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柠檬花园--加拿大第十山地师
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作者: tony_ca
对付手无寸铁，未做何反抗的人，居然如此残忍，加拿大也有素质这样差的警察，真让人心寒。本来等ME等得还有些着急的，看来对加拿大不必抱过高期望，免得失望更深。
之前什么砸电脑之类的事情没看到不好说。
但从录像上看到的，那个男子其实很老实也很平静。
他只是站在那里，警察过来后他也没有逃跑或者反抗。
但是警察立刻就开始使用暴力。
其实你也不要以为这个是个案。
我自己亲眼在温哥华的街头看到加拿大的警察使用类似的手法对付‘疑犯’。我不清楚那些被从背后铐住，脸朝下压在地上的人是不是真的罪大恶极，我猜测也许只是普通的违法或者只是被怀疑。
我曾经只是在路边走，但是被警车上的警察盯住，如果我有进一步什么动作引起他的怀疑呢？也许下一步爬在地上的就是我了。
我听过加拿大警察对2个街上的华人说：Those Two Chinese Guys!
可是他如何能确定他们不是加拿大公民？
为何要强调Chinese?
4个警察对该新移民男子没有任何犹豫的使用暴力，只能说明这是他们的习惯动作！
另外，录像已经很能说明问题，但政府还要说那只是片面之词，还要开脱！
5年来加拿大警察就要电枪杀死过15人！
还有多少被打到嗷嗷惨叫但没有死的？
有多少不是用电枪，而是用手枪直接打死的？
有多少是用警棍打伤，打死的？
这个个案显然是因为被人偷拍了才得以曝光的。
偷拍的那人其实当时也害怕被发现，他的镜头到后来都是歪着拍的。
如果被发现了呢？
作者: tony_ca
对付手无寸铁，未做何反抗的人，居然如此残忍，加拿大也有素质这样差的警察，真让人心寒。本来等ME等得还有些着急的，看来对加拿大不必抱过高期望，免得失望更深。
之前什么砸电脑之类的事情没看到不好说。
但从录像上看到的，那个男子其实很老实也很平静。
他只是站在那里，警察过来后他也没有逃跑或者反抗。
但是警察立刻就开始使用暴力。
其实你也不要以为这个是个案。
我自己亲眼在温哥华的街头看到加拿大的警察使用类似的手法对付‘疑犯’。我不清楚那些被从背后铐住，脸朝下压在地上的人是不是真的罪大恶极，我猜测也许只是普通的违法或者只是被怀疑。
我曾经只是在路边走，但是被警车上的警察盯住，如果我有进一步什么动作引起他的怀疑呢？也许下一步爬在地上的就是我了。
我听过加拿大警察对2个街上的华人说：Those Two Chinese Guys!
可是他如何能确定他们不是加拿大公民？
为何要强调Chinese?
4个警察对该新移民男子没有任何犹豫的使用暴力，只能说明这是他们的习惯动作！
另外，录像已经很能说明问题，但政府还要说那只是片面之词，还要开脱！
5年来加拿大警察就要电枪杀死过15人！
还有多少被打到嗷嗷惨叫但没有死的？
有多少不是用电枪，而是用手枪直接打死的？
有多少是用警棍打伤，打死的？
这个个案显然是因为被人偷拍了才得以曝光的。
偷拍的那人其实当时也害怕被发现，他的镜头到后来都是歪着拍的。
如果被发现了呢？
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给今天发言的筒子都加了声望。
给今天发言的筒子都加了声望。
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谢谢啦！
谢谢啦！
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北京现在刮大风了，今晚要降到零下4度了，外面好冷呀！
北京现在刮大风了，今晚要降到零下4度了，外面好冷呀！
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..2007-11-17, 00:47
致亲爱的正在考虑移民加拿大的朋友们：
请三思！ 你们不知道，加拿大其实是一个非常可怕的国家。
这个国家的警察，可以在街上，在机场，在任何地方，随意的，任意的，使用暴力攻击任何受到他们怀疑的公民，移民，或其他人等。
这是一个可怕的地方，真的。特别是作为中国人，更容易成为加拿大警察攻击的目标。
加拿大警察的暴力是体制性的（systematic), 就像他们可以系统性的棒杀可爱的小海豹一样，想到这些海豹，就可以理解这个国家了。
以下为部分证言：
Lou Cypher (Ottawa_Ontario) wrote:
I cannot express my outrage at this incident. My heart goes out to the family of this poor unfortunate man, coming to the land milk and honey only to be savagely beaten, Tazed and killed by the very people paid to protect him. I can say that this is an ongoing trend within the police forces across Canada. Since 2001, the police have found themselves in a new position of power, running around in there swat outfits, beating people down, and sometimes killing them, with little being done to reprimand them for there actions. But even before that, the police have taken any opportunity to abuse the powers we the citizens of this great country give to them.
Back in 1997, I was walking to friends house in Victoria B.C. (is there a trend here?) minding my own business, when 2 squad cars came racing up beside me, Jumped up on the curb and the officers jumped out of there cars. Without a word being said or a question asked, 3 officers proceeded to throw me on the ground and hand cuff me, whil;e a young rookie stood and watched. They were so aggressive, it was amazing. They kept on saying to each other, we got him, we got him. They were pulling my hair and repeatedly throwing me against the wall. I kept asking what I had done, and they threw me on the ground while one officer kept his foot on the back of my neck. Then one officer said "the perp has a full beard, not a goatee. With that, I was uncuffed and they all jumped back into there cars. I asked one of the officers if i could have there name. He told me to forget this happened, and they sped away. I read later the next day, that a woman was stabbed and that the perp was caught without incident. I guess I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was the only incident that night. I thank god they didn't have Tazers. Who knows if I would be writing this posting as I have a heart problem and would have surely suffered the same fate as that poor man in the Vancouver airport.
Posted November 16, 2007 06:59 AM
john (Victoria_BC) wrote:
I am a Chinese immigrant who experienced similar
nightmare with the local police. Actually the police
applied unnecessary force to me without giving me a
chance to tell my side of the story. Even after they
found out that I was TOTALLY innocent they refused
to say a sorry to me. To make things worse they lied
about the facts in the incident report with the story
they made up. At first they took advantage of my
unawareness of local culture and law by saying their
action was based on the 911 tape that recorded my
sound, but when I requested to access a copy of the
tape, they claimed that tape was gone due to "
technical problem". In the whole process not only a
single officer lied, it was a system-level corruption.
I used to live in USA where Canadians I met told me
they are "different from cool-blooded Americans" as
Canadians are nicer and honest. I did move to Canada
with admiration for the values of Canadian society.
But at the moment I was greatly bullied by the native
Canadians, I was scared of this great country.
When I became a Canadian citizen, a politician said,
"welcome to the best place in the world, an open,
free and civilized country with fairness and
opportunities". In addition, Canadian government
often arrogantly criticizes other nations for "bad
human rights records", I wonder if they should have
a mirror to check themselves up first".
Nevertheless I still trust most Canadian people are
friendly and open-minded. I am happy to see so many
objective and fair comments on the Polish immigrant's
case here.
I just wonder why there are still many shameless
dishonest people who are trying hard to help hiding
the faults of their government.
Posted November 16, 2007 06:52 AM
链接：
http://news.163.com/07/1116/16/3TEDCOIV0001121M.html (http://news.163.com/07/1116/16/3TEDCOIV0001121M.html)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/bc/2007/11/whats_your_reaction_to_this_vi.html
..2007-11-17, 00:47
致亲爱的正在考虑移民加拿大的朋友们：
请三思！ 你们不知道，加拿大其实是一个非常可怕的国家。
这个国家的警察，可以在街上，在机场，在任何地方，随意的，任意的，使用暴力攻击任何受到他们怀疑的公民，移民，或其他人等。
这是一个可怕的地方，真的。特别是作为中国人，更容易成为加拿大警察攻击的目标。
加拿大警察的暴力是体制性的（systematic), 就像他们可以系统性的棒杀可爱的小海豹一样，想到这些海豹，就可以理解这个国家了。
以下为部分证言：
Lou Cypher (Ottawa_Ontario) wrote:
I cannot express my outrage at this incident. My heart goes out to the family of this poor unfortunate man, coming to the land milk and honey only to be savagely beaten, Tazed and killed by the very people paid to protect him. I can say that this is an ongoing trend within the police forces across Canada. Since 2001, the police have found themselves in a new position of power, running around in there swat outfits, beating people down, and sometimes killing them, with little being done to reprimand them for there actions. But even before that, the police have taken any opportunity to abuse the powers we the citizens of this great country give to them.
Back in 1997, I was walking to friends house in Victoria B.C. (is there a trend here?) minding my own business, when 2 squad cars came racing up beside me, Jumped up on the curb and the officers jumped out of there cars. Without a word being said or a question asked, 3 officers proceeded to throw me on the ground and hand cuff me, whil;e a young rookie stood and watched. They were so aggressive, it was amazing. They kept on saying to each other, we got him, we got him. They were pulling my hair and repeatedly throwing me against the wall. I kept asking what I had done, and they threw me on the ground while one officer kept his foot on the back of my neck. Then one officer said "the perp has a full beard, not a goatee. With that, I was uncuffed and they all jumped back into there cars. I asked one of the officers if i could have there name. He told me to forget this happened, and they sped away. I read later the next day, that a woman was stabbed and that the perp was caught without incident. I guess I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was the only incident that night. I thank god they didn't have Tazers. Who knows if I would be writing this posting as I have a heart problem and would have surely suffered the same fate as that poor man in the Vancouver airport.
Posted November 16, 2007 06:59 AM
john (Victoria_BC) wrote:
I am a Chinese immigrant who experienced similar
nightmare with the local police. Actually the police
applied unnecessary force to me without giving me a
chance to tell my side of the story. Even after they
found out that I was TOTALLY innocent they refused
to say a sorry to me. To make things worse they lied
about the facts in the incident report with the story
they made up. At first they took advantage of my
unawareness of local culture and law by saying their
action was based on the 911 tape that recorded my
sound, but when I requested to access a copy of the
tape, they claimed that tape was gone due to "
technical problem". In the whole process not only a
single officer lied, it was a system-level corruption.
I used to live in USA where Canadians I met told me
they are "different from cool-blooded Americans" as
Canadians are nicer and honest. I did move to Canada
with admiration for the values of Canadian society.
But at the moment I was greatly bullied by the native
Canadians, I was scared of this great country.
When I became a Canadian citizen, a politician said,
"welcome to the best place in the world, an open,
free and civilized country with fairness and
opportunities". In addition, Canadian government
often arrogantly criticizes other nations for "bad
human rights records", I wonder if they should have
a mirror to check themselves up first".
Nevertheless I still trust most Canadian people are
friendly and open-minded. I am happy to see so many
objective and fair comments on the Polish immigrant's
case here.
I just wonder why there are still many shameless
dishonest people who are trying hard to help hiding
the faults of their government.
Posted November 16, 2007 06:52 AM
链接：
http://news.163.com/07/1116/16/3TEDCOIV0001121M.html (http://news.163.com/07/1116/16/3TEDCOIV0001121M.html)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/bc/2007/11/whats_your_reaction_to_this_vi.html
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怎么一夜间加拿大就成了地狱了？
怎么一夜间加拿大就成了地狱了？
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我也给今天发言的筒子都加了声望！
我也给今天发言的筒子都加了声望！
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请看本大厅见习记者加菲猫的最新报道：
作者: ..
我不明白你为何喜欢为加拿大的警察辩护。
明明他们做错了，错得很明显，只要不是白痴的人都可以看出来的。
我都懒得说你了，有空自己去看看其他加拿大人用英文是如何评论这一事件的。事实上从2003年到目前，加拿大警察已经使用电击枪杀死了17人。最近这个倒霉蛋只不过是17个之一而已。死都死了17个，伤的呢？不计其数了吧。
以前你都不知道吧？这个案例只是因为有偷拍录像才得以曝光，不然？
如果你抱这种事不关己的心态，也许要等到你自己碰到的那一天，才会悔悟吧。
关键是：这个新移民受害者根本就没有不配合，根本就没有任何抗拒行为。你还能说什么？警察一上来二话不说第一件事就是开枪干倒他。你喜欢这种感觉吗？也许你应该去尝试一下那电枪的滋味吧。
给你两个英文评论：
‘This gentleman had died at the R.C.M.P.'s hands in less time than it takes to make a cup of coffee and they made ABSOLUTELY NO ATTEMPT to help him.’
‘If it happened to him, it can happen to anyone. That has been shown now, as the latest incident at the Vancouver International Airport clearly demonstrates. ’
在这个案子中，警察过于使用暴力。但是加拿大警察整体不是都这个状态。以偏概全是不对了。
在加拿大一共使用Taser枪4000次，有17次致死。这应该不是针对新移民吧。 Taser枪是中距离，在手枪范围内，警棍范围外的东西。这就是规范吧。人人平等的东西。那个波兰移民当时没有配合警察，在录像上显示，他在试图离开。而且他从来都没做过，蹲下抱头之类的动作。一方面是他听不懂英语，另一方面是警察认为他不服从命令。这边警察就是这样，你不服从就要制服。犯罪分子都有枪，警察动作都很大的。以后的电击就不对了，后来的粗暴处理也是不对，但是第一下的电击是应该的。
你那个红字就纯粹是煽动了，出人命了，必须查得明明白白的，这里不是中国。几个小科级干部就能整出个黄静案来。
请看本大厅见习记者加菲猫的最新报道：
作者: ..
我不明白你为何喜欢为加拿大的警察辩护。
明明他们做错了，错得很明显，只要不是白痴的人都可以看出来的。
我都懒得说你了，有空自己去看看其他加拿大人用英文是如何评论这一事件的。事实上从2003年到目前，加拿大警察已经使用电击枪杀死了17人。最近这个倒霉蛋只不过是17个之一而已。死都死了17个，伤的呢？不计其数了吧。
以前你都不知道吧？这个案例只是因为有偷拍录像才得以曝光，不然？
如果你抱这种事不关己的心态，也许要等到你自己碰到的那一天，才会悔悟吧。
关键是：这个新移民受害者根本就没有不配合，根本就没有任何抗拒行为。你还能说什么？警察一上来二话不说第一件事就是开枪干倒他。你喜欢这种感觉吗？也许你应该去尝试一下那电枪的滋味吧。
给你两个英文评论：
‘This gentleman had died at the R.C.M.P.'s hands in less time than it takes to make a cup of coffee and they made ABSOLUTELY NO ATTEMPT to help him.’
‘If it happened to him, it can happen to anyone. That has been shown now, as the latest incident at the Vancouver International Airport clearly demonstrates. ’
在这个案子中，警察过于使用暴力。但是加拿大警察整体不是都这个状态。以偏概全是不对了。
在加拿大一共使用Taser枪4000次，有17次致死。这应该不是针对新移民吧。 Taser枪是中距离，在手枪范围内，警棍范围外的东西。这就是规范吧。人人平等的东西。那个波兰移民当时没有配合警察，在录像上显示，他在试图离开。而且他从来都没做过，蹲下抱头之类的动作。一方面是他听不懂英语，另一方面是警察认为他不服从命令。这边警察就是这样，你不服从就要制服。犯罪分子都有枪，警察动作都很大的。以后的电击就不对了，后来的粗暴处理也是不对，但是第一下的电击是应该的。
你那个红字就纯粹是煽动了，出人命了，必须查得明明白白的，这里不是中国。几个小科级干部就能整出个黄静案来。
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“...... 加拿大其实是一个非常可怕的国家。......”
楼主言过其实矣！
没必要把一个国家的阴暗面无限夸大，用来否定这个国家。从适宜现代人居住这个角度来衡量，加拿大毫无疑问比世界绝大多数国家好，尽管并非绝大多数中国移民都很适应加拿大的生活。
我认为中国人一波又一波地移民加拿大，对中华民族的正面意义就是：到世界任何一个角落去，分享属于全体地球人的资源。偶然的、孤立的不幸事件对我们只有统计学上的意义，不必过于较真。
我们经常会遇到很多种“托”，什么“医托”、“婚托”，拼命说某某的好话。做移民生意的中介，也可能拼命说某国如何如何好。楼主呢，看来就是一个“反托”、“Anti托”，专门说坏话的。
这也好，让我们看到了万花筒的阴暗面，还是要感谢楼主。
“...... 加拿大其实是一个非常可怕的国家。......”
楼主言过其实矣！
没必要把一个国家的阴暗面无限夸大，用来否定这个国家。从适宜现代人居住这个角度来衡量，加拿大毫无疑问比世界绝大多数国家好，尽管并非绝大多数中国移民都很适应加拿大的生活。
我认为中国人一波又一波地移民加拿大，对中华民族的正面意义就是：到世界任何一个角落去，分享属于全体地球人的资源。偶然的、孤立的不幸事件对我们只有统计学上的意义，不必过于较真。
我们经常会遇到很多种“托”，什么“医托”、“婚托”，拼命说某某的好话。做移民生意的中介，也可能拼命说某国如何如何好。楼主呢，看来就是一个“反托”、“Anti托”，专门说坏话的。
这也好，让我们看到了万花筒的阴暗面，还是要感谢楼主。
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地狱、天堂皆在人间
地狱、天堂皆在人间
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不必太担心，论这样事情的几率，可能加拿大是中国的万分之一，哪里没有恶魔，哪里没有天使。
我们谁没有见过中国城管砸摊打人，谁没见过官员专横跋扈，这些在加拿大都应该是少之又少，没有丑化我们伟大祖国的意思。
不必太担心，论这样事情的几率，可能加拿大是中国的万分之一，哪里没有恶魔，哪里没有天使。
我们谁没有见过中国城管砸摊打人，谁没见过官员专横跋扈，这些在加拿大都应该是少之又少，没有丑化我们伟大祖国的意思。
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