想起从前国内的自己：两套房子，一台私车老婆大人开，一台公车（配有专职司机）。
很高兴我也曾经混上过中产阶层，哈哈
很高兴我也曾经混上过中产阶层，哈哈
现在真的感觉某些西方国家有点日薄西山（美国除外）
- 主题发起人 hxcldf
- 发布时间 2015-01-07
事实上美国的国力也在衰落。历史上，每当老大开始衰退罩不住的时候，世界格局要重新洗牌，世界就开始动荡，一直到新的平衡。美国靠美元盘剥全世界，现在他的好日子也要到头了。我看中国就已经在开始挑战美元。
我打小就知道白人是吃肉长大的，血腥的也是连皮带肉一起吃的，不是为911叫好，是美国布什政府制造了911杀死几千美国人，不比64差，演技手法比64高明
控制媒体比64厉害，但凡是国家机器西方和中方都没杀区别，都是杀。有的见血，有的不见些而已，中国没出去别的国家杀人吧，美国杀！还赶尽杀绝！
优越感来自于我家的8个空气净化器。哈哈
Evidence
1) flight 11 never took off, and the flight that was labelled flight 11 by air traffic control was 10 miles from manhattan at 8:46am (see Team8plus.org)
2) the footage of "flight 175" hitting the south tower is clearly fake (planes shouldn't slide into a steel wall without exploding on contact; the explosion takes place too far from where the plane impacted; there are videos that show contradicting flight paths; all the videos have a flat cartoonish character; the plane never has any significant detail; other camera oddities (see 911hoax.com))
3) in the footage of the first and second hits on the towers, the "planes" slide into the towers without slowing-- this is impossible according to laws of physics (unless the planes completely disintegrated upon impact-- but then they wouldn't have left plane-shaped holes)
4) No black boxes were found at ground zero (officially). It's not that boxes were found where the data was destroyed-- NO BOXES WERE FOUND AT ALL. These devices are meant to withstand incredibly extreme conditions. (the rumor that black boxes were found and kept secret is likely a psy-op meant to prop up the planes story)
5) plane wings shouldn't slice through the steel beams of the WTC and leave a perfect imprint (certainly if plane wings could easily cut through steel columns and floor slabs, it is not clear why the planes didn't pass all the way through the towers)
6) almost no plane parts were found in the WTC rubble-- when the rubble was SIFTED for human remains (see the book "9.11 Revealed")
7) witnesses exist who saw the south tower explode but never saw a plane
8) plane parts, such as the too small engine found in the streets of lower Manhattan, look planted. Why would they need to plant plane parts if real planes were used?
9) a very good case for no planes can be made at the Pentagon or Shanksville-- very little to no clear plane debris, suspicious (too small) holes
10) unlikely the terrorists could have piloted planes the way they did according to the official story
Logistically, for a false-flag operation:
1) using missiles/pre-planted bombs easier to control than real commercial planes and managing a real hijacking situation
2) having no planes avoids problems with air traffic controllers seeing something they shouldn't see (for instance if there was a plane-swap)
3) having no planes is the easiest way to avoid military interception, and much easier than a stand-down that would involve thousands of military personnel
4) psy-ops effect of the attacks is stronger if it defies a certain logic (the bizarre plane crashes)
5) having the media distribute a set of fake videos of the south tower hit is sufficient to plant the meme
6) having the media complicit in the operation helps ensure that they won't question the event
7) "big lies" (such that there were no planes) are often more effective than smaller lies (i.e. planes were used but they were controlled by remote control)
8) the paradigm shift required for people to question whether real planes were used in the attack helps keep the actual nature of the event hidden and the perpetrators safe
Evidence that planes were used:
1) the gov't told us there were planes; the news media repeated this as fact
2) a plane was shown hitting the South WTC tower on TV, many times, from many angles
3) the Naudet movie of first hit appears to show a plane hitting the North tower
4) witnesses claim to have seen planes
5) a small number of plane parts were found at each crash locale
Counter arguments to "evidence that planes were used":
1) gov't and media often work togehter and lie together
2) yes, this was how they planted the meme that planes were used
3) the footage is blurry and what hits the tower is not clear
4) some witnesses were planted as part of the operation; other witnesses may have seen a missile flying in the air; eyewitnesses may hvae seen a plane that happpened to fly by at the same time as the event occurred; possibly some sort of high-techhologram-cloaked missile were used instead of planes; in any case, eyewitnesses are of course notoriously unreliable
5) some plane parts were planted to support the idea that planes were used
Summary
The idea that no planes were used in 9/11-- that the crashes were faked with bombs and missiles-- is clearly counter-intuitive. However, logistically, avoiding the use of planes has many benefits if you presume that 9/11 was a false-flag attack. Moreover, there are many pieces of evidence to point to some sort of fakery with regard to the idea that real planes were used.
Note-- real planes may have been used as part of the operation as "fly-bys" -- these would give eye-witnesses something to "grab onto" that they saw a plane that was involved in the event.
Major problem with the no-plane theory-- requires a complicit media and more people involved in the plot. But clearly 9/11 was a huge operation and conceivably many people were willing to lie in service of some operation of which they didn't know the extent. After 9/11, speaking out would mean death.
What this theory DOES explain is the complete inability of the mainstream media to question the official 9/11 story in any way-- because they were in on it!
1) flight 11 never took off, and the flight that was labelled flight 11 by air traffic control was 10 miles from manhattan at 8:46am (see Team8plus.org)
2) the footage of "flight 175" hitting the south tower is clearly fake (planes shouldn't slide into a steel wall without exploding on contact; the explosion takes place too far from where the plane impacted; there are videos that show contradicting flight paths; all the videos have a flat cartoonish character; the plane never has any significant detail; other camera oddities (see 911hoax.com))
3) in the footage of the first and second hits on the towers, the "planes" slide into the towers without slowing-- this is impossible according to laws of physics (unless the planes completely disintegrated upon impact-- but then they wouldn't have left plane-shaped holes)
4) No black boxes were found at ground zero (officially). It's not that boxes were found where the data was destroyed-- NO BOXES WERE FOUND AT ALL. These devices are meant to withstand incredibly extreme conditions. (the rumor that black boxes were found and kept secret is likely a psy-op meant to prop up the planes story)
5) plane wings shouldn't slice through the steel beams of the WTC and leave a perfect imprint (certainly if plane wings could easily cut through steel columns and floor slabs, it is not clear why the planes didn't pass all the way through the towers)
6) almost no plane parts were found in the WTC rubble-- when the rubble was SIFTED for human remains (see the book "9.11 Revealed")
7) witnesses exist who saw the south tower explode but never saw a plane
8) plane parts, such as the too small engine found in the streets of lower Manhattan, look planted. Why would they need to plant plane parts if real planes were used?
9) a very good case for no planes can be made at the Pentagon or Shanksville-- very little to no clear plane debris, suspicious (too small) holes
10) unlikely the terrorists could have piloted planes the way they did according to the official story
Logistically, for a false-flag operation:
1) using missiles/pre-planted bombs easier to control than real commercial planes and managing a real hijacking situation
2) having no planes avoids problems with air traffic controllers seeing something they shouldn't see (for instance if there was a plane-swap)
3) having no planes is the easiest way to avoid military interception, and much easier than a stand-down that would involve thousands of military personnel
4) psy-ops effect of the attacks is stronger if it defies a certain logic (the bizarre plane crashes)
5) having the media distribute a set of fake videos of the south tower hit is sufficient to plant the meme
6) having the media complicit in the operation helps ensure that they won't question the event
7) "big lies" (such that there were no planes) are often more effective than smaller lies (i.e. planes were used but they were controlled by remote control)
8) the paradigm shift required for people to question whether real planes were used in the attack helps keep the actual nature of the event hidden and the perpetrators safe
Evidence that planes were used:
1) the gov't told us there were planes; the news media repeated this as fact
2) a plane was shown hitting the South WTC tower on TV, many times, from many angles
3) the Naudet movie of first hit appears to show a plane hitting the North tower
4) witnesses claim to have seen planes
5) a small number of plane parts were found at each crash locale
Counter arguments to "evidence that planes were used":
1) gov't and media often work togehter and lie together
2) yes, this was how they planted the meme that planes were used
3) the footage is blurry and what hits the tower is not clear
4) some witnesses were planted as part of the operation; other witnesses may have seen a missile flying in the air; eyewitnesses may hvae seen a plane that happpened to fly by at the same time as the event occurred; possibly some sort of high-techhologram-cloaked missile were used instead of planes; in any case, eyewitnesses are of course notoriously unreliable
5) some plane parts were planted to support the idea that planes were used
Summary
The idea that no planes were used in 9/11-- that the crashes were faked with bombs and missiles-- is clearly counter-intuitive. However, logistically, avoiding the use of planes has many benefits if you presume that 9/11 was a false-flag attack. Moreover, there are many pieces of evidence to point to some sort of fakery with regard to the idea that real planes were used.
Note-- real planes may have been used as part of the operation as "fly-bys" -- these would give eye-witnesses something to "grab onto" that they saw a plane that was involved in the event.
Major problem with the no-plane theory-- requires a complicit media and more people involved in the plot. But clearly 9/11 was a huge operation and conceivably many people were willing to lie in service of some operation of which they didn't know the extent. After 9/11, speaking out would mean death.
What this theory DOES explain is the complete inability of the mainstream media to question the official 9/11 story in any way-- because they were in on it!
别人在国内赚钱就是干缺德事，就你干的高尚？小人得志！
中国跟发达国家的距离，远着呢。
不是谁的楼高，桥多。
去看看，各行业，谁在用谁的核心技术，或者是抄袭谁的核心技术就可以了。
等那一天，商场里的家用电器，像现在韩国货那样有竞争力，满大街跑的都以中国车为荣的时候，再说吧。
也许这一天20年内能看见，也许再多点时候，如果中国够好运的话。
急功近利浮躁的社会环境不改变，管理成本会越来越大。
50年代刚解放，如果共产党像现在这样专注搞经济的话，配合着当时的国民，还有戏。
不是谁的楼高，桥多。
去看看，各行业，谁在用谁的核心技术，或者是抄袭谁的核心技术就可以了。
等那一天，商场里的家用电器，像现在韩国货那样有竞争力，满大街跑的都以中国车为荣的时候，再说吧。
也许这一天20年内能看见，也许再多点时候，如果中国够好运的话。
急功近利浮躁的社会环境不改变，管理成本会越来越大。
50年代刚解放，如果共产党像现在这样专注搞经济的话，配合着当时的国民，还有戏。
西方国家不是人间天堂，民主制度也有很多弊病。
如果把西方的病比作肝炎，那中共治下的中国得的就是肝癌。
一个还有生的希望，一个距离死亡已不遥远。
短视的人，只看到吗啡带来的片刻舒畅。
不剜去毒瘤，中华民族就没有新生的希望。
如果把西方的病比作肝炎，那中共治下的中国得的就是肝癌。
一个还有生的希望，一个距离死亡已不遥远。
短视的人，只看到吗啡带来的片刻舒畅。
不剜去毒瘤，中华民族就没有新生的希望。
跟过去比钱多了点而已，核心技术不多，更不要说软实力了。
我同意楼主说法，去年11月我才回的国。多年不见的中学同学（三线城市）基本有车，手机也不错。几乎天天请我吃饭，包房，喝白酒半斤（都是自费）。不当官的月入5000左右，若干局长，行长。医院，学校工作的很多。经上海时，两个高中同学月薪都是两三万，一个开宝马SUV机场接我，一个请我在上海小南国吃顿午饭，花了五百多。这次回国给我震动很大，以后可能回国教英语。
呵呵， 真想不到，如此垃圾东东，也在家园耗费空间。
你这是在加拿大混得有多差
月薪2－3万开宝马SUV？见过宝马啥样子么？
造谣，64根本就没死人。你这5毛是来黑天朝的吧，估计是没接受培训的自干五
没你专业黑中国
都是国内知名媒体的报道，何来黑中国？
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