在家园网论坛上已经整一年

[小雷音]

有没有问下小宝需要ABA训练多久?

一般疗程是六年

 

[小雷音]

Birnbrauer and Leach have presented a 10-year follow-up, showing that the few children who did well in their study (four of them, none of whom achieved "normal functioning") did not maintain these gains on follow-up (Birnbrauer and Leach, 2006). Sheinkopf and Siegel (1998), the retrospective study, features no autistics who achieved "normal functioning", and also shows no correlation between intensity of treatment and outcome measures. Lovaas (2002) forcefully criticizes this study, and does not accept its validity.

McEachin, Smith & Lovaas (1993): the follow-up into school ages of Lovaas (1987): See above. One of the "normal functioning" children loses this status.

Howard et al. (2005): This is also a one-year study that compares an ABA-based intensive intervention (for which there is no manual), to "eclectic" treatment (ABA of unknown quantity or quality, plus contradictory approaches), as well as to generic segregated special education. The groups aren't matched. None of the children achieve "normal functioning". The reported "effectiveness" of the ABA-based treatment does not take into account the total failure of two children, who could not continue in ABA, and whose data were discarded.

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

目前没有对每个都有用的结论，说有明显效果的47percent,不能推出都有用的结论，更不能推出跟正常孩子差不多

这是1987年的数据~
到现在，还没有看到其他方法给出的数据~

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

有效=治愈?如何得出这个结论?
很可惜，最终只有1-2%的处于金字塔尖的能够最终成为正常人。

没有治愈这个概念~
通常的说法是，自闭症的孩子和正常孩子一起评测，专家看不出了~

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

有效=治愈?如何得出这个结论?
很可惜，最终只有1-2%的处于金字塔尖的能够最终成为正常人。

1987年的干预训练测试，正常率是47%~

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

一般疗程是六年

一辈子~

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

Birnbrauer and Leach have presented a 10-year follow-up, showing that the few children who did well in their study (four of them, none of whom achieved "normal functioning") did not maintain these gains on follow-up (Birnbrauer and Leach, 2006). Sheinkopf and Siegel (1998), the retrospective study, features no autistics who achieved "normal functioning", and also shows no correlation between intensity of treatment and outcome measures. Lovaas (2002) forcefully criticizes this study, and does not accept its validity.

McEachin, Smith & Lovaas (1993): the follow-up into school ages of Lovaas (1987): See above. One of the "normal functioning" children loses this status.

Howard et al. (2005): This is also a one-year study that compares an ABA-based intensive intervention (for which there is no manual), to "eclectic" treatment (ABA of unknown quantity or quality, plus contradictory approaches), as well as to generic segregated special education. The groups aren't matched. None of the children achieve "normal functioning". The reported "effectiveness" of the ABA-based treatment does not take into account the total failure of two children, who could not continue in ABA, and whose data were discarded.

这个看不懂~

 

[小雷音]

没有治愈这个概念~
通常的说法是，自闭症的孩子和正常孩子一起评测，专家看不出了~

只是按能上一般学校，不需要专人陪伴而已，而且没有这么多。我记得是21个中，5个能上不用特殊看护，11个能上但要特殊看护。其他还是不行。
而另一组则只有一个能上不用陪什么的。您的愿望是好的，但是很不客观
至于说的47%，只是说9 in19有 remarkable的改善，并没有说9in 19normal functioning
而且那个著名的两次测试，另一次1993年好象，很多质疑的地方，其他人进行的测试效果没有那么好

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

只是按能上一般学校，不需要专人陪伴而已，而且没有这么多。我记得是21个中，5个能上不用特殊看护，11个能上但要特殊看护。其他还是不行。
而另一组则只有一个能上不用陪什么的。您的愿望是好的，但是很不客观
至于说的47%，只是说9 in19有 remarkable的改善，并没有说9in 19normal functioning
而且那个著名的两次测试，另一次1993年好象，很多质疑的地方，其他人进行的测试效果没有那么好

ABA的发明人，已经反驳了这个说法~

 

[小雷音]

ABA的发明人，已经反驳了这个说法~

这个是他们自己说的

 

[小雷音]

While the therapy has always relied principally on positive reinforcement of preferred behavior, Lovaas's original technique also included more extensive use of aversives such as striking, shouting, or using electrical shocks.[17] These procedures have been widely abandoned for over a decade. A review of literature by autistic activistMichelle Dawson asserts that the method has become less effective since these stimuli were abandoned.[18] Only one institution, the Judge Rotenberg Center, still employs electric shocks as aversives—a practice that continues to cause them considerable legal and political controversy.[19] This has led some to question whether the use of aversives by those in behavioral institutions should be limited to those who are licensed (see licensed behavior analyst). Citation needed.

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

While the therapy has always relied principally on positive reinforcement of preferred behavior, Lovaas's original technique also included more extensive use of aversives such as striking, shouting, or using electrical shocks.[17] These procedures have been widely abandoned for over a decade. A review of literature by autistic activistMichelle Dawson asserts that the method has become less effective since these stimuli were abandoned.[18] Only one institution, the Judge Rotenberg Center, still employs electric shocks as aversives—a practice that continues to cause them considerable legal and political controversy.[19] This has led some to question whether the use of aversives by those in behavioral institutions should be limited to those who are licensed (see licensed behavior analyst). Citation needed.

这也是一场口水战~
有一些强制性的手段被禁止使用以后，确实会降低训练的效果~
这样恰恰说明，训练的有效性~
想不花功夫，就有效果，可能性是比较小的~

 

[cuicui26]

没有治愈这个概念~
通常的说法是，自闭症的孩子和正常孩子一起评测，专家看不出了~

我要表达的意思大家懂就可以了，而且就在后面有解释。或者加个引号。没必要咬文嚼字。
我的数据是被广泛认可的，不然我不会贸然写在网上的。

 

[Van Gogh]

楼主，反映个意见给你～～

http://forum.iask.ca/threads/温哥华版块应该叫自闭症专栏.788514/

http://forum.iask.ca/threads/小孩的病情隐私，做家长的是否有权在网上公开（包括病情细节和小孩照片）？.788524/#post-11141062

 

[小雷音]

这也是一场口水战~
有一些强制性的手段被禁止使用以后，确实会降低训练的效果~
这样恰恰说明，训练的有效性~
想不花功夫，就有效果，可能性是比较小的~

问题你将ABA理解得比他们自己说的还有效果。关于ABA的研究有500篇论文，还有对其10年跟踪研究

 

[cuicui26]

一般他们会这样答复，看看ABA的机理吧，对症是关键。

一辈子~

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

楼主，反映个意见给你～～

http://forum.iask.ca/threads/温哥华版块应该叫自闭症专栏.788514/

http://forum.iask.ca/threads/小孩的病情隐私，做家长的是否有权在网上公开（包括病情细节和小孩照片）？.788524/#post-11141062

昨天是世界自闭症日~
这么多人关注自闭症，我还是很欣慰的~

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

问题你将ABA理解得比他们自己说的还有效果。关于ABA的研究有500篇论文，还有对其10年跟踪研究

根据我们自己的了解，到目前为止，还没有看到比ABA更加有效的训练方法~

 

[老詹的高尔夫生活]

一般他们会这样答复，看看ABA的机理吧，对症是关键。

我曾经看到一本书，两个孩子的情况几乎相同，两位母亲是好朋友~
他们用同样的方法和精力，效果却大不同~

 

[Van Gogh]

昨天是世界自闭症日~
这么多人关注自闭症，我还是很欣慰的~

一个社区论坛网友们只是请你考虑类似主题归在一个帖子里，有不同的主题再分开发，大家这样为你吵来吵去，你感到被关注了，特满足吧？

温版凤姐～～