回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
加拿大是民主社会，2015年说不定又变天了。。。到时候又出来个C39法案对C38修正。。。
加拿大是民主社会，2015年说不定又变天了。。。到时候又出来个C39法案对C38修正。。。
感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
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回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
楼主这贴子写的不错，被CIC误了又误，确实极冤
但是大家还是当做演义看吧，关于起诉的事，楼主讲的是另一个故事，主角虽是TIM，但事情确实演义了
TIM组去年就有300多人了，中国确实不多，只有20多位
到今年由于C38的风声，人数激增，家园也起了很大作用，但在他的900人当中，中国人还是不到100
其他不一一指了，非常时期，演义也有演义的作用
楼主自己的事，可以认认真真的写出来，自己不愿投，也可交给BYE同学，她正组织轰炸加国议会，你这典型案例多好啊，放在这里好浪费~
楼主这贴子写的不错，被CIC误了又误，确实极冤
但是大家还是当做演义看吧，关于起诉的事，楼主讲的是另一个故事，主角虽是TIM，但事情确实演义了
TIM组去年就有300多人了，中国确实不多，只有20多位
到今年由于C38的风声，人数激增，家园也起了很大作用，但在他的900人当中，中国人还是不到100
其他不一一指了，非常时期，演义也有演义的作用
楼主自己的事，可以认认真真的写出来，自己不愿投，也可交给BYE同学，她正组织轰炸加国议会，你这典型案例多好啊，放在这里好浪费~
回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
所有被屁股决定了脑袋的人，都应该反思自己的人品和智商。
-91的同学因为被切而谴责康尼是天经地义，但正直的人不因此而把加拿大骂作是三流国家，大家意识到发达国家也有不够好的官员了；
-老移民认为准移民被切有一定利好无可厚非，但正直的人不因此而落井下石嘲笑别人，大家会冷静审视移民申请程序的公正性。
当然要求中国人做到这一点太难了。真做到的话，加拿大人要移民中国了。
所有被屁股决定了脑袋的人，都应该反思自己的人品和智商。
-91的同学因为被切而谴责康尼是天经地义，但正直的人不因此而把加拿大骂作是三流国家，大家意识到发达国家也有不够好的官员了；
-老移民认为准移民被切有一定利好无可厚非，但正直的人不因此而落井下石嘲笑别人，大家会冷静审视移民申请程序的公正性。
当然要求中国人做到这一点太难了。真做到的话，加拿大人要移民中国了。
回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
你说得对。
其实对于切案这个事件，坦白地讲，私利的我会因为单纯的移民减少，竞争者减少而感到本能的欣慰；公义的我会为91的移友受到的不公正待遇和遭受的损失感到义愤和同情；而剩下的部分，则在所谓正义、利益、个人、国家、真理、事实的迷雾之间茫然和彷徨着。
人本身就是一个复杂的矛盾集合体，这无可厚非。而我选择做的，大抵只是让我觉得问心无愧的而已。
你说得对。
其实对于切案这个事件，坦白地讲，私利的我会因为单纯的移民减少，竞争者减少而感到本能的欣慰；公义的我会为91的移友受到的不公正待遇和遭受的损失感到义愤和同情；而剩下的部分，则在所谓正义、利益、个人、国家、真理、事实的迷雾之间茫然和彷徨着。
人本身就是一个复杂的矛盾集合体，这无可厚非。而我选择做的，大抵只是让我觉得问心无愧的而已。
回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
如果只是基于不同方的个体利益来定性这件事情，那就不分对错，只有强弱，成王败寇。
你可以窃喜，他可以伤悲，彼此没什么好争的！
如果只是基于不同方的个体利益来定性这件事情，那就不分对错，只有强弱，成王败寇。
你可以窃喜，他可以伤悲，彼此没什么好争的！
回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
7年，一直在梦游吗？真心看不懂
7年，一直在梦游吗？真心看不懂
回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
不是梦游，而是纠结。
当初递申请的时候没想很多，那时也没有孩子，就想过去看看也不错。
而自从有了孩子，体会到了做父母的不易。其实父母一直对此持反对态度，我能理解他们的想法。说实话，老人也到了多事之秋，我是真心希望如果他们有什么不舒服，我能第一时间过去陪着他们，给他们帮助（我是医生）。
于是一直在纠结，期间朋友有在加拿大劝我去的，也有朋友从加拿大回流的反对我去的，错过了很多机会。实际上对我，这个移民的事仿佛买了一张即开型彩票（投机心理吧？），只是一直没有刮开，有时也忘了刮，但现在终于到了必须刮开的时候了。不中奖也在意料之中，但刮开后里面不是写着“谢谢你对**事业的支持”，而是“活该，不是我逼着你买的”，很讽刺不是？最让人无法忍受的就是这个。
祝即将出去的朋友一路顺风，也希望集体诉讼尽快开始，虽然希望渺茫，但起码今后有谈资，这个版块不会很快沉沦下去。
不是梦游，而是纠结。
当初递申请的时候没想很多，那时也没有孩子，就想过去看看也不错。
而自从有了孩子，体会到了做父母的不易。其实父母一直对此持反对态度，我能理解他们的想法。说实话，老人也到了多事之秋，我是真心希望如果他们有什么不舒服，我能第一时间过去陪着他们，给他们帮助（我是医生）。
于是一直在纠结，期间朋友有在加拿大劝我去的，也有朋友从加拿大回流的反对我去的，错过了很多机会。实际上对我，这个移民的事仿佛买了一张即开型彩票（投机心理吧？），只是一直没有刮开，有时也忘了刮，但现在终于到了必须刮开的时候了。不中奖也在意料之中，但刮开后里面不是写着“谢谢你对**事业的支持”，而是“活该，不是我逼着你买的”，很讽刺不是？最让人无法忍受的就是这个。
祝即将出去的朋友一路顺风，也希望集体诉讼尽快开始，虽然希望渺茫，但起码今后有谈资，这个版块不会很快沉沦下去。
回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
如果是群体间利益的冲突，只需通过公开民主的程序进行Balance，无关道德。
人有不平则鸣，你需要移民，我申请，不能店大欺客，以蛮横的方式朝令夕改。
被冷藏、被插队，都忍了，最后队快到了，大手一挥，散了吧。
新移民相对于老移民而言是少数、91 S2的对未S2是少数、参加诉讼的相对于91的仍是少数。不在于数目多少，哪怕一个人（比如秋菊，最后连她的家人都不支持她了），也应给个合理的说法。
每个人的人生都只有一次，伤不起。
如果是群体间利益的冲突，只需通过公开民主的程序进行Balance，无关道德。
人有不平则鸣，你需要移民，我申请，不能店大欺客，以蛮横的方式朝令夕改。
被冷藏、被插队，都忍了，最后队快到了，大手一挥，散了吧。
新移民相对于老移民而言是少数、91 S2的对未S2是少数、参加诉讼的相对于91的仍是少数。不在于数目多少，哪怕一个人（比如秋菊，最后连她的家人都不支持她了），也应给个合理的说法。
每个人的人生都只有一次，伤不起。
回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
刚才又研读了一下CIC的公告
Cessation of Processing and Return of Fees for Certain Federal Skilled Worker Applications
Summary
Processing of certain applications made under the Federal Skilled Worker (FSW) program prior to February 27, 2008, is to cease effective June 29, 2012, and fees paid to Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) in respect of the affected applications are to be returned to the person who paid them as required by law.
Issue
This Operational Bulletin (OB) provides guidance on steps to be taken to terminate certain FSW applications made prior to February 27, 2008, as per amendments to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) that were enacted as part of the Jobs, Growth and Long-term Prosperity Act and come into force on June 29, 2012.
Background
The Jobs, Growth and Long-term Prosperity Act eliminates the majority of the backlog in the FSW program by terminating applications and returning fees paid to CIC by certain FSW applicants who applied prior to February 27, 2008. The requirement to terminate certain FSW applications takes legal effect upon the coming into force of relevant provisions of the Jobs, Growth and Long-term Prosperity Act on June 29, 2012.
An application by a foreign national for a permanent resident visa as a member of the prescribed class of federal skilled workers that was made before February 27, 2008, is terminated if, before March 29, 2012, it has not been established by an officer, in accordance with the regulations, whether the applicant meets the selection criteria and other requirements applicable to that class.
Processing Instructions
Visa offices are to cease processing of FSW applications made prior to February 27, 2008, in accordance with the following instructions:
表格，此处省略***字。
Note: No further action is required at this time on the part of visa offices for those applications that are terminated in accordance with the above instructions.
Establishing that a decision has been made as to whether the applicant meets selection criteria
A decision as to whether the applicant meets selection criteria was made if, prior to March 29, 2012, at least one of the following actions was taken:
In establishing that final decision has been made on an application, at least one of the following actions must have been taken:
The. process of returning fees paid to CIC in concert with the termination of affected applications will be centralized at NHQ Finance in consultation with visa offices as required.
Fee returns and communications with affected applicants will be initiated by CIC in due course.
The basis for the amounts to be refunded will be the POS+ data at missions. NHQ Finance will communicate with affected missions in due course to provide further instructions on the extraction of required data. The POS+ data will subsequently be matched with the eligible cases extracted from CAIPS/GCMS and will form the baseline data for the purpose of returning fees to the payee.
NHQ Finance will communicate with eligible applicants in due course to confirm contact and payee information prior to initiating any return of fees paid to CIC, and will allow a reasonable period of time for applicants to respond. In cases where no response to any initial and any follow-up communications is received, applications are still terminated, but action may still be taken at a future date to return fees to the person who paid them.
Fee returns will be issued in the appropriate currency for the country in which the person who paid them resides, using the daily exchange conversion rate in effect on the date of issuance.
Unsuccessful applicants who had paid the Right of Permanent Residence Fee (RPRF) will continue to be entitled to a return of that fee in accordance with existing procedures.
File retention
The files and supporting documentation associated with terminated applications will be retained for a period of at least two years from the last point of administrative use, in accordance with current information management practices and retention requirements.
The last point of administrative use will generally be considered to be the date on which fees paid to CIC are returned to the applicant.
Federal Court challenge to section 87.4 of IRPA
The amendments contained in section 87.4 of the IRPA terminating FSW applications are subject to litigation. The result of that litigation could affect how the terminated FSW applications are handled in the future. Further information will be provided as the litigation progresses.
一、红字部分，在没有退款之前，对被切的案子只是停止（cease=stop）审理，案子并没有终结，没有指示就不动，但有可能因为诉讼的介入发生变数。一旦收到退款，案子即终止（terminate）审理，再也不动。
二、切案虽为奉旨行事，March 29, 2012圣旨中并没有指明，回溯日期仍有可能因为诉讼的介入发生变数。
基于以上两点，如果现在加入诉讼，仍可以讨价还价，只是时间紧迫，加入者随时有可能失去参诉资格。但挑战第二条难度太大。
三、蓝字部分，C38的一部分塞入移民法，谁掌权谁可以玩儿法律，自由党上台也可以如法炮制。
四、绿字部分，相关文件（涉及到每个人的纸质实体档案）至少保留两年，档案号仍存在且为唯一（不可能作废了你的档案而号再给别人用），两年后将实体文件灭失则档案号也消失。
基于以上两点，祈祷自由党东山再起，还大家一个公道（秋后算账），恢复案子。做梦吧？
五、紫色部分，收款日即案子终止日，先不收钱也可以给自己赢得一段时间（如果用得着的话）。
刚才又研读了一下CIC的公告
Cessation of Processing and Return of Fees for Certain Federal Skilled Worker Applications
Summary
Processing of certain applications made under the Federal Skilled Worker (FSW) program prior to February 27, 2008, is to cease effective June 29, 2012, and fees paid to Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) in respect of the affected applications are to be returned to the person who paid them as required by law.
Issue
This Operational Bulletin (OB) provides guidance on steps to be taken to terminate certain FSW applications made prior to February 27, 2008, as per amendments to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) that were enacted as part of the Jobs, Growth and Long-term Prosperity Act and come into force on June 29, 2012.
Background
The Jobs, Growth and Long-term Prosperity Act eliminates the majority of the backlog in the FSW program by terminating applications and returning fees paid to CIC by certain FSW applicants who applied prior to February 27, 2008. The requirement to terminate certain FSW applications takes legal effect upon the coming into force of relevant provisions of the Jobs, Growth and Long-term Prosperity Act on June 29, 2012.
An application by a foreign national for a permanent resident visa as a member of the prescribed class of federal skilled workers that was made before February 27, 2008, is terminated if, before March 29, 2012, it has not been established by an officer, in accordance with the regulations, whether the applicant meets the selection criteria and other requirements applicable to that class.
Processing Instructions
Visa offices are to cease processing of FSW applications made prior to February 27, 2008, in accordance with the following instructions:
表格，此处省略***字。
Note: No further action is required at this time on the part of visa offices for those applications that are terminated in accordance with the above instructions.
Establishing that a decision has been made as to whether the applicant meets selection criteria
A decision as to whether the applicant meets selection criteria was made if, prior to March 29, 2012, at least one of the following actions was taken:
- a selection decision was entered into the processing system (“SELDEC” in the Computer-Assisted Immigration Processing System (CAIPS) or “Eligibility Passed” / “Eligibility Failed” in the Global Case Management System (GCMS));
- the file notes clearly state that the selection criteria have or have not been met, but a selection decision has not yet been entered into the processing system;
- a negative decision had previously been made, but the file had been re-opened for a redetermination further to an order by a Superior Court (which includes the Federal Court) or a settlement agreement entered into by way of a Court order made prior to March 29, 2012.
- a preliminary review of the documentation has taken place, but a selection decision has not been entered into the processing system or documented as described above;
- additional documentation had been requested from the applicant but has not been received, or a selection interview is pending;
- additional documents were received that could have served to make a selection decision, but the selection decision has not been entered in the processing system or documented as described above. For instance, receipt of an Arranged Employment Opinion (AEO) or a response to an officer’s request for additional information prior to March 29, 2012.
In establishing that final decision has been made on an application, at least one of the following actions must have been taken:
- a final decision was entered into the processing system (“FINDEC” in the Computer-Assisted Immigration Processing System (CAIPS) or “Final Approved” / “Final Refused” in the Global Case Management System (GCMS));
- the file notes clearly state that a final decision has been rendered, but the decision has not yet been entered into the processing system.
The. process of returning fees paid to CIC in concert with the termination of affected applications will be centralized at NHQ Finance in consultation with visa offices as required.
Fee returns and communications with affected applicants will be initiated by CIC in due course.
The basis for the amounts to be refunded will be the POS+ data at missions. NHQ Finance will communicate with affected missions in due course to provide further instructions on the extraction of required data. The POS+ data will subsequently be matched with the eligible cases extracted from CAIPS/GCMS and will form the baseline data for the purpose of returning fees to the payee.
NHQ Finance will communicate with eligible applicants in due course to confirm contact and payee information prior to initiating any return of fees paid to CIC, and will allow a reasonable period of time for applicants to respond. In cases where no response to any initial and any follow-up communications is received, applications are still terminated, but action may still be taken at a future date to return fees to the person who paid them.
Fee returns will be issued in the appropriate currency for the country in which the person who paid them resides, using the daily exchange conversion rate in effect on the date of issuance.
Unsuccessful applicants who had paid the Right of Permanent Residence Fee (RPRF) will continue to be entitled to a return of that fee in accordance with existing procedures.
File retention
The files and supporting documentation associated with terminated applications will be retained for a period of at least two years from the last point of administrative use, in accordance with current information management practices and retention requirements.
The last point of administrative use will generally be considered to be the date on which fees paid to CIC are returned to the applicant.
Federal Court challenge to section 87.4 of IRPA
The amendments contained in section 87.4 of the IRPA terminating FSW applications are subject to litigation. The result of that litigation could affect how the terminated FSW applications are handled in the future. Further information will be provided as the litigation progresses.
一、红字部分，在没有退款之前，对被切的案子只是停止（cease=stop）审理，案子并没有终结，没有指示就不动，但有可能因为诉讼的介入发生变数。一旦收到退款，案子即终止（terminate）审理，再也不动。
二、切案虽为奉旨行事，March 29, 2012圣旨中并没有指明，回溯日期仍有可能因为诉讼的介入发生变数。
基于以上两点，如果现在加入诉讼，仍可以讨价还价，只是时间紧迫，加入者随时有可能失去参诉资格。但挑战第二条难度太大。
三、蓝字部分，C38的一部分塞入移民法，谁掌权谁可以玩儿法律，自由党上台也可以如法炮制。
四、绿字部分，相关文件（涉及到每个人的纸质实体档案）至少保留两年，档案号仍存在且为唯一（不可能作废了你的档案而号再给别人用），两年后将实体文件灭失则档案号也消失。
基于以上两点，祈祷自由党东山再起，还大家一个公道（秋后算账），恢复案子。做梦吧？
五、紫色部分，收款日即案子终止日，先不收钱也可以给自己赢得一段时间（如果用得着的话）。
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回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
别理那个HKBOY，也不能做什么，只能是祝你们能成功。
别理那个HKBOY，也不能做什么，只能是祝你们能成功。
回复: 感觉被CIC耍了，包括TIM。
这个贴要坚持每天顶，一直到670有结果。。。
这个贴要坚持每天顶，一直到670有结果。。。
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