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87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

1. The applicant submitted an application for permanent residence in Canada including payment of the requisite processing fee, before Feb. 2008.

2. The applicant filed the application together with the appropriate filling fee required by law and believed upon payment that a contractual right had been established to have the application heard and processed which can be expressed as a legal legitimate expectation that this process will take place in accordance with IRPA and its regulations together with the objectives of IRPA. As such the applicant had a vested right and it would be unreasonable to confiscate arbitrarily this right and thus the applicant continues to have a right to be processed.

3. The rule of law is a fundamental principle of the constitution which has been indirectly derived from Magna Carta 1215. The rule of the law protects individuals from arbitrary state action which lacks reasonability. There is a presumption against the retroactivity of statutes. A statute will not be proceeded retroactively unless it states so explicitly and is not capable of any other interpretation. section 87.4 of IRPA is not sufficiently clear to be applied retrospectively.

4. Section 87.4 (1) of IRPA infringes section 15(1) of the Canadian Charter of Rights And Freedom and the infringement of under subsection 15(1) of the charter is not saved by section 1; the infringement is not a reasonable limit prescribed in law and is therefore of no force and effect.

5. The provisions of section 87.4must be interpreted in a manner consistent with all the provisions of IRPA. Section 25(1) of the IRPA provides an applicant may seek exemption from any of the provisions of IRPA section 25 (1) applies to all the provisions of IRPA and there is nothing in the language of section 87.4 IRPA to exempt it from the application of section 25(1), the applicant has a right to seek an exemption from the application of 87.4 on humanitarian and compassionate grounds prior to an officer applying 87.4 to the applicant’s application

6. In the alternative the language of section 87.4(1) of IRPA is vague and leads to uncertainty.

7. That while it may be permissible to foreclose a right of recourse if applications are terminated by clear operation of law, given the discretion involved in determining the applicability of sub section 87.4(1) of IRPA it is unlawful not to allow that discretion to be reviewed by the court in a meaningful way.

8. Section 87.4(2) leads to unjust enrichment contrary to The Financial Administration Act. with the applications terminated particularly after delays caused by the The Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Canada the enrichment becomes unjust and unlawful.

9. The delay in processing the application is not attributable to the applicant.

10. The minister is under duty to render a decision.

11. The decision was unlawfully made, in that the tribunal ignored relevant evidence, misconstrued the evidence before it and breached the principles of Fundamental and Natural Justice.

12. The tribunal erred in law in that it misconstrued the facts before it.

13. The tribunal erred in law in that it unduly fettered its discretion in the manner in which it conducted the termination.

14. The applicant has a legitimate expectation that filed application be processed in accordance with the policy manual.

15. Such further and other grounds as counsel may advise and Hon'ble court permits.

以上是印度人总结的87.4违宪的论点和相关证据
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

这些论点可能就是来自他们的律师。考虑得很周全,虽然有些地方还需要再推敲。

他们也在考虑25.2这个出口。
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

1也14号联邦法庭开始判决的时间转眼就要到了。我准备以你们ME被切这个最冤枉的群体为突破口,再上媒体逐一数落并加以痛斥87.4的法律漏洞,有理有据地把康尼的荒唐恶心形象还原给大众观赏!:wdb23::wdb6:


Sometimes it does not have to be logical though, the case Tim quoted, it "just does NOT make sense". That what the justice can say.

我觉得这点需要向律师提供,因为放635人CIC也一样会拿同样的理由说“不适用”!

感谢天堂。
 

Milky Monkey

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回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

I hope we can do the same, any arguments or points, speak out and deliver to our lawyers!

1. The applicant submitted an application for permanent residence in Canada including payment of the requisite processing fee, before Feb. 2008.

2. The applicant filed the application together with the appropriate filling fee required by law and believed upon payment that a contractual right had been established to have the application heard and processed which can be expressed as a legal legitimate expectation that this process will take place in accordance with IRPA and its regulations together with the objectives of IRPA. As such the applicant had a vested right and it would be unreasonable to confiscate arbitrarily this right and thus the applicant continues to have a right to be processed.

3. The rule of law is a fundamental principle of the constitution which has been indirectly derived from Magna Carta 1215. The rule of the law protects individuals from arbitrary state action which lacks reasonability. There is a presumption against the retroactivity of statutes. A statute will not be proceeded retroactively unless it states so explicitly and is not capable of any other interpretation. section 87.4 of IRPA is not sufficiently clear to be applied retrospectively.

4. Section 87.4 (1) of IRPA infringes section 15(1) of the Canadian Charter of Rights And Freedom and the infringement of under subsection 15(1) of the charter is not saved by section 1; the infringement is not a reasonable limit prescribed in law and is therefore of no force and effect.

5. The provisions of section 87.4must be interpreted in a manner consistent with all the provisions of IRPA. Section 25(1) of the IRPA provides an applicant may seek exemption from any of the provisions of IRPA section 25 (1) applies to all the provisions of IRPA and there is nothing in the language of section 87.4 IRPA to exempt it from the application of section 25(1), the applicant has a right to seek an exemption from the application of 87.4 on humanitarian and compassionate grounds prior to an officer applying 87.4 to the applicant’s application

6. In the alternative the language of section 87.4(1) of IRPA is vague and leads to uncertainty.

7. That while it may be permissible to foreclose a right of recourse if applications are terminated by clear operation of law, given the discretion involved in determining the applicability of sub section 87.4(1) of IRPA it is unlawful not to allow that discretion to be reviewed by the court in a meaningful way.

8. Section 87.4(2) leads to unjust enrichment contrary to The Financial Administration Act. with the applications terminated particularly after delays caused by the The Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Canada the enrichment becomes unjust and unlawful.

9. The delay in processing the application is not attributable to the applicant.

10. The minister is under duty to render a decision.

11. The decision was unlawfully made, in that the tribunal ignored relevant evidence, misconstrued the evidence before it and breached the principles of Fundamental and Natural Justice.

12. The tribunal erred in law in that it misconstrued the facts before it.

13. The tribunal erred in law in that it unduly fettered its discretion in the manner in which it conducted the termination.

14. The applicant has a legitimate expectation that filed application be processed in accordance with the policy manual.

15. Such further and other grounds as counsel may advise and Hon'ble court permits.

以上是印度人总结的87.4违宪的论点和相关证据
 

Milky Monkey

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回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

Support! A lot of blood and sweat stories.

1也14号联邦法庭开始判决的时间转眼就要到了。我准备以你们ME被切这个最冤枉的群体为突破口,再上媒体逐一数落并加以痛斥87.4的法律漏洞,有理有据地把康尼的荒唐恶心形象还原给大众观赏!:wdb23::wdb6:
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

I hope we can do the same, any arguments or points, speak out and deliver to our lawyers!


印度人给的这些论点虽然都有可取之处,也很管用,但对于87.4还是没有达到一剑封喉的效果,有几个能从全局居高临下出奇制胜把87.4打垮的论点他们都没有想到,哎~~~

那些论点也暂时不在论坛公开了,公开了的东西都会反馈到CIC那里。
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

话说回来,CIC的律师在回应TIM的motion时给出的论点也有很多幼稚的,他们居然把民主拿出来说事,说保守党是民主选出来的政府,这样的政府制定的一刀切如何如何。很可笑。。。。
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

1也14号联邦法庭开始判决的时间转眼就要到了。我准备以你们ME被切这个最冤枉的群体为突破口,再上媒体逐一数落并加以痛斥87.4的法律漏洞,有理有据地把康尼的荒唐恶心形象还原给大众观赏!:wdb23::wdb6:

支持天堂多联系一些媒体。 me了被切, 更多被康肥坑了一份体检费。
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

需要时间来策划. . . . .

Bellissimo已经上了OMNI电视专访谈一刀切违宪,但这些律师的媒体舆论远远不及TIM的。

必须要抓住1月14之前的时间造舆论。

希望1月14到16是TIM的案子的终点,到达终点,我就可以退伍了:wdb6:
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

其实这些都是表面现象,深层的原因就是不想要咱们中国人

实话。


不光是针对中国人,而是所有有色人种。

28万被一刀切的只有1.3万中国人。

87.3给移民部长的权利比加拿大女王还要大。只要部长下命令,甚至可以出台MI要求移民申请人必须是金发碧眼的纯种高加索白人,也可以要求申请人必须给保守党捐1万块才能申请。

这绝不是危言耸听,哈勃的保守党是加拿大极右的党转化来的,极右的党和有色人种就是水火不容的。

Justice Barnes驳回了28万人的禁制令,认可康尼这样做,无疑给康尼增加了胆量。既然出台87.4一刀切28万人这么容易,他还可以继续出台87.5,87.6。。。。继续一刀切其他类别的积压。
 
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这个证据不知道现在放给媒体是否太早?是不是留给律师法庭上用:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2011/2011-11-03.asp
尤其这一段:CIC completed an extensive evaluation of the FSWP in 2010, showing that the program is working well and selecting immigrants who perform well economically. The report found that 89 percent of FSWs were employed or self-employed three years after landing. Moreover, 95 percent of the employers surveyed indicated that FSWs were meeting or exceeding their expectations. The evaluation indicated a strong continuing need for skilled immigrants in Canada.
这句话:The report found that 89 percent of FSWs were employed or self-employed” three years“ after landing.根据2010年的研究,三年以来的评估说明技术移民表现好。这样算来,被评估人主要是pre-C50的移民。
康尼总是说技术移民没有干本行,平均工资低。实际上新移民开始要艰难一点,而且现在整个世界的劳工工资水平都偏低,如果将富有阶层的收入排除在外,反应了收入差距拉大的事实,技术移民不是投资移民,平均工资应该跟普通劳工比。投资移民反而应该跟高收入者比,可是CIC承认,技术移民贡献最大,投资移民并不成功,可是CIC却不以富人的平均工资来要求投资移民,反而切掉雇主满意的技术移民,这是歧视,要求移民必须干本行是不合理要求,每个人一生都可以从事不同职业!
 
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回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

这个证据不知道现在放给媒体是否太早?是不是留给律师法庭上用:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2011/2011-11-03.asp
尤其这一段:CIC completed an extensive evaluation of the FSWP in 2010, showing that the program is working well and selecting immigrants who perform well economically. The report found that 89 percent of FSWs were employed or self-employed three years after landing. Moreover, 95 percent of the employers surveyed indicated that FSWs were meeting or exceeding their expectations. The evaluation indicated a strong continuing need for skilled immigrants in Canada.
这句话:The report found that 89 percent of FSWs were employed or self-employed” three years“ after landing.根据2010年的研究,三年以来的评估说明技术移民表现好。这样算来,被评估人主要是pre-C50的移民。
康尼总是说技术移民没有干本行,平均工资低。实际上新移民开始要艰难一点,而且现在整个世界的劳工工资水平都偏低,如果将富有阶层的收入排除在外,反应了收入差距拉大的事实,技术移民不是投资移民,平均工资应该跟普通劳工比。投资移民反而应该跟高收入者比,可是CIC承认,技术移民贡献最大,投资移民并不成功,可是CIC却不以平均工资来要求投资移民,反而切掉雇主满意的技术移民,这是歧视,要求移民必须干本行是不合理要求,每个人一生都可以从事不同职业!


这个我早就给了TIM

我今年初在CIC网站看到有一篇publication,有权威研究显示加拿大应该在短期内每年引进100万新移民才能迅速缓解老龄化等危机。千真万确是CIC官网上的!!!那个连接后来无论如何也找不到了,可能被删除了吧。
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

支持天堂多联系一些媒体。 me了被切, 更多被康肥坑了一份体检费。


体检完了被通知切了,岂止是体检费这点钱,那根本就是把人玩死了啊。

还一直没有媒体报道体检被切这个神奇的事件,Toronto Star虽然对这些同学采访了,但根本没强调整个事情的荒唐性,没有突出重点

我比较看好这部分同学胜诉获签,但很可能会二次体检。
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

今天在加拿大联邦法庭网站,一个新鲜出炉的判决书里,找到了有利于我们的强大证据。那个判决是Justice Russel作的。

等有时间我再详解!
 
回复: 87.4对诉讼的影响 87.3对所有移民积案的影响

今天在加拿大联邦法庭网站,一个新鲜出炉的判决书里,找到了有利于我们的强大证据。那个判决是Justice Russel作的。

等有时间我再详解!

搬个小板凳过来坐等详情。。。
 

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