87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

[斗转星移]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

S87.4的荒唐性在根本就在于它是一部回溯的法律，如果二月份的协议及6.14判决本身可以不被6.29生效的新法回溯的话，这本身就需要撼动C38的根基。如果protocal或判决可以不被回溯的话，看不出3。29前未审的案子为何必须被回溯的理由？！因为S87.4中并没有明确指出3.29之前的法庭协议或判决，可以作为豁免被回溯的理由之一。如果法庭最终仅判6.14前的635人胜诉，这样整个S87.4的integrity及回溯的统一性本身已不攻自破了。此外，等于变象制定了一个潜规则，起诉成了移民获审理的首要和必经程序，并且起诉又成了插队的最强优先级别。怪哉。。。

 

[Milky Monkey]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

Hope Kurland can convince Tim to challenge the ME decision based on the ridiculous 329, Tim was previously not convinced and his reasoning below:

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From: Tim Leahy [mailto:tel@myforefront.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: en route to the January hearing

The answer, however, is: Until June 29th, no files had been closed. Therefore, as Bill C-38 had not been passed, any visa issued before then is valid without regard to when the file was assessed. Put it this way, if they announce in January and, that,, as of August 1st , the school will be closed, anyone who receives a degree up through July 3st received a valid degree but, after the school is closed, it cannot issue more degrees.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:37 AM:

One of my questions is:

This new Operational Bulletin 479-A and B, issued on November 29, 2012, is whereby the Minister exercised his discretion under section 25.2 of the Act.

Then what is the legal ground for the Operational Bulletin 442, which allowed the finalization of the cases for those applicants who received selection decision after March 29 but received final decision prior to June 29. Because these applications were also termination by operation of law under C-38. What's the justification for the OB 442? C-38 does not have any exception whatsoever that relates to the date of June 29.

天堂兄：我剛只略看你寫給kurland第二封信。嘩！你的案件分析能力，I am really really impressed! 你英文寫作表達能力真是超好！尤其可簡明地分析出若ME後被切是因87.4,但為何329與629之間香港卻出了一百多個visa?按理這些都是329後才打分的,他們照87.4也應被切！你結論是ME後被切是不需挑戰87.4的•••••你真的不是一個平凡小子！

 

[harvey.liu]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

S87.4的荒唐性在根本就在于它是一部回溯的法律，如果二月份的协议及6.14判决本身可以不被6.29生效的新法回溯的话，这本身就需要撼动C38的根基。如果protocal或判决可以不被回溯的话，看不出3。29前未审的案子为何必须被回溯的理由？！因为S87.4中并没有明确指出3.29之前的法庭协议或判决，可以作为豁免被回溯的理由之一。如果法庭最终仅判6.14前的635人胜诉，这样整个S87.4的integrity及回溯的统一性本身已不攻自破了。此外，等于变象制定了一个潜规则，起诉成了移民获审理的首要和必经程序，并且起诉又成了插队的最强优先级别。怪哉。。。

在common law sovereignty（主要就是UK USA CA AUS NZ)里面 理论上，除了 刑法 就是 criminal law其他的都可以 回溯 请你下定义前做些研究 再发言不迟。这里不谈宪法，因为这5个国家 有些国家没有成文宪法。common law 这个系统 是个很庞杂 有时候很混乱的系统 理论上是要 follow 前面的案子 但是具体到法官 他有权不follow 然后可能就是逐级的 appeal ，直到这五个国家的 最高法院 7个人（full seat) 或5 或 3个人决定 谁赢。

部长在under immigration and refugee law 有 ministerial instruction的权力 他有权确定谁优先。 这是 法律赋予他的。

康胖子做事情前 一定会咨询他的 法律顾问的 那些人一般都是 QC
不好对付的

我很久没来这里了，也不知道案子的发展情况。

祝福天堂兄 新年快乐吧 貌似这里就认识你啊

 

[Milky Monkey]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

A simple question is has CIC ever lost a case? And a class action?

For those cases, they did not consult QC, they have not had QCs defend them?

在common law sovereignty（主要就是UK USA CA AUS NZ)里面 理论上，除了 刑法 就是 criminal law其他的都可以 回溯 请你下定义前做些研究 再发言不迟。这里不谈宪法，因为这5个国家 有些国家没有成文宪法。common law 这个系统 是个很庞杂 有时候很混乱的系统 理论上是要 follow 前面的案子 但是具体到法官 他有权不follow 然后可能就是逐级的 appeal ，直到这五个国家的 最高法院 7个人（full seat) 或5 或 3个人决定 谁赢。

部长在under immigration and refugee law 有 ministerial instruction的权力 他有权确定谁优先。 这是 法律赋予他的。

康胖子做事情前 一定会咨询他的 法律顾问的 那些人一般都是 QC
不好对付的

我很久没来这里了，也不知道案子的发展情况。

祝福天堂兄 新年快乐吧 貌似这里就认识你啊

 

[Milky Monkey]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

Kurland was apparently inspired by the 150 computer mistakes that the Minister has to exercise his privilege under 25, which is indeed a drama.

 

[harvey.liu]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

A simple question is has CIC ever lost a case? And a class action?

For those cases, they did not consult QC, they have not had QCs defend them?

你这个问题 问之前 你自己就有答案了吧 何必问我 哈哈！

你有机会 去网上收索下 今年上半年 3月还是4月的 Supreme Court Reports吧
里面 就有 康胖子 和 中国人 打的官司（我是看姓名 是汉语拼音，所以推测是中国人，有个好像记得是姓LI） 一个是PR的事情 一个是国籍的事情 你去好好读读

 

[harvey.liu]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

Kurland was apparently inspired by the 150 computer mistakes that the Minister has to exercise his privilege under 25, which is indeed a drama.

康胖子 是部长 他有权力这么做 没撒大惊小怪的 原来还有个黎巴嫩人 说自己有自杀倾向 找了个注册的心理医生开了个证明 康胖子照样批了他 难民申请 。

原来李老师那些学生 不是一样批了

02年移民部输了官司后 那个衙门做的第一件事情就是补漏洞

 

[harvey.liu]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

common law除了你知道的 case law 还有个平行的 叫 equity

法官判案子 除了 原来的案子 还可以根据equity判

common law 并不是 简单的拿后面的案子 去套前面的案子 它有它自己的内在逻辑 就像做数学题样 你去argue你的观点 并不是单单找你原来的案子和你的理由或者论点 你还得有逻辑 去推理。

 

[Milky Monkey]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

That's a good point, I guess most laymen know what is equitable in this case.

common law除了你知道的 case law 还有个平行的 叫 equity

法官判案子 除了 原来的案子 还可以根据equity判

common law 并不是 简单的拿后面的案子 去套前面的案子 它有它自己的内在逻辑 就像做数学题样 你去argue你的观点 并不是单单找你原来的案子和你的理由或者论点 你还得有逻辑 去推理。

 

[harvey.liu]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

That's a good point, I guess most laymen know what is equitable in this case.

我晕
你去查查什么叫 equity 不要乱意会啊

 

[Milky Monkey]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

I don't have to, smart guy

我晕
你去查查什么叫 equity 不要乱意会啊

 

[Milky Monkey]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

Just in case you want to do some reading, you have too much spare time anyway, improve yourself first.

Equitable remedies were granted by the Court of Chancery in England, and remain available today in most common law jurisdictions. In many jurisdictions, legal and equitable remedies have been merged and a single court can issue either-or both remedies. Despite widespread judicial merger, the distinction between equitable and legal remedies remains relevant in a number of significant instances. Notably, the United States Constitution's Seventh Amendment preserves the right to a jury, trial rights in civil cases over $20 to cases "at common law".
The distinction between types of relief granted by the courts is due to the courts of equity, such as the Court of Chancery in England, and still available today in common law jurisdictions.[3] Equity is said to operate on the conscience of the defendant, so an equitable remedy is always directed at a particular person, and that person's knowledge, state of mind and motives may be relevant to whether a remedy should be granted or not.
Equitable remedies are distinguished from "legal" remedies (which are available to a successful claimant as of right) by the discretion of the court to grant them. In common law jurisdictions, there are a variety of equitable remedies, but the principal remedies are:

我晕
你去查查什么叫 equity 不要乱意会啊

 

[Les Paradis]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

康胖子做事情前 一定会咨询他的 法律顾问的 那些人一般都是 QC
不好对付的

Richard Kurland就是康尼的坚定支持者，康尼无论有什么动作，他都出来叫好。TIM的6月官司结果出来时，他也不看好，说这个胜利“得不偿失”。

连保守党这么铁杆的粉丝律师都觉得87.4有漏洞，这就很说明问题了。

Richard一如既往支持一刀切，他给ME打官司不代表他很同情28万人。他的愿望是：329后SD ME的人应该得到签证，剩下的全部一刀切。

 

[Milky Monkey]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

Don't leave me alone. I've been longing for some intellectual here.

QUOTE=harvey.liu;8736284]我晕
你去查查什么叫 equity 不要乱意会啊[/QUOTE]

 

[Les Paradis]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

再过15天，加拿大联邦法庭对87.4的判决就要出来了。

我今天立帖预测：87.4将被判决不合法！！！

 

[Milky Monkey]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

I guess you are too busy with your homework, enjoy your reading. I have to enjoy my lonely night.

Have fun!

我晕
你去查查什么叫 equity 不要乱意会啊

 

[harvey.liu]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

再过15天，加拿大联邦法庭对87.4的判决就要出来了。

我今天立帖预测：87.4将被判决不合法！！！

然后康胖子就appeal 咯

 

[harvey.liu]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

Just in case you want to do some reading, you have too much spare time anyway, improve yourself first.

Equitable remedies were granted by the Court of Chancery in England, and remain available today in most common law jurisdictions. In many jurisdictions, legal and equitable remedies have been merged and a single court can issue either-or both remedies. Despite widespread judicial merger, the distinction between equitable and legal remedies remains relevant in a number of significant instances. Notably, the United States Constitution's Seventh Amendment preserves the right to a jury, trial rights in civil cases over $20 to cases "at common law".
The distinction between types of relief granted by the courts is due to the courts of equity, such as the Court of Chancery in England, and still available today in common law jurisdictions.[3] Equity is said to operate on the conscience of the defendant, so an equitable remedy is always directed at a particular person, and that person's knowledge, state of mind and motives may be relevant to whether a remedy should be granted or not.
Equitable remedies are distinguished from "legal" remedies (which are available to a successful claimant as of right) by the discretion of the court to grant them. In common law jurisdictions, there are a variety of equitable remedies, but the principal remedies are:

算了 真是牛头不对马嘴
我说法官可以 根据很多东西判案 我晕

 

[Les Paradis]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

我难道不知道他要上诉？我以前发过至少10多次的帖子说他会上诉。

Harvey.liu你终于忍不住又出来蹦达了哈，不过我不想和你探讨这方面的话题。

既然你祝福我了，我也回敬你新年快乐！sincerely~~~

 

[Milky Monkey]

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

Apparently you Are more connected to MOI ... I am jealous

然后康胖子就appeal 咯