有了解ETFs的朋友吗?

tangge

nf ⊙o⊙
一般是交易量太少,发行商不赚钱甚至亏本,就会关闭, 有些ETF每天就几百的交易量,实在是太少了.

2X , 3X 是因为有衰减,所以只适合短炒 , 举个例子,1X 如果头天涨1%,第二天跌1%,这样涨跌交替,持续一段时间,1X 价格没多大变化, 但 2X , 3X 会逐渐衰减,最后亏一大截。极端例子,1X今天跌50%,明天涨100% ,价格无变化,但 2X , 3X 今天就会跌到接近0 , 明天别说涨几倍,就是涨几十倍都没救了,

谢谢,学习了。 看来还得买大的知名一些的。
 

tangge

nf ⊙o⊙
实在要买黄金在这三个中就买Goldcorp,它的黄金成本较低,还有红利。

谢谢。

这个是根据尘缘的建议,随便挑了三个,做个实验,观察看看股票风险如何的。

查看了黄金的历史价格,相比 2000 年还是高很多很多。因此这东西不懂还真不敢随便碰啊。你们说的对。
 
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我就是从这个贴里学习后,外加马丁的建议,买入四支美股:spy 205.6美元买入,V 64.6美元买入,mdy 275美元前天买入, MA 86.69美元前天买入。我是闲钱投资,不打算卖,打算继续定投下去的。

mdy 和spy 这种指数etf不是每天一个价,是时时刻刻在变动价格的,买入后,就可以立刻卖出。完全和单个个股一样。
谢谢梦溪
 
怎样买D版,这不是通过advisor才能买的吗?Advisor会收取其他费用的吧。
D版,顾名思义就是直接在Discount broker购买,也就是在你的投资账户开户行在线购买,当然就不通过Advisor,费用也就大幅下降。比如,RBF591(A系列)和RBF1018(D系列)其实是同一个基金,但RBF1018手续费要便宜不少,如果我自己在线操作,当然选RBF018了。

D版基金是加拿大近年来出现的新品种,目的就是减少加拿大互惠基金(MF)高昂的手续费。所以,今后大家买基金的时候,要留个心眼,查查有没有相应的D版。
 
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tangge

nf ⊙o⊙
我就是从这个贴里学习后,外加马丁的建议,买入四支美股:spy 205.6美元买入,V 64.6美元买入,mdy 275美元前天买入, MA 86.69美元前天买入。我是闲钱投资,不打算卖,打算继续定投下去的。

mdy 和spy 这种指数etf不是每天一个价,是时时刻刻在变动价格的,买入后,就可以立刻卖出。完全和单个个股一样。

看了下 spy 多年来涨幅都稳定。但如果从历史的高点附近全仓买入(如2000年 2007年),则到如今也基本赚不到钱。如果从 1995 年买入的则 20年涨幅了 3 倍。不知道算不算高。
但如果 2009 年较低位买入则 5 年涨幅 2 倍就很高。 可见,缓慢上涨并伴随深度调整的股票或者指数,如果大量买入时机不佳,也不行。

你的定投应该是好办法。

不知道这么分析是不是准确。或许这种指数除了股价上涨,也有分红扩股什么的吗。
 

梦溪

人生就是一场旅行
看了下 spy 多年来涨幅都稳定。但如果从历史的高点附近全仓买入(如2000年 2007年),则到如今也基本赚不到钱。如果从 1995 年买入的则 20年涨幅了 3 倍。不知道算不算高。
但如果 2009 年较低位买入则 5 年涨幅 2 倍就很高。 可见,缓慢上涨并伴随深度调整的股票或者指数,如果大量买入时机不佳,也不行。

你的定投应该是好办法。

不知道这么分析是不是准确。或许这种指数除了股价上涨,也有分红扩股什么的吗。
[FONT=宋体]我去年7/8月份一次买入7万的RBF591给我一个深刻教训就是,无论如何不能一次买入,闲钱哪怕无息放在一边,也不能一次性的投入一种产品。定投的话,我的RBF591现在肯定赚几大千是起码的。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体][FONT=宋体]spy有分红,每年分红率将近2%[/FONT][/FONT]
 
D版,顾名思义就是直接在Discount broker购买,也就是在你的投资账户开户行在线购买,当然就不通过Advisor,费用也就大幅下降。比如,RBF591(A系列)和RBF1018(D系列)其实是同一个基金,但RBF1018手续费要便宜不少,如果我自己在线操作,当然选RBF018了。

D版基金是加拿大近年来出现的新品种,目的就是减少加拿大互惠基金(MF)高昂的手续费。所以,今后大家买基金的时候,要留个心眼,查查有没有相应的D版。

D版基金和etf的区别在哪里呢?etf可以直接从网上买,D版基金应该是一样的操作。
 
看了下 spy 多年来涨幅都稳定。但如果从历史的高点附近全仓买入(如2000年 2007年),则到如今也基本赚不到钱。如果从 1995 年买入的则 20年涨幅了 3 倍。不知道算不算高。
但如果 2009 年较低位买入则 5 年涨幅 2 倍就很高。 可见,缓慢上涨并伴随深度调整的股票或者指数,如果大量买入时机不佳,也不行。

你的定投应该是好办法。

不知道这么分析是不是准确。或许这种指数除了股价上涨,也有分红扩股什么的吗。

定投也比较麻烦,一是每次买进要付10元钱,如果才买1000元的基金太不划算。二是不知道怎么设定定投,在网上可以自动设定吗?
 
[FONT=宋体]我去年7/8月份一次买入7万的RBF591给我一个深刻教训就是,无论如何不能一次买入,闲钱哪怕无息放在一边,也不能一次性的投入一种产品。定投的话,我的RBF591现在肯定赚几大千是起码的。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体][FONT=宋体]spy有分红,每年分红率将近2%[/FONT][/FONT]
这两天RBF591涨点了。
 
Opinion: Forget about Wall Street: Shanghai is now the market to watch
By Matthew Lynn
Published: Apr 22, 2015 3:30 a.m. ET

Chinese investors, brokers and banks will dominate global finance


shanghai_042215
Get up. Take shower. Brush teeth. Feed the cat or the dog. Check what the Shanghai market has been doing overnight.

For anyone in Europe who takes the markets seriously , that is now the regular morning routine. It is very much as it has always been, except with one big difference. Whereas once the standard reflex would have been to look at what had happened on Wall Street overnight, with perhaps a sideways glance at Tokyo, now it is Shanghai that investors look to.

What happens in China is now what dominates what happens in the rest of the world.

In the last few months, the Chinese equity indices have been roaring ahead. That is going to be the trigger for a big change. For at least 100 years, Wall Street has been the dominant global financial market, and it was from the Dow DJIA, +0.49% and the S&P 500 SPX, +0.51% that all the other bourses around the world took their lead.

From now onwards, that is likely to be Shanghai. Wall Street is about to be relegated into second place — and that is going to have big consequences for the way the markets in money work. Such as? Wall Street will become a regional bourse, more like London’s FTSE. The Chinese banks and brokers will dominate the markets.

And we will have to get used to a market dominated far more by private investors, and the state, and less by the professionals and the hedge funds.

No one can have failed to notice that the Chinese equity markets have been racing ahead this year. We have grown used over the last decade to the Chinese industrial machine swamping the world with manufactured goods, and we have become increasingly aware of the rise of a new breed of Chinese companies buying up assets around the world.

For years, however, its financial markets remained in the doldrums. Now it is acquiring the financial might to match its industrial muscle. The Shanghai Composite SHCOMP, +2.44% has blown every other market out of the water in the past year, more than doubling in value. Since February alone, it has risen from 3,000 to 4,300, and keeps on going upwards. Like any market, once it gets on a roll, nothing seems to stop it. Chinese exports can fall, and its property market can wobble, but the Shanghai Composite simply shrugs bad news aside and keeps on climbing.

Of course, it might all be a bubble. The Chinese have always liked to gamble, and they are taking to stocks the same way they took to roulette — with spendthrift, reckless abandon.

Even veterans of the dot-com bubble of 15 years ago are likely to feel queasy at some of the valuations put on Chinese companies. Technology stocks are trading on price-to-earnings ratios of more than 220, compared with 156 for the Nasdaq index COMP, +0.42% at the peak of the Internet boom.

Just as with any boom, there are flimsy companies being chased up to ridiculous valuations. That said, just because price have risen does not necessarily mean the market has gone mad. China has grown hugely richer just in the last five years alone, and its stock market has not kept pace with that — so it might simply be playing catchup.

What it certainly means is that the Shanghai index is about to become one of the biggest in the world.

In November last year, it overtook Tokyo to become the second largest stock index measured by total capitalization. It is still only around a third of the size of the of the U.S. market. But when you take the number of initial public offerings — and keep in mind that a Deloitte report showed Chinese listings overtaking U.S. ones in both size and value in the first quarter of this year — and the run up in share prices, and it is not hard to speculate that the Chinese index will be the world’s largest by the end of this decade, and possibly before.

That is already making a big difference in the rest of the world.

For three or four generations, the most important thing every investor needed to know was what was happening on Wall Street. It was home to the world’s biggest companies, operating in the world’s biggest economy. If the Dow were up, then the FTSE UKX, -0.49% , the CAC-40 PX1, +0.36% and the DAX DAX, -0.60% would all rise the next day. If it were down, they would all fall. New York set the pace and the pulse of the markets elsewhere.

Now that is inevitably going to change. So much money is going to be cascading out of a booming Shanghai index, and it will be so influential, that it seems inevitable that it will soon match Wall Street and then eclipse it. Indeed, it may have already done so — it is already to its performance that most European investors look.

But it will make a difference in other ways as well. As Shanghai becomes the world’s biggest stock market, it is Chinese bankers and brokers that will dominate it. Already more than half of the top 20 brokers and investment banks by market value are from China. The likes of Citic Securities and Shenwan Hongyuan will soon be as familiar as Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley.

And the mood will be different. Whereas the Wall Street markets were largely dominated by professional money managers, at least for the last 50 years, the Chinese market is very different. It is dominated by small, private investors — more than 10 million personal accounts have been opened in China since December alone. And it is heavily directed by the state, in a way the U.S. market never has been.

If you think Wall Street was volatile, wait until you see what a market dominated by Shanghai is like.

Still, whether it is better or worse makes no difference. In the next few years, Wall Street will have been relegated to second place in the view of the rest of the world — and it is Shanghai that will have taken its place. Every investor will have to get used to that.
 
上海必将取代华尔街
新浪财经编译

 导读:MarketWatch专栏作家莱恩(MATTHEW LYNN)认为,在这个十年结束时,甚至更早,上海就将取代华尔街,成为全球最大股市,而全球金融市场也将由此受到一系列深远影响。
  以下即莱恩的评论文章全文:
  起床时间到。冲个澡,刷刷牙,喂一下猫猫狗狗……然后看看上海市场昨晚表现如何。
  这不是开玩笑,对于任何认真研究市场的欧洲人而言,这正是他们早晨起床后的标准程式。或者我们应该说,这程式其实存在很久了,只是最近才发生了一个变化。具体说来,他们过去习惯去看的,其实是华尔街,或者有时候也会往东京瞟一眼,但是现在,绝对是上海。
  现在,中国所发生的事情将决定世界其他地方会发生什么。
  过去几个月以来,中国股指简直是咆哮狂奔。一个重大的变化很可能将由此触发。至少在一个世纪的时间当中,华尔街都是全球金融市场的主轴,全世界的人们都将道琼斯工业平均指数和标准普尔500指数视为金融风向标。
  可是从现在开始,上海可能会成为新的风向标,而华尔街则只能屈居第二——不必说,这对金融市场的运作将产生一系列整体性影响。比如华尔街将边缘化,地位类似于现在伦敦的富时指数。中国的银行和券商们将成为市场的统治者。
  我们必须学会适应,适应这种新的形势——市场将不再主要由专业人士和对冲基金控制,而是由散户和国家控制。
  中国股市今年的进展,谁都不可能忽略。过去十年当中,我们已经渐渐习惯了中国的工业机器轰隆隆运转,将他们的制造业商品洒遍全球,我们同样也习惯了整整一波中国企业涌向世界各地,到处去收购资产。
  可是,在很长的时间当中,这一切都与金融市场无缘。现在,中国开始要求属于自己的,能够与其工业肌肉相匹配的金融力量了。去年,上证指数翻了一番还有余,将其他所有主要市场都抛在了身后。单单2月一个月,指数就从3000点涨到了4300点,而且之后还持续上扬。任何市场都一样,一旦雪球滚了起来,想要让其停止都几乎是不可能的。中国的出口可能在缩水,中国的房地产市场可能在动摇,但是上证指数根本就毫不理会这些坏消息,只管自顾自地疯涨。
  当然,这完全可能就是个泡沫。中国人总喜欢赌一把,在他们看来,股市和轮盘原本也没有区别,只管大手大脚,把钱砸上去就好。
  哪怕曾经经历了十五年前互联网泡沫的投资老手,看到一些中国企业的估值时,恐怕也会惊到合不拢嘴。比如,科技板块的市盈率目前超过了220,而互联网泡沫最疯狂时,纳斯达克综合指数的市盈率也不过只有156。
  高度不靠谱的企业受到了疯狂追捧,价格高到荒唐,这样的情况不单单是在泡沫期,任何股市繁荣阶段也都会出现。这也就是说,这种股价的不合理上涨并不等于市场就已经彻底疯狂。中国在过去五年当中获得了可观的经济进展,而股市并没有能够跟上这脚步,因此我们现在所看到的,很可能只是追赶而已。
  问题的关键是在于,上证指数将要成为世界上最大的指数之一。
  去年11月,以总市值计算,它就已经超过了东京,成为全球第二大股票指数。诚然,和美国市场相比,它的规模仍然只有对手的三分之一,但是如果你将IPO的规模——德勤的一份报告显示,今年第一季度当中,中国上市新股的数量和总价值都超过了美国——和股价的上涨速度都考虑进去,你就很容易会想到,中国的指数在这个十年结束时,甚至更早时就将成为全球第一。
  事实上,世界其他地方已经在因此发生巨大的变化了。
  在三四代人的时间内,每一个投资者都必须了解的最重要的事情都是华尔街上到底发生了什么。那里是世界上最大的企业们的老家,世界上最大的经济体的中枢。如果美国股市上涨,则伦敦、巴黎和法兰克福第二天都会跟进,而如果美国下跌,这些国家也一个都跑不掉。别处市场的脉搏与呼吸,都是由纽约掌控着。
  可是现在,这一规则正在发生不可避免的变化。如此庞大的资金都押注在上海指数的繁荣之上,将形成巨大的影响力,而这影响力相信很快就可以和华尔街相匹配,并且最终完成超越。事实上,这一切已经在进行之中,众多欧洲投资者已经开始习惯将视线聚焦到上海。
  只是,趋势变化带来的改变绝对不止于此。上海正在成为全球最大的股市,而其统治力掌握在中国的银行家和券商手中。现在,以市值论,全球顶尖的二十家券商和投资银行已经有半数以上是来自中国了。很快,这世界就会像熟悉高盛摩根士丹利一样熟悉中信证券申万宏源了。
  整个游戏氛围也将发生变化。华尔街市场至少近五十年来,主要都是由专业的资产经理人控制的,而中国市场则全然不同。市场上的玩家主要是散户——从去年12月算起,个人账户开户数量就超过了1000万。更不必说,市场受着国家政策的强力引导,这在美国是从来不曾发生过的。
  如果你觉得华尔街是波动的同义词,那么不要着急,等到上海统治市场时,你就明白什么是真正的波动了。
  变化已经在发生之中了,不管你喜欢或者不喜欢,也不管到底是好还是坏。未来几年时间内,华尔街将不得不在全球层面上退居第二,而上海将取而代之。每一位投资者都必须学会适应。
 

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