic.


Regards,


Tim

 

[walterliu]

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Ruth 写的很好！支持！

 

[星星点点]

回复: 北京起诉的情况,有人想加入没

是的，我写错了

不是350刀？

 

[星星点点]

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ruth写得太好了，不管是文字还是逻辑！建议ruth过去也当律师算了，比这个磨磨唧唧的律师强，呵呵。律师终于透了不少料，越沉默他就越当我们好糊弄。

 

[tzhjqy]

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律师就是这个样子，其实就是为了赚钱。希望它能够为大家办事情。即便我没有参加起诉，但是我还是祝愿你们的起诉能够成功，而且钱也不要白花。

还有以后能不能要求律师定期把法院的传票等的东西扫描发给大家看看，这样才叫做有法律效力、有监管。当然这只是个人的建议。因为我本人曾经和律师有过业务往来，对他们本来就没有什么好感。

 

[加拿大我来了]

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已 经 给 TIM 写 了 封 信 ， 说 年 底 结 案 太 叫 人 失 望 并 出 乎 意 料 ， 希 望 他 加 快 进 度 。 不 知 道 管 用 不 。？ 另 外 ： 我 每 次 给 TIM写 信 都 坚 持 用 中 文 ， 他 给 我 回 英 文 。