回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
说实话，这样的语言要求，相当高哦
说实话，这样的语言要求，相当高哦
加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
- 主题发起人 杏花春雨
- 发布时间 2012-02-03
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Summary Report: The Federal Skilled Worker Program: Stakeholder and Public Consultations
Background
The Federal Skilled Worker Program
The Federal Skilled Worker Program (FSWP) is one of the Government of Canada’s main avenues to permanent immigration. The program uses a selection system established in 2002 that looks at the worker’s overall capacity to adapt to Canada’s labour market. It measures each applicant’s score on a grid of up to 100 points, taking into consideration factors such as education, work experience, knowledge of English or French and other criteria that have been shown to help them become economically established in Canada.
Consulting Stakeholders and the Public
In February and March 2011, Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) held consultations with stakeholders and the public to seek input on a number of proposed changes to the FSWP. Based on an evaluation of the program, academic research and best practices in other immigrant-receiving countries, the proposed changes aim to help Canada select immigrants who have the best chance of integrating and making a better contribution to the Canadian economy.
CIC consulted on the proposals to:
Executive Summary and Conclusion
Feedback received through the consultation process, both online and through in-person roundtable meetings, indicated general support for all of the proposed changes to the FSW program. For the most part, views expressed by the general public and those expressed by stakeholders were comparable in many areas, with some distinct viewpoints brought forward by stakeholders in some areas. The consultations yielded the following key findings:
Summary Report: The Federal Skilled Worker Program: Stakeholder and Public Consultations
Background
The Federal Skilled Worker Program
The Federal Skilled Worker Program (FSWP) is one of the Government of Canada’s main avenues to permanent immigration. The program uses a selection system established in 2002 that looks at the worker’s overall capacity to adapt to Canada’s labour market. It measures each applicant’s score on a grid of up to 100 points, taking into consideration factors such as education, work experience, knowledge of English or French and other criteria that have been shown to help them become economically established in Canada.
Consulting Stakeholders and the Public
In February and March 2011, Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) held consultations with stakeholders and the public to seek input on a number of proposed changes to the FSWP. Based on an evaluation of the program, academic research and best practices in other immigrant-receiving countries, the proposed changes aim to help Canada select immigrants who have the best chance of integrating and making a better contribution to the Canadian economy.
CIC consulted on the proposals to:
- require federal skilled workers to have a minimum level of language proficiency;
- make the program more accessible to skilled tradespeople and technicians;
- place greater emphasis on younger immigrants who will adapt more easily and be active members of the work force for a longer time;
- redirect points from work experience to other factors that better contribute to success in the Canadian labour market; and
- reduce the potential for fraudulent job offers.
Executive Summary and Conclusion
Feedback received through the consultation process, both online and through in-person roundtable meetings, indicated general support for all of the proposed changes to the FSW program. For the most part, views expressed by the general public and those expressed by stakeholders were comparable in many areas, with some distinct viewpoints brought forward by stakeholders in some areas. The consultations yielded the following key findings:
- Language: Stakeholders and the public were broadly supportive of minimum language thresholds by occupational classification and increased weighting for language. There was general agreement that language skills are important for success both in and out of the workplace.
- Age: The choice of 35 as the peak age to earn age points was met with mixed reaction. Those in support of changes noted that younger applicants would bring a greater economic benefit to Canada over the long term, and would have a higher potential to adapt, learn language and integrate. Others (particularly stakeholders) expressed that the proposed age cutoff of 35 is too low, noting that applicants up to age 40, or as high as 50, would generally have more work experience, and therefore could be more likely to succeed in finding work.
- Education: A reduction in the number of years of education required to claim points for a trade credential was met with strong support, particularly among stakeholders. Comments received noted the benefits for applicants and the labour market, indicating that the proposed changes were a positive step toward attracting talented applicants with a different set of qualifications than the existing points model rewards.
- Work experience: Support for changes to work experience was closely tied. There was a general acknowledgement among stakeholders and the public that foreign work experience is discounted by Canadian employers and agreement with the direction to reduce the value of work experience in order to shift more weight to other factors such as language and age. However, comments received also highlighted that experienceforeign or domesticis an integral factor for the screening of skilled workers and that there are varying degrees of transferability depending upon the occupation and, in certain sectors, foreign work experience is very highly valued.
- Arranged Employment (AE): Stakeholders and the general public were supportive of establishing clearer criteria for assessing the genuineness of a job offer. Members of the general public (Canadians and non-Canadians alike), noted a need to reduce cases of individuals taking advantage of Canada’s immigration system through fraudulent job offers. Stakeholders welcomed the proposed direction to improve the integrity and genuineness provisions, with some reservations expressed as to whether this would impose overly burdensome requirements on genuine employers and increase processing times.
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要求不算高,只要不是4x7,还是有办法达到的 , 但目前语言标准对医学 管理类可以说偏低的 ,有了亲戚+配偶加分,语言根本就没要求,
要求不算高,只要不是4x7,还是有办法达到的 , 但目前语言标准对医学 管理类可以说偏低的 ,有了亲戚+配偶加分,语言根本就没要求,
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现在澳洲就相对比较科学,比如技工 4x6, 某些工程师评估必须要4x6才能评估,
现在澳洲就相对比较科学,比如技工 4x6, 某些工程师评估必须要4x6才能评估,
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请注意，这次的“变法”可以说是“蓄谋已久”了，去年1月份到3月份移民部连续召开数次园桌会议，商讨变法细节，基本上可以说是大局已定，只不过这是“悄悄地干活”，所以我等还被蒙在鼓里。正在我煞费苦心左分析右分析时，人家那边已悄无声息地公布于众了。不过幸好，这次的分析，与移民部的征求意见稿基本一致，并且，我们的分析比移民部拟定的改革还要远，还要深刻。比如，设定最低英语要求，在征求意见的过程中，就存在很大的争议，而这个争议，在现在的移民框架下是无法解决的。这个现在就不多说了，本来这个话题我是计划写出来的。
移民部提议的英语要求是技工CLB6非技工CLB8，但最后出台究竟如何，目前无法定论。但无论如何，对中国申请人很不利。我们来个折衷的办法，即使对于非技工类申请，英语设定为CLB7，那要求也是比较高的，因为它同时要求的是听说读写四项，很多人将会因某一项达不到而不符合条件。
目前是征求公众意见阶段，3月份就停止，接下来移民部有三个月的时间进行文字方面的修订，时间还是比较宽裕的，所以，新政于今年7月份实施的可能性很大。
请注意，这次的“变法”可以说是“蓄谋已久”了，去年1月份到3月份移民部连续召开数次园桌会议，商讨变法细节，基本上可以说是大局已定，只不过这是“悄悄地干活”，所以我等还被蒙在鼓里。正在我煞费苦心左分析右分析时，人家那边已悄无声息地公布于众了。不过幸好，这次的分析，与移民部的征求意见稿基本一致，并且，我们的分析比移民部拟定的改革还要远，还要深刻。比如，设定最低英语要求，在征求意见的过程中，就存在很大的争议，而这个争议，在现在的移民框架下是无法解决的。这个现在就不多说了，本来这个话题我是计划写出来的。
移民部提议的英语要求是技工CLB6非技工CLB8，但最后出台究竟如何，目前无法定论。但无论如何，对中国申请人很不利。我们来个折衷的办法，即使对于非技工类申请，英语设定为CLB7，那要求也是比较高的，因为它同时要求的是听说读写四项，很多人将会因某一项达不到而不符合条件。
目前是征求公众意见阶段，3月份就停止，接下来移民部有三个月的时间进行文字方面的修订，时间还是比较宽裕的，所以，新政于今年7月份实施的可能性很大。
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移民部拟定的打分表
Selection based on objective factors|
Current System Maximum points|
Proposed System Maximum points
Education|25|25
Language|24|28
Work Experience|21|15
Age|10|12
Arranged Employment|10|10
Adaptability|10|10
Total|100|100
移民部拟定的打分表
Education|25|25
Language|24|28
Work Experience|21|15
Age|10|12
Arranged Employment|10|10
Adaptability|10|10
Total|100|100
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是的，澳洲的技术移民政策很科学，很完善。加拿大此次也是借鉴了澳洲的规则，但可惜的是还是没有到位，比如澳洲有职业评估，每个职业评估对资格，工作经验，语言能力设立要求，这样通过职业评估的人其可就业性就大大加强了。而因为加拿大没有职业评估，政策修改就会引起争议，就会有漏洞。比如英语要求，对于非技工类，移民局拟定是CLB8，就有人说8对某些职业太低了，比如对于医生护士，即使CLB8也不能达到LICENSING的标准；也有人说，8对于某些职业太高了，英语不是成功的实质性因素，并且申请人如果英语不好，完全可以到加拿大以后提高：众说纷纭，莫衷一是，其原因即在此。
是的，澳洲的技术移民政策很科学，很完善。加拿大此次也是借鉴了澳洲的规则，但可惜的是还是没有到位，比如澳洲有职业评估，每个职业评估对资格，工作经验，语言能力设立要求，这样通过职业评估的人其可就业性就大大加强了。而因为加拿大没有职业评估，政策修改就会引起争议，就会有漏洞。比如英语要求，对于非技工类，移民局拟定是CLB8，就有人说8对某些职业太低了，比如对于医生护士，即使CLB8也不能达到LICENSING的标准；也有人说，8对于某些职业太高了，英语不是成功的实质性因素，并且申请人如果英语不好，完全可以到加拿大以后提高：众说纷纭，莫衷一是，其原因即在此。
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请问目前趋势是达到CLB8拿最高一等分数,还是不达到CLB8即不允许申请?
CLB8级相当于要达到的雅思成绩为：说(6.5分)、听(7.5分)、读(6.5分)、写(6.5分)；似乎听力要求实在有点高啊!
请问目前趋势是达到CLB8拿最高一等分数,还是不达到CLB8即不允许申请?
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官网原文中总结变化的第一句是:
introducing minimum official language thresholds and increasing points for language
引入 thresholds就肯定是设置最低门槛,但是我觉得很疑惑的是:
1如果0-A类和大部分B类职业的最低语言门槛都设在CLB8
假设第一官方语言的权重打分假设在20(5分*4), 第二官方语言在8(2*4)维持不变,满足调整后的28分.
那不是所有符合最低门槛的非技工第一官方语言分数都是20分?
2本来技工就一直无法满足需求,至今很多职位都远没有cap,如果技工准入门槛到CLB6,那不是更招不到足够数量的技工移民了?
向杏花春雨老师求教
官网原文中总结变化的第一句是:
introducing minimum official language thresholds and increasing points for language
引入 thresholds就肯定是设置最低门槛,但是我觉得很疑惑的是:
1如果0-A类和大部分B类职业的最低语言门槛都设在CLB8
假设第一官方语言的权重打分假设在20(5分*4), 第二官方语言在8(2*4)维持不变,满足调整后的28分.
那不是所有符合最低门槛的非技工第一官方语言分数都是20分?
2本来技工就一直无法满足需求,至今很多职位都远没有cap,如果技工准入门槛到CLB6,那不是更招不到足够数量的技工移民了?
向杏花春雨老师求教
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
是要设置最低语言要求。
目前的一致看法是，必须要设立语言最低要求，但对于“最低”的标准，看法不一，大致有两类意见。第一类是不同职业不同最低语言要求；第二类则认为语言要求应统一，不应有例外。
个人倾向于第二种意见，即语言设立统一标准，且此标准不能太高，如太高则很多人根本无资格申请。CLB6是个适中的标准。具体分析见前文。
Minimum language requirements depending on occupation
Respondents were also favourable (68% in support) toward establishing minimum language requirements depending on occupation. Those in support indicated that different occupations (i.e., individuals in the medical profession versus those working in trades) have different language requirements and this flexibility was important to reflect the operational needs of different occupations. Respondents who were opposed stated that language requirements should be standardized for all professions, commenting that all skilled workers should have the same language proficiency, regardless of occupation.
官网原文中总结变化的第一句是:
introducing minimum official language thresholds and increasing points for language
引入 thresholds就肯定是设置最低门槛,但是我觉得很疑惑的是:
1如果0-A类和大部分B类职业的最低语言门槛都设在CLB8
假设第一官方语言的权重打分假设在20(5分*4), 第二官方语言在8(2*4)维持不变,满足调整后的28分.
那不是所有符合最低门槛的非技工第一官方语言分数都是20分?
2本来技工就一直无法满足需求,至今很多职位都远没有cap,如果技工准入门槛到CLB6,那不是更招不到足够数量的技工移民了?
向杏花春雨老师求教
是要设置最低语言要求。
目前的一致看法是，必须要设立语言最低要求，但对于“最低”的标准，看法不一，大致有两类意见。第一类是不同职业不同最低语言要求；第二类则认为语言要求应统一，不应有例外。
个人倾向于第二种意见，即语言设立统一标准，且此标准不能太高，如太高则很多人根本无资格申请。CLB6是个适中的标准。具体分析见前文。
Minimum language requirements depending on occupation
Respondents were also favourable (68% in support) toward establishing minimum language requirements depending on occupation. Those in support indicated that different occupations (i.e., individuals in the medical profession versus those working in trades) have different language requirements and this flexibility was important to reflect the operational needs of different occupations. Respondents who were opposed stated that language requirements should be standardized for all professions, commenting that all skilled workers should have the same language proficiency, regardless of occupation.
最后编辑: 2012-02-22
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Minimum language requirements depending on occupationAlthough it was generally agreed that the proposed thresholds were suitable minimums for immigration purposes, a few stakeholders felt that they were too high. Others felt that Canadian Language Benchmark (CLB) 8 (fluent intermediate), proposed for professionals, managers and technicians, was below full labour market readiness as the proposed CLB threshold might be lower than the threshold required to undertake a certification process, if required for licensing, or to be effective at their job. Others pointed out that there is a vast difference between workplace language proficiency and that required for integration, so it could still be difficult for immigrants to integrate even if they have the required CLB levels for their occupation.There was general support for the language benchmark thresholds for skilled trades at CLB 6 (developing intermediate). Stakeholders agreed that once in Canada, skilled tradespeople are required to have sufficient language proficiency for integration purposes to meet the minimum safety requirements of the job site. However, for that same reason, and because of the need to read technical manuals, it was suggested by some that the linguistic threshold should be set at CLB 7 (adequate intermediate) at the very least. Conversely, a limited number of stakeholders felt that the threshold proposed may be too high for applicants in the skilled trades.Some stakeholders called for a wider framing of the lower thresholds for their respective sectors, namely for chefs and cooks and agricultural workers. A few felt that some workers in these categories would have difficulty attaining even the lower language threshold and therefore, the program would be excluding certain occupations. However, it was noted that tradespeople, including cooks, chefs and agricultural workers, need good language skills for integration purposes, to withstand economic downturns and to make progress in their occupation.
原文：
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/consultations/fswp/meetings/index.asp
Minimum language requirements depending on occupationAlthough it was generally agreed that the proposed thresholds were suitable minimums for immigration purposes, a few stakeholders felt that they were too high. Others felt that Canadian Language Benchmark (CLB) 8 (fluent intermediate), proposed for professionals, managers and technicians, was below full labour market readiness as the proposed CLB threshold might be lower than the threshold required to undertake a certification process, if required for licensing, or to be effective at their job. Others pointed out that there is a vast difference between workplace language proficiency and that required for integration, so it could still be difficult for immigrants to integrate even if they have the required CLB levels for their occupation.There was general support for the language benchmark thresholds for skilled trades at CLB 6 (developing intermediate). Stakeholders agreed that once in Canada, skilled tradespeople are required to have sufficient language proficiency for integration purposes to meet the minimum safety requirements of the job site. However, for that same reason, and because of the need to read technical manuals, it was suggested by some that the linguistic threshold should be set at CLB 7 (adequate intermediate) at the very least. Conversely, a limited number of stakeholders felt that the threshold proposed may be too high for applicants in the skilled trades.Some stakeholders called for a wider framing of the lower thresholds for their respective sectors, namely for chefs and cooks and agricultural workers. A few felt that some workers in these categories would have difficulty attaining even the lower language threshold and therefore, the program would be excluding certain occupations. However, it was noted that tradespeople, including cooks, chefs and agricultural workers, need good language skills for integration purposes, to withstand economic downturns and to make progress in their occupation.
原文：
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/consultations/fswp/meetings/index.asp
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关于第二个问题答复如下：
根据提案中的新政打分标准，一个技工，年龄不超过32岁，英语中级，工作经验四年以上，我相信是完全符合移民标准的。他会在年龄，教育，工作经验方面得更多的分，从而达到67。
官网原文中总结变化的第一句是:
introducing minimum official language thresholds and increasing points for language
引入 thresholds就肯定是设置最低门槛,但是我觉得很疑惑的是:
1如果0-A类和大部分B类职业的最低语言门槛都设在CLB8
假设第一官方语言的权重打分假设在20(5分*4), 第二官方语言在8(2*4)维持不变,满足调整后的28分.
那不是所有符合最低门槛的非技工第一官方语言分数都是20分?
2本来技工就一直无法满足需求,至今很多职位都远没有cap,如果技工准入门槛到CLB6,那不是更招不到足够数量的技工移民了?
向杏花春雨老师求教
关于第二个问题答复如下：
根据提案中的新政打分标准，一个技工，年龄不超过32岁，英语中级，工作经验四年以上，我相信是完全符合移民标准的。他会在年龄，教育，工作经验方面得更多的分，从而达到67。
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http://www.iask.ca/news/canada/immigration/2012/0218/119195.html
呵呵，十项中其中最快的7月施行。
就是不知道哪些是“最快的”，^_^，要是都是“最快的”，中国的大部分技术移民就悲摧拉。尤其是语言最低要求拉。
我去念雅思拉，不在这吹牛拉。待会儿再来围观。^_^
http://www.iask.ca/news/canada/immigration/2012/0218/119195.html
呵呵，十项中其中最快的7月施行。
就是不知道哪些是“最快的”，^_^，要是都是“最快的”，中国的大部分技术移民就悲摧拉。尤其是语言最低要求拉。
我去念雅思拉，不在这吹牛拉。待会儿再来围观。^_^
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很奇怪,职业清单都没人讨论啊。楼主给指点下，这方面可能会怎么变？
1122配额十天之内秒杀，crane operator两年收不过30人，不知道移民局怎么考虑这个问题。
很奇怪,职业清单都没人讨论啊。楼主给指点下，这方面可能会怎么变？
1122配额十天之内秒杀，crane operator两年收不过30人，不知道移民局怎么考虑这个问题。
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