- 主题发起人 杏花春雨
- 发布时间 2012-02-03
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
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回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
哦 那请问已经S2的呢？退款不？
哦 那请问已经S2的呢？退款不？
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
已经S2说明案子已经被处理了，所以，这样的CASE应该不在退款之列了。
依据： An applicant may withdraw an application and receive a refund of the cost recovery fee any time before processing of the application begins at a visa office or at the CIO. This rule also applies to applications that are not eligible for processing according to the Ministerial Instructions. Once processing has begun at a visa office or at the CIO, the cost recovery fee is not refundable.（援引自OP6）
所以，从现在的局面看，S2对91SAP有些讽刺，S2或许是CIC的骗局，而因为S2而高兴的申请人很有可能会是狗咬尿泡空欢喜。
我希望我错了。
已经S2说明案子已经被处理了，所以，这样的CASE应该不在退款之列了。
依据： An applicant may withdraw an application and receive a refund of the cost recovery fee any time before processing of the application begins at a visa office or at the CIO. This rule also applies to applications that are not eligible for processing according to the Ministerial Instructions. Once processing has begun at a visa office or at the CIO, the cost recovery fee is not refundable.（援引自OP6）
所以，从现在的局面看，S2对91SAP有些讽刺，S2或许是CIC的骗局，而因为S2而高兴的申请人很有可能会是狗咬尿泡空欢喜。
我希望我错了。
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
上联：好久没来了，91的开始了吗？ 有说开始的，有说没开始的，莫衷一是，有人起哄架秧子。乃不知有汉，无论魏晋……精辟！一个比一个精辟！精辟的堪称人才啊！91的移民火星了。质疑的都心理阴暗？！哈哈~~~~
下联：每天都来了，91的开始了吗？ 有没动静的，有转省提名的，谣言四起，有人散布假消息。却不知所云，无论真假……屁精！一个比一个屁精！屁精的不算坏银啊！91的未来渺茫了。相信的都阳光乐观！？哼哼~~~~
横批：谁放P谁混蛋！！
上联：好久没来了，91的开始了吗？ 有说开始的，有说没开始的，莫衷一是，有人起哄架秧子。乃不知有汉，无论魏晋……精辟！一个比一个精辟！精辟的堪称人才啊！91的移民火星了。质疑的都心理阴暗？！哈哈~~~~
下联：每天都来了，91的开始了吗？ 有没动静的，有转省提名的，谣言四起，有人散布假消息。却不知所云，无论真假……屁精！一个比一个屁精！屁精的不算坏银啊！91的未来渺茫了。相信的都阳光乐观！？哼哼~~~~
横批：谁放P谁混蛋！！
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
S2是VO们和91申请人开玩笑~！！不好当真的。
奉上小小说一篇，供一笑。
某一日，老佛爷觉得无聊，八面玲珑的李莲英公公，决定给老佛爷讲个笑话：“从前啊，有个太监啊…… ~” 之后，李莲英便闭口不语了。老佛爷等了半天，也没见李莲英有搭话的意思，实在忍不住了就问：“小李子，下边呢？” 李莲英笑着说：“回老佛爷的话，下边没了！~”
若干年后，当年在场伺候的宫女乙接受CCTV访问时，幸福的追忆道：“我记得当时老佛爷乐出了鼻涕泡儿！”
CCTV记者又好奇的问：“当时所有在场的太监宫女都陪着老佛爷笑吗？”
宫女乙回答说：“老佛爷真是天威莫测！老佛爷看到在场的太监宫女在陪着笑，天颜大怒，说：'你们这帮没有下边儿的奴才，懂得什么下边儿没了？’ ”
CCTV记者又问：“再后来呢？”
宫女乙回答说：“再后来就是老佛爷把那些在场的宫女有一个算一个都赏给了那些在场的太监，一人一个。说是要好好让他们互相知道知道什么是下边儿没了和没有下边！”
CCTV记者又好奇的问：“那你当时怎么说的？有没有怀疑到底下边儿有没有？”
宫女乙回答说：“我能怎么说呀？ 又敢怎么说呀？哪敢怀疑啊？我就只好说：‘回老佛爷，奴婢不知道。老佛爷说下边儿有，那下边儿就是有，老佛爷说下边儿没有，那下边儿就没有。李总管说下边儿有，那下边儿就是有，李总管说下边儿没有，那下边儿就没有。”
CCTV记者又问：“那老佛爷又怎么说？”
宫女乙回答道：“你很阴暗嘛！问我这个问题，你不怀好意啊！你是不是不希望下边儿有啊？你信不信我们一帮太监宫女虽然下边儿都没有，我们就发帖围攻你，抹黑你，我们脱了裤子把下边儿没有的地方亮给你恶心死你？”
CCTV记者又问：“再下边呢？”
宫女乙回答说：“哪儿还有下边儿啊？下边早都没了！~”
访问结束。
S2是VO们和91申请人开玩笑~！！不好当真的。
奉上小小说一篇，供一笑。
某一日，老佛爷觉得无聊，八面玲珑的李莲英公公，决定给老佛爷讲个笑话：“从前啊，有个太监啊…… ~” 之后，李莲英便闭口不语了。老佛爷等了半天，也没见李莲英有搭话的意思，实在忍不住了就问：“小李子，下边呢？” 李莲英笑着说：“回老佛爷的话，下边没了！~”
若干年后，当年在场伺候的宫女乙接受CCTV访问时，幸福的追忆道：“我记得当时老佛爷乐出了鼻涕泡儿！”
CCTV记者又好奇的问：“当时所有在场的太监宫女都陪着老佛爷笑吗？”
宫女乙回答说：“老佛爷真是天威莫测！老佛爷看到在场的太监宫女在陪着笑，天颜大怒，说：'你们这帮没有下边儿的奴才，懂得什么下边儿没了？’ ”
CCTV记者又问：“再后来呢？”
宫女乙回答说：“再后来就是老佛爷把那些在场的宫女有一个算一个都赏给了那些在场的太监，一人一个。说是要好好让他们互相知道知道什么是下边儿没了和没有下边！”
CCTV记者又好奇的问：“那你当时怎么说的？有没有怀疑到底下边儿有没有？”
宫女乙回答说：“我能怎么说呀？ 又敢怎么说呀？哪敢怀疑啊？我就只好说：‘回老佛爷，奴婢不知道。老佛爷说下边儿有，那下边儿就是有，老佛爷说下边儿没有，那下边儿就没有。李总管说下边儿有，那下边儿就是有，李总管说下边儿没有，那下边儿就没有。”
CCTV记者又问：“那老佛爷又怎么说？”
宫女乙回答道：“你很阴暗嘛！问我这个问题，你不怀好意啊！你是不是不希望下边儿有啊？你信不信我们一帮太监宫女虽然下边儿都没有，我们就发帖围攻你，抹黑你，我们脱了裤子把下边儿没有的地方亮给你恶心死你？”
CCTV记者又问：“再下边呢？”
宫女乙回答说：“哪儿还有下边儿啊？下边早都没了！~”
访问结束。
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
事情正在起变化政府态度已明确了
加拿大政府已通过预算案，要退回申请费用1300万，这意味着加拿大政府计划对于2008年2月26日以前的30万联邦技术移民申请人全部作废。
相关链接：
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n12/data/12-033_2-eng.asp
The Government of Canada announced on 29 March 2012 a plan to reduce the backlog of Federal Skilled Worker (FSW) applications by returning all applications and government fees submitted prior to 27 February 2008. This will amount to a total of almost 300,000 returned applications, as well as approximately $130 million in refunded government processing fees.
Approximately 160,000 FSW applications, submitted after 28 February 2008, will remain in queue for processing.
事情正在起变化政府态度已明确了
加拿大政府已通过预算案，要退回申请费用1300万，这意味着加拿大政府计划对于2008年2月26日以前的30万联邦技术移民申请人全部作废。
相关链接：
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n12/data/12-033_2-eng.asp
- Proposing to return applications and refund up to $130 million in fees paid by certain federal skilled worker applicants who applied under previous criteria established prior to February 27, 2008.
The Government of Canada announced on 29 March 2012 a plan to reduce the backlog of Federal Skilled Worker (FSW) applications by returning all applications and government fees submitted prior to 27 February 2008. This will amount to a total of almost 300,000 returned applications, as well as approximately $130 million in refunded government processing fees.
Approximately 160,000 FSW applications, submitted after 28 February 2008, will remain in queue for processing.
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
按照康尼的说法，简单总结：
1，资格评估目前仅是个proposal，至于何时实施尚未确定，但可能于今年年底与新政同步实施；
2，资格评估是pre-arrival，也就是在抵达加拿大前进行资格预评估，所以目前在递交申请前是否需要先行通过评估（Pre-application)，目前尚未明确。
3，是对于某些受行规限制（regulated occupation)的职业的从业资格（请注意，这是qualification assessment,而不是skills assessment)进行评估，还是对所有职业进行评估，目前也不明确。
4，如何进行职业评估？只能举例说明。2002年以前，所有工程师职业申请人，必须要在向CIC递交申请前，向CCPE（Canadian Council of Professional Engineers）进行资格评估。当时仅是对学历（Qualification）的评估，申请人需要有工程学士学位，并且毕业院校是某所经CCPE认可的院校。
所以在目前阶段对职业评估进行分析，“让此贴更加熠熠生辉”，是个很困难的事情，弄不好，会给人以口实，反而会tarnish此贴呢。
很多新人不知道职业评估为何物，是如何操作的。老师能否对其做一详细解说，让此贴更加熠熠生辉呢？
按照康尼的说法，简单总结：
1，资格评估目前仅是个proposal，至于何时实施尚未确定，但可能于今年年底与新政同步实施；
2，资格评估是pre-arrival，也就是在抵达加拿大前进行资格预评估，所以目前在递交申请前是否需要先行通过评估（Pre-application)，目前尚未明确。
3，是对于某些受行规限制（regulated occupation)的职业的从业资格（请注意，这是qualification assessment,而不是skills assessment)进行评估，还是对所有职业进行评估，目前也不明确。
4，如何进行职业评估？只能举例说明。2002年以前，所有工程师职业申请人，必须要在向CIC递交申请前，向CCPE（Canadian Council of Professional Engineers）进行资格评估。当时仅是对学历（Qualification）的评估，申请人需要有工程学士学位，并且毕业院校是某所经CCPE认可的院校。
所以在目前阶段对职业评估进行分析，“让此贴更加熠熠生辉”，是个很困难的事情，弄不好，会给人以口实，反而会tarnish此贴呢。
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
Response to #712
我完全赞同杏花春雨兄关于此点的看法。
所以现在可以说出我对本次香港请愿活动（预计4月30日。又及：诉诸点是什么，好像张罗本次示威的朋友们还没说出来个子午卯酉。）的一丝隐忧：如果法理上没有无懈可击的立场，如果没有法理上站得住脚的诉诸点，香港请愿活动将没有丝毫意义，而只可能会是情绪化的宣泄，民粹式的鼓噪，草民般的起哄，最后可能沦为一次不起眼的媒体事件而以，去得人也只是白跑一趟。如此而已。
去年7・12香港九勇士请愿活动时，Nine protesters gathered outside the Canadian consulate-general in Exchange Square yesterday, all claiming to have waited over five years for a reply on their immigration status. The protesters, mostly from Shenzhen, said the consulate should follow a first come, first served policy.
Jacobus Versteegh, immigration program manager at the consulate, said Hong Kong receives more applications than Beijing, and therefore could not work through the backlog as quickly. He denied that nothing was being done about the backlog. Of the 80,000 visas set to be issued worldwide this year, a quarter will be from backlogged cases before 2008, he said.
Though he empathized with the protesters, he said: "You can't lose what you didn't have. Just because an application has been received, it doesn't mean there's a guarantee."
可以预期，新的法例一定不会在4月30日前推出并生效。所以，4月30日请愿时，领事馆方面很有可能说：你们主张的（或抗议的）并不是事实。怎么办？
Response to #712
我完全赞同杏花春雨兄关于此点的看法。
所以现在可以说出我对本次香港请愿活动（预计4月30日。又及：诉诸点是什么，好像张罗本次示威的朋友们还没说出来个子午卯酉。）的一丝隐忧：如果法理上没有无懈可击的立场，如果没有法理上站得住脚的诉诸点，香港请愿活动将没有丝毫意义，而只可能会是情绪化的宣泄，民粹式的鼓噪，草民般的起哄，最后可能沦为一次不起眼的媒体事件而以，去得人也只是白跑一趟。如此而已。
去年7・12香港九勇士请愿活动时，Nine protesters gathered outside the Canadian consulate-general in Exchange Square yesterday, all claiming to have waited over five years for a reply on their immigration status. The protesters, mostly from Shenzhen, said the consulate should follow a first come, first served policy.
Jacobus Versteegh, immigration program manager at the consulate, said Hong Kong receives more applications than Beijing, and therefore could not work through the backlog as quickly. He denied that nothing was being done about the backlog. Of the 80,000 visas set to be issued worldwide this year, a quarter will be from backlogged cases before 2008, he said.
Though he empathized with the protesters, he said: "You can't lose what you didn't have. Just because an application has been received, it doesn't mean there's a guarantee."
可以预期，新的法例一定不会在4月30日前推出并生效。所以，4月30日请愿时，领事馆方面很有可能说：你们主张的（或抗议的）并不是事实。怎么办？
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
事情正在起变化：图穷匕现，28万积案全退
当地时间3月30日，加拿大移民部网站上正式发布消息，政府将对约28万尚未处理的227以前的旧案全部退案退费。
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2012/2012-03-30a.asp
Under proposed legislation, CIC will close the files of FSW applicants who applied before February 27, 2008, and for whom an immigration officer has not made a decision based on selection criteria by March 29, 2012. This is expected to affect around 280,000 applicants, including their dependants. CIC will begin the process of returning the full amount of fees paid to the Department by these affected FSW applicants. For those who have passed the selection criteria stage approximately 20,000 people CIC will continue processing their applications until they are approved for entry into Canada or not.
事情正在起变化：图穷匕现，28万积案全退
当地时间3月30日，加拿大移民部网站上正式发布消息，政府将对约28万尚未处理的227以前的旧案全部退案退费。
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2012/2012-03-30a.asp
Under proposed legislation, CIC will close the files of FSW applicants who applied before February 27, 2008, and for whom an immigration officer has not made a decision based on selection criteria by March 29, 2012. This is expected to affect around 280,000 applicants, including their dependants. CIC will begin the process of returning the full amount of fees paid to the Department by these affected FSW applicants. For those who have passed the selection criteria stage approximately 20,000 people CIC will continue processing their applications until they are approved for entry into Canada or not.
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
See also Notice ? Questions and answers: Changes that affect Federal Skilled Worker applications
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/notice-qa.asp
Q1. Why do you propose removing the FSW backlog?
Canada needs to select immigrants who are ready, willing and able to fully integrate into Canada’s labour market and fill gaps in our economy, particularly where we have existing skills shortages.
The large backlog of applications that has accumulated under the Federal Skilled Worker Program is impeding the responsiveness of Canada’s immigration system.
Canada risks losing the global talent competition for the world’s best and brightest as potential immigrants choose to take their skills to other countries with more responsive immigration systems rather than remain in the queue to have their application processed in Canada.
Economic Action Plan 2012 therefore proposes to return applications and refund fees paid by certain federal skilled worker applicants who applied under previous criteria established prior to February 27, 2008.
Removing the backlog of FSW applications will allow CIC to focus on bringing in skilled immigrants who apply under the current eligibility criteria and are more suited for shortages in Canada’s economy today.
Q2. Would I be affected if CIC removes the FSW backlog?
Under the proposed changes, CIC would close Federal Skilled Worker applicants’ files if they:
applied before February 27, 2008, and
have not had a decision made by an immigration officer based on selection criteria by March 29, 2012. (information on selection criteria is below)
We expect this would affect around 280,000 people including dependents.
If the proposed law is passed, CIC would begin to return the full amount of fees paid by affected FSW applicants.
Q3. Is there any reason I would not get my refund?
The proposed changes are intended to be retroactive to March 29, 2012. If an immigration officer had refused your application based on selection criteria before that date, you will not get a refund.
Q4. What does a "decision based on selection criteria" mean?
A "decision based on selection criteria" means that an immigration officer:
has assessed your FSW application against the points grid, and
has made a decision on whether or not you meet the selection criteria of the program.
Currently, the pass mark is 67 points out of a grid worth 100 points. The grid considers the person’s:
ability in English and/or French
education
work experience
age
whether they have a job already arranged in Canada (arranged employment), and
how well they might adapt to living in Canada (which awards points for things like previous work or study in Canada, spouse’s education and relatives in Canada).
If your application is successful, you would move to the next phase (i.e. admissibility). At that point you would be checked against health, security and criminality requirements before being allowed to enter Canada.
If you do not score at least 67 on the FSW points grid, your application would be refused and CIC would inform you of the decision.
Q5. How would I get my refund?
More details on the proposed change will be announced soon. Once the proposal is approved through Parliament, CIC will begin to return the fees.
Details will be available on the CIC website.
Q6. What options would I have if my application is removed from the backlog?
If your file is closed by CIC, you may re-apply under the current FSW criteria. If you have the skills Canada needs now, your application would likely be processed much faster ? new FSW applications are processed within 6-12 months.
See also Notice ? Questions and answers: Changes that affect Federal Skilled Worker applications
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/notice-qa.asp
Q1. Why do you propose removing the FSW backlog?
Canada needs to select immigrants who are ready, willing and able to fully integrate into Canada’s labour market and fill gaps in our economy, particularly where we have existing skills shortages.
The large backlog of applications that has accumulated under the Federal Skilled Worker Program is impeding the responsiveness of Canada’s immigration system.
Canada risks losing the global talent competition for the world’s best and brightest as potential immigrants choose to take their skills to other countries with more responsive immigration systems rather than remain in the queue to have their application processed in Canada.
Economic Action Plan 2012 therefore proposes to return applications and refund fees paid by certain federal skilled worker applicants who applied under previous criteria established prior to February 27, 2008.
Removing the backlog of FSW applications will allow CIC to focus on bringing in skilled immigrants who apply under the current eligibility criteria and are more suited for shortages in Canada’s economy today.
Q2. Would I be affected if CIC removes the FSW backlog?
Under the proposed changes, CIC would close Federal Skilled Worker applicants’ files if they:
applied before February 27, 2008, and
have not had a decision made by an immigration officer based on selection criteria by March 29, 2012. (information on selection criteria is below)
We expect this would affect around 280,000 people including dependents.
If the proposed law is passed, CIC would begin to return the full amount of fees paid by affected FSW applicants.
Q3. Is there any reason I would not get my refund?
The proposed changes are intended to be retroactive to March 29, 2012. If an immigration officer had refused your application based on selection criteria before that date, you will not get a refund.
Q4. What does a "decision based on selection criteria" mean?
A "decision based on selection criteria" means that an immigration officer:
has assessed your FSW application against the points grid, and
has made a decision on whether or not you meet the selection criteria of the program.
Currently, the pass mark is 67 points out of a grid worth 100 points. The grid considers the person’s:
ability in English and/or French
education
work experience
age
whether they have a job already arranged in Canada (arranged employment), and
how well they might adapt to living in Canada (which awards points for things like previous work or study in Canada, spouse’s education and relatives in Canada).
If your application is successful, you would move to the next phase (i.e. admissibility). At that point you would be checked against health, security and criminality requirements before being allowed to enter Canada.
If you do not score at least 67 on the FSW points grid, your application would be refused and CIC would inform you of the decision.
Q5. How would I get my refund?
More details on the proposed change will be announced soon. Once the proposal is approved through Parliament, CIC will begin to return the fees.
Details will be available on the CIC website.
Q6. What options would I have if my application is removed from the backlog?
If your file is closed by CIC, you may re-apply under the current FSW criteria. If you have the skills Canada needs now, your application would likely be processed much faster ? new FSW applications are processed within 6-12 months.
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
这也正是我所担心的，散步如此，起诉更是如此，目前还没有明确的诉讼标的，对于对方还没有进行的事情无法进行诉讼，而对方一旦行动，那基本是在成法之后。没有法律界人士另辟蹊径从其他角度进攻，很难。
这也正是我所担心的，散步如此，起诉更是如此，目前还没有明确的诉讼标的，对于对方还没有进行的事情无法进行诉讼，而对方一旦行动，那基本是在成法之后。没有法律界人士另辟蹊径从其他角度进攻，很难。
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
几天前开始关注此贴，一直花时间拜读，正在深感敬仰的时候，肥康就挥下了屠刀，把28万申请人都切了……
楼主之前苦心孤诣的分析都白费了……
只能说，要不惮以最坏的恶意来看待加拿大政府，因为他们不是开善堂的，他们之所以收移民是希望能为本国创造效益而不是带来包袱。当觉得包袱重了，他们翻脸比翻书还快。至于什么法律啊，依据啊什么的，真心觉得不重要。此计不成他们只会再生一计。看看这次大屠杀，事前布置严密，完全是有组织、有预谋的。魁省之所以变政，肯定也是联合沟通后的结果――先把魁省小门关了，以免被砍的人蜂拥去魁省申请。
几天前开始关注此贴，一直花时间拜读，正在深感敬仰的时候，肥康就挥下了屠刀，把28万申请人都切了……
楼主之前苦心孤诣的分析都白费了……
只能说，要不惮以最坏的恶意来看待加拿大政府，因为他们不是开善堂的，他们之所以收移民是希望能为本国创造效益而不是带来包袱。当觉得包袱重了，他们翻脸比翻书还快。至于什么法律啊，依据啊什么的，真心觉得不重要。此计不成他们只会再生一计。看看这次大屠杀，事前布置严密，完全是有组织、有预谋的。魁省之所以变政，肯定也是联合沟通后的结果――先把魁省小门关了，以免被砍的人蜂拥去魁省申请。
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