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那个神啥也不干,大的如地震震好了,洪水发好了,干旱旱好了,打仗打好了,小的嘛,骗的骗,傻的傻,杀人放火奸淫抢夺,独裁专制,....它不管,它就是听着祷告,然后不亦乐乎,每天听赞美你能不乐吗?
那个神啥也不干,大的如地震震好了,洪水发好了,干旱旱好了,打仗打好了,小的嘛,骗的骗,傻的傻,杀人放火奸淫抢夺,独裁专制,....它不管,它就是听着祷告,然后不亦乐乎,每天听赞美你能不乐吗?
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如果真有神,就应该把宇宙里的高级智能搞个联合会.让人家见个面.小的人类的事情不管可以理解,这个大事只有神能做了对吧?
有可能,但我们才几十年就已经旅行到太空了,如果他们更厉害的话,应该发现地球是适合高级智能生存的地方,那早已经该来拜访,不一定是亲自来,可以发信号对吧?现在我们人类发明的仪器可以收听很多人耳人眼看不到的信号.很可惜,目前为止还没收到类似高级智能发出的信号.我们人类已经在向外空间发了.但光要走几十亿年,那外星人也来不了.所以就是有,也没办法.
如果真有神,就应该把宇宙里的高级智能搞个联合会.让人家见个面.小的人类的事情不管可以理解,这个大事只有神能做了对吧?
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理论上来说，还是有可能的。比如说，信号速度不能超过光速，但实体飞船可以。那么信号明年到，飞船明天就到了。呵呵。
你说那宇宙联合会滴事儿，不是一般滴神能搞定的。得是大神级别，打个喷嚏能淹掉半个银河系那种，穿梭时空跟玩儿似地，每天早锻炼的事儿。
理论上来说，还是有可能的。比如说，信号速度不能超过光速，但实体飞船可以。那么信号明年到，飞船明天就到了。呵呵。
你说那宇宙联合会滴事儿，不是一般滴神能搞定的。得是大神级别，打个喷嚏能淹掉半个银河系那种，穿梭时空跟玩儿似地，每天早锻炼的事儿。
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各位朋友，关于科学与信仰之争，如果大家有兴趣的话，可以参考读一下此书第五章 http://www.jonahome.net/files/yzy/youziyindex.htm
其余就不多说了，免得再次卷入无谓的口舌之争。如若有兴趣讨论的可以PM偶。谢谢。
各位朋友，关于科学与信仰之争，如果大家有兴趣的话，可以参考读一下此书第五章 http://www.jonahome.net/files/yzy/youziyindex.htm
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那么，我也把过去另外一个社区卡尔加里热烈讨论的一个帖《感谢神》的链接放在这里吧。供没看到又愿意看的同学参考一下。一样热烈，一样的场景，甚至有很多几乎一样的语言。
http://bbs.canadameet.org/showthread.php?t=439394
那么，我也把过去另外一个社区卡尔加里热烈讨论的一个帖《感谢神》的链接放在这里吧。供没看到又愿意看的同学参考一下。一样热烈，一样的场景，甚至有很多几乎一样的语言。
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不好意思，今天比较忙，上来的时间有限，这里简单说说我的感受。
其实在这一点上，我完全同意你的观点：人的智慧不一定和宗教有关系。但如果我换一个角度来说，不知你会不会觉得也是一样的？我们说知识是认识客观世界的工具，那智慧呢？我觉得就是应用知识的能力，也是人类思考自己，探索未知世界（包括精神世界）的工具。所以，即使很多有智慧的人不信奉现在我们所称行的宗教，他大多也会有自己精神上的信仰。圣经上其实也提到了这种智慧，把它叫做人的智慧，相对应的还有上帝的智慧。在那里还说道：人类的智慧，在上帝的眼里就是愚顽；而且，在一些人智慧的眼里，他们也会把上帝的智慧叫做愚顽。这一点对很多人来说是有点玄乎艰深，留给喜欢探究的人去思考吧。不过如果真的有人愿意做这样的探讨，我也是很希望能够得到交流的。
人，其实都会有惰性的。但一些追求智慧的人，即使有惰性，他也会不时因为对智慧的追求而甘愿舍弃一些唾手可得的安然。像前面又说到的，其实怀疑也是人的天性，但如果你有了信仰，首先你就会试着用你的信仰来解释自己的怀疑。有的人认为怀疑会很容易摧毁一个人的信仰（就像伊甸园的蛇），不过应该看具体情况，对于初信得人或者对自己信仰认识不深的人，一个很初陋的怀疑就可能摧毁他的信仰。但对于一个有智慧，对信仰有较深思考的人来说，有挑战性的疑问，倒更有可能促使他进一步认识自己的信仰，使自己的信仰更为稳固。那是不是这样的人就不能被引诱和摧毁了呢？也不尽然。新中国有句谚语：“道高一尺，魔高一丈”，还是有许多的怀疑可以达到那样的杀伤力。所以圣经说：“小信的人”。对我来说，我还是喜欢听到那些有智慧的疑问的声音，说实话，探讨这样的问题，有可能都会互有裨益。人的信仰在被别人冲击的时候下意识会保护自己的观点，这应该是人的本性，应该得到相互的谅解。不过我也会小心区别那种诱惑或诡辩。我不喜欢用诡辩来对待诡辩，那是给自己的生存空间，也是留给别人的。
人的懒惰其实到处都是。曾经有位在温哥华的朋友，一年多没联系，后来在网上碰到，问她，结果跑到多伦多去了。我觉得很诧异，为她为什么。他说在温哥华她快疯了，趁着还有决心赶快逃离温哥华了。原来，她看到身边的很多人，刚来时都意气风发，很有雄心大志。结果不到一年，很多人都在这里打着labour，享受起生活来，根本就不再进取了。她怕自己呆下去也会那样，就赶紧抽身了。想来也是，人努力进取是为了什么？如果把进取看着今后获得幸福的付出，那温哥华这样好的环境，有个全职工作也基本可保生活无忧了，还要那劳什子的付出干啥？很多移民的孩子在国内读书也挺勤奋的，到了温哥华，很多人也就松懈下来了。这样的情况很多，像这里的留学生、国内出身城市或家庭环境好的学生、官二代富二代等。不过也有人把那种对知识和智慧的追求就当着一种乐趣，在哪里，他也改不了那个德性。
说是简短，又是一大箩。很多感受确实很难一言以蔽之。随行而至吧。
不好意思，今天比较忙，上来的时间有限，这里简单说说我的感受。
其实在这一点上，我完全同意你的观点：人的智慧不一定和宗教有关系。但如果我换一个角度来说，不知你会不会觉得也是一样的？我们说知识是认识客观世界的工具，那智慧呢？我觉得就是应用知识的能力，也是人类思考自己，探索未知世界（包括精神世界）的工具。所以，即使很多有智慧的人不信奉现在我们所称行的宗教，他大多也会有自己精神上的信仰。圣经上其实也提到了这种智慧，把它叫做人的智慧，相对应的还有上帝的智慧。在那里还说道：人类的智慧，在上帝的眼里就是愚顽；而且，在一些人智慧的眼里，他们也会把上帝的智慧叫做愚顽。这一点对很多人来说是有点玄乎艰深，留给喜欢探究的人去思考吧。不过如果真的有人愿意做这样的探讨，我也是很希望能够得到交流的。
人，其实都会有惰性的。但一些追求智慧的人，即使有惰性，他也会不时因为对智慧的追求而甘愿舍弃一些唾手可得的安然。像前面又说到的，其实怀疑也是人的天性，但如果你有了信仰，首先你就会试着用你的信仰来解释自己的怀疑。有的人认为怀疑会很容易摧毁一个人的信仰（就像伊甸园的蛇），不过应该看具体情况，对于初信得人或者对自己信仰认识不深的人，一个很初陋的怀疑就可能摧毁他的信仰。但对于一个有智慧，对信仰有较深思考的人来说，有挑战性的疑问，倒更有可能促使他进一步认识自己的信仰，使自己的信仰更为稳固。那是不是这样的人就不能被引诱和摧毁了呢？也不尽然。新中国有句谚语：“道高一尺，魔高一丈”，还是有许多的怀疑可以达到那样的杀伤力。所以圣经说：“小信的人”。对我来说，我还是喜欢听到那些有智慧的疑问的声音，说实话，探讨这样的问题，有可能都会互有裨益。人的信仰在被别人冲击的时候下意识会保护自己的观点，这应该是人的本性，应该得到相互的谅解。不过我也会小心区别那种诱惑或诡辩。我不喜欢用诡辩来对待诡辩，那是给自己的生存空间，也是留给别人的。
人的懒惰其实到处都是。曾经有位在温哥华的朋友，一年多没联系，后来在网上碰到，问她，结果跑到多伦多去了。我觉得很诧异，为她为什么。他说在温哥华她快疯了，趁着还有决心赶快逃离温哥华了。原来，她看到身边的很多人，刚来时都意气风发，很有雄心大志。结果不到一年，很多人都在这里打着labour，享受起生活来，根本就不再进取了。她怕自己呆下去也会那样，就赶紧抽身了。想来也是，人努力进取是为了什么？如果把进取看着今后获得幸福的付出，那温哥华这样好的环境，有个全职工作也基本可保生活无忧了，还要那劳什子的付出干啥？很多移民的孩子在国内读书也挺勤奋的，到了温哥华，很多人也就松懈下来了。这样的情况很多，像这里的留学生、国内出身城市或家庭环境好的学生、官二代富二代等。不过也有人把那种对知识和智慧的追求就当着一种乐趣，在哪里，他也改不了那个德性。
说是简短，又是一大箩。很多感受确实很难一言以蔽之。随行而至吧。
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很多人对于我们自己是否来自于一颗恒星不理解.其实正如古人讲某人是某星星下凡,我们每个人都来自于同一颗恒星.
The theory that everyone and everything on Earth contains minuscule star particles dates back further than Moby's popular 2002 song "We Are All Made of Stars."
In the early 1980s, astronomer Carl Sagan hosted and narrated a 13-part television series called "Cosmos" that aired on PBS. On the show, Sagan thoroughly explained many science-related topics, including Earth's history, evolution, the origin of life and the solar system. IBM Smart Business Cloudwww.smartcloudcamp.comMake the best of your enterprise software. Attend SmartCloud Camp!
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"We are a way for the universe to know itself. Some part of our being knows this is where we came from. We long to return. And we can, because the cosmos is also within us. We're made of star stuff," Sagan famously stated in one episode.
His statement sums up the fact that the carbon, nitrogen and oxygen atoms in our bodies, as well as atoms of all other heavy elements, were created in previous generations of stars over 4.5 billion years ago. Because humans and every other animal as well as most of the matter on Earth contain these elements, we are literally made of star stuff, said Chris Impey, professor of astronomy at the University of Arizona.
"All organic matter containing carbon was produced originally in stars," Impey told Life's Little Mysteries. "The universe was originally hydrogen and helium, the carbon was made subsequently, over billions of years."
How star stuff got to Earth
When it has exhausted its supply of hydrogen, it can die in a violent explostion, called a nova. The explosion of a massive star, called a supernova, can be billions of times as bright as the Sun, according to "Supernova," (World Book, Inc., 2005). Such a stellar explosion throws a large cloud of dust and gas into space, with the amount and composition of the material expelled varying depending on the type of supernova.
A supernova reaches its peak brightness a few days after it first occurred, during which time it may outshine an entire galaxy of stars. The dead star then continues to shine intensely for several weeks before gradually fading from view, according to "Supernova."
The material from a supernova eventually disperses throughout interstellar space. The oldest stars almost exclusively consisted of hydrogen and helium, with oxygen and the rest of the heavy elements in the universe later coming from supernova explosions, according to "Cosmic Collisions: The Hubble Atlas of Merging Galaxies," (Springer, 2009).
"It's a well-tested theory," Impey said. "We know that stars make heavy elements, and late in their lives, they eject gas into the medium between stars so it can be part of subsequent stars and planets (and people)."
Cosmic connections
So, all life on Earth and the atoms in our bodies were created in the furnace of now-long-dead stars, he said.
In 2002, music artist Moby released "We Are All Made of Stars," explaining during a press interview that his lyrics were inspired by quantum physics. "On a basic quantum level, all the matter in the universe is essentially made up of stardust," he said.
More recently, Symphony of Science, an artistic project headed by John Boswell and designed to deliver scientific knowledge though musical remixes, released "We Are All Connected." The song features clip of Sagan's "We're made of star stuff" proclamation, created into a song with software program Auto-Tune.
Got a question? Email it This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it to Life's Little Mysteries and we'll try to answer it. Due to the volume of questions, we unfortunately can’t reply individually, but we will publish answers to the most intriguing questions, so check back soon.
很多人对于我们自己是否来自于一颗恒星不理解.其实正如古人讲某人是某星星下凡,我们每个人都来自于同一颗恒星.
The theory that everyone and everything on Earth contains minuscule star particles dates back further than Moby's popular 2002 song "We Are All Made of Stars."
In the early 1980s, astronomer Carl Sagan hosted and narrated a 13-part television series called "Cosmos" that aired on PBS. On the show, Sagan thoroughly explained many science-related topics, including Earth's history, evolution, the origin of life and the solar system. IBM Smart Business Cloudwww.smartcloudcamp.comMake the best of your enterprise software. Attend SmartCloud Camp!
Jesus in The Urantia Bookwww.TruthBook.comIt’s finally here, the whole story. 2000 year old secrets revealed.
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"We are a way for the universe to know itself. Some part of our being knows this is where we came from. We long to return. And we can, because the cosmos is also within us. We're made of star stuff," Sagan famously stated in one episode.
His statement sums up the fact that the carbon, nitrogen and oxygen atoms in our bodies, as well as atoms of all other heavy elements, were created in previous generations of stars over 4.5 billion years ago. Because humans and every other animal as well as most of the matter on Earth contain these elements, we are literally made of star stuff, said Chris Impey, professor of astronomy at the University of Arizona.
"All organic matter containing carbon was produced originally in stars," Impey told Life's Little Mysteries. "The universe was originally hydrogen and helium, the carbon was made subsequently, over billions of years."
How star stuff got to Earth
When it has exhausted its supply of hydrogen, it can die in a violent explostion, called a nova. The explosion of a massive star, called a supernova, can be billions of times as bright as the Sun, according to "Supernova," (World Book, Inc., 2005). Such a stellar explosion throws a large cloud of dust and gas into space, with the amount and composition of the material expelled varying depending on the type of supernova.
A supernova reaches its peak brightness a few days after it first occurred, during which time it may outshine an entire galaxy of stars. The dead star then continues to shine intensely for several weeks before gradually fading from view, according to "Supernova."
The material from a supernova eventually disperses throughout interstellar space. The oldest stars almost exclusively consisted of hydrogen and helium, with oxygen and the rest of the heavy elements in the universe later coming from supernova explosions, according to "Cosmic Collisions: The Hubble Atlas of Merging Galaxies," (Springer, 2009).
"It's a well-tested theory," Impey said. "We know that stars make heavy elements, and late in their lives, they eject gas into the medium between stars so it can be part of subsequent stars and planets (and people)."
Cosmic connections
So, all life on Earth and the atoms in our bodies were created in the furnace of now-long-dead stars, he said.
In 2002, music artist Moby released "We Are All Made of Stars," explaining during a press interview that his lyrics were inspired by quantum physics. "On a basic quantum level, all the matter in the universe is essentially made up of stardust," he said.
More recently, Symphony of Science, an artistic project headed by John Boswell and designed to deliver scientific knowledge though musical remixes, released "We Are All Connected." The song features clip of Sagan's "We're made of star stuff" proclamation, created into a song with software program Auto-Tune.
Got a question? Email it This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it to Life's Little Mysteries and we'll try to answer it. Due to the volume of questions, we unfortunately can’t reply individually, but we will publish answers to the most intriguing questions, so check back soon.
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圣经说人是神用泥土捏的,因为古人只知道人死了被烧成灰.哪知道地球来源于恒星爆炸,而恒星上的基本元素氢元素和氦元素可以裂变成各种重元素.
His statement sums up the fact that the carbon, nitrogen and oxygen atoms in our bodies, as well as atoms of all other heavy elements, were created in previous generations of stars over 4.5 billion years ago. Because humans and every other animal as well as most of the matter on Earth contain these elements, we are literally made of star stuff, said Chris Impey, professor of astronomy at the University of Arizona.
"All organic matter containing carbon was produced originally in stars," Impey told Life's Little Mysteries. "The universe was originally hydrogen and helium, the carbon was made subsequently, over billions of years."
圣经说人是神用泥土捏的,因为古人只知道人死了被烧成灰.哪知道地球来源于恒星爆炸,而恒星上的基本元素氢元素和氦元素可以裂变成各种重元素.
His statement sums up the fact that the carbon, nitrogen and oxygen atoms in our bodies, as well as atoms of all other heavy elements, were created in previous generations of stars over 4.5 billion years ago. Because humans and every other animal as well as most of the matter on Earth contain these elements, we are literally made of star stuff, said Chris Impey, professor of astronomy at the University of Arizona.
"All organic matter containing carbon was produced originally in stars," Impey told Life's Little Mysteries. "The universe was originally hydrogen and helium, the carbon was made subsequently, over billions of years."
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觉得自己挺完美，根本不想放弃强壮的自我碉堡的。。。。。。觉得自己足够强大能够抵制一切诱惑，不需要任何指引的。。。。。喜欢纠结在具体的得失输赢，固执没有所谓的灵性思维的。。。。。读圣经读上10年，也不会入教的。。。。。所以入不入教，完全是自己的的一个决断，别人push没用的。。。。。入教的第一个礼仪受洗，不就是这个意思吗？第一步都做不到，干嘛读圣经呀。
觉得自己挺完美，根本不想放弃强壮的自我碉堡的。。。。。。觉得自己足够强大能够抵制一切诱惑，不需要任何指引的。。。。。喜欢纠结在具体的得失输赢，固执没有所谓的灵性思维的。。。。。读圣经读上10年，也不会入教的。。。。。所以入不入教，完全是自己的的一个决断，别人push没用的。。。。。入教的第一个礼仪受洗，不就是这个意思吗？第一步都做不到，干嘛读圣经呀。
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