加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
- 主题发起人 杏花春雨
- 发布时间 2012-02-03
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请问老师，本科或者硕士可以学SPP吗？加国哪些学校有这个项目呢？谢谢！[/quote]
本科或者硕士也可申请SPP学校的一些课程，比如研究生证书课程。
目前有48所学院参与了移民部的SPP计划，名单：
http://www.canadainternational.gc.c...SPP_PPE_studying_etudier.aspx?lang=eng&view=d
请问老师，本科或者硕士可以学SPP吗？加国哪些学校有这个项目呢？谢谢！[/quote]
本科或者硕士也可申请SPP学校的一些课程，比如研究生证书课程。
目前有48所学院参与了移民部的SPP计划，名单：
http://www.canadainternational.gc.c...SPP_PPE_studying_etudier.aspx?lang=eng&view=d
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
本科或者硕士也可申请SPP学校的一些课程，比如研究生证书课程。
目前有48所学院参与了移民部的SPP计划，名单：
http://www.canadainternational.gc.c...SPP_PPE_studying_etudier.aspx?lang=eng&view=d[/QUOTE]
杏花版主 听说年龄大的 拒签率高 真的 吗‘
本科或者硕士也可申请SPP学校的一些课程，比如研究生证书课程。
目前有48所学院参与了移民部的SPP计划，名单：
http://www.canadainternational.gc.c...SPP_PPE_studying_etudier.aspx?lang=eng&view=d[/QUOTE]
杏花版主 听说年龄大的 拒签率高 真的 吗‘
回复: 加拿大技术移民规则，不改不行了
这个有道理，我觉得可能去美国的大多是先考了托福和GMAT，GRE过去的，这批人素质本来就高，在哪里读了几年书后，就很容易融入当地额社会了。而移民是没有任何过渡，语言要求也不高（A类G类IELTS我都考过，reading完全是大学生和中学生的差距），直接融入到社会里难度就相当的大了。
这个有道理，我觉得可能去美国的大多是先考了托福和GMAT，GRE过去的，这批人素质本来就高，在哪里读了几年书后，就很容易融入当地额社会了。而移民是没有任何过渡，语言要求也不高（A类G类IELTS我都考过，reading完全是大学生和中学生的差距），直接融入到社会里难度就相当的大了。
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You are entertaining me.
那是因为美加两国的经济结构不一样。
融入的人都是相似的，不能融入的人各有各的问题。
你就是你，你代表不了所有人。也不奇怪，看看你在另外一边的帖子，http://forum.canadameet.org/showthread.php?t=554647[url]， 你的阅读水平和无法融入就不难理解了。这么说不算挖苦你吧？
You are entertaining me.
那是因为美加两国的经济结构不一样。
融入的人都是相似的，不能融入的人各有各的问题。
你就是你，你代表不了所有人。也不奇怪，看看你在另外一边的帖子，http://forum.canadameet.org/showthread.php?t=554647[url]， 你的阅读水平和无法融入就不难理解了。这么说不算挖苦你吧？
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呵呵，春雨兄你说的的确没错，我有个学弟06级交大的，在四大做到M了，今年申请到了多大的MBA打算毕业后直接移民，多大福利很好啊，他申请到了10万加币的3年无息贷款，好爽啊！（他自己的钱就可以用来继续投资了），我觉得这样其实更好，他有了多大MBA和四大的背景，在加拿大以后更容易发展。
呵呵，春雨兄你说的的确没错，我有个学弟06级交大的，在四大做到M了，今年申请到了多大的MBA打算毕业后直接移民，多大福利很好啊，他申请到了10万加币的3年无息贷款，好爽啊！（他自己的钱就可以用来继续投资了），我觉得这样其实更好，他有了多大MBA和四大的背景，在加拿大以后更容易发展。
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The bait, you are snapping
The blot, you are making
The foot, you are staying
The shit, your are becoming
斗嘴也有不能踩得雷区。 “做走狗”，你正在犯众怒，你侮辱了所有的移友。
The bait, you are snapping
The blot, you are making
The foot, you are staying
The shit, your are becoming
斗嘴也有不能踩得雷区。 “做走狗”，你正在犯众怒，你侮辱了所有的移友。
最后编辑: 2012-04-05
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狗是百步王，
只在门前狼，
你既已出去，
却不当自强，
狗行千里远，
吃屎依旧昂，
阿爷丢你骨，
狗儿又猖狂！
兄自说自话，根本是骂人的外家功夫。anxioustogetmoving不介意作loser，兄还是想想怎么做个winner吧！
狗是百步王，
只在门前狼，
你既已出去，
却不当自强，
狗行千里远，
吃屎依旧昂，
阿爷丢你骨，
狗儿又猖狂！
兄自说自话，根本是骂人的外家功夫。anxioustogetmoving不介意作loser，兄还是想想怎么做个winner吧！
最后编辑: 2012-04-05
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参照#9楼 http://forum.canadameet.org/showthread.php?t=554187
anxioustogetmoving不想挑起嘴战是真心的；
anxioustogetmoving不愿意放弃把此帖中的乌合民粹彻底打熄火也是真心的；
anxioustogetmoving不想模糊杏花春雨兄帖子的焦点更真心的；
参照#9楼 http://forum.canadameet.org/showthread.php?t=554187
anxioustogetmoving不想挑起嘴战是真心的；
anxioustogetmoving不愿意放弃把此帖中的乌合民粹彻底打熄火也是真心的；
anxioustogetmoving不想模糊杏花春雨兄帖子的焦点更真心的；
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anxioustogetmoving 家园第一神秘人物，不得不佩服anxioustogetmoving妹妹的才气
anxioustogetmoving 家园第一神秘人物，不得不佩服anxioustogetmoving妹妹的才气
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康尼又讲话了，看他如何辩护
加拿大当地时间4月4日下午，康尼又在多伦多Brampton发表了题为“政府的移民立场：致力于创造就业、经济增长与繁荣”的讲话，为他此次作废28万积案开脱，将责任一古脑儿推给前政府。
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/speeches/2012/2012-04-05.asp
康尼又讲话了，看他如何辩护
加拿大当地时间4月4日下午，康尼又在多伦多Brampton发表了题为“政府的移民立场：致力于创造就业、经济增长与繁荣”的讲话，为他此次作废28万积案开脱，将责任一古脑儿推给前政府。
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/speeches/2012/2012-04-05.asp
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杏花老师 请问一下新政后是不是要求专业和职业一致才有机会通过专业资格认证啊 不一致就没希望了？
杏花老师 请问一下新政后是不是要求专业和职业一致才有机会通过专业资格认证啊 不一致就没希望了？
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早上打开电脑，先来一大篇儿阅读理解。康尼讲话了无新意，老调重弹而已。
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When our government came to office, I quite honestly think we didn’t fully understand the depth of the problem of backlogs in our system. We found out that there were 840,000 people waiting in our immigration system for an answer on their application. Why did that happen? Very simply because for years, the previous government, I’m not trying to be partisan about this, this is objectively true and a policy mistake was made, I’m sure in good faith. I don’t think they made this mistake in malice or deliberately but they didn’t correct it. And the mistake was simply this: they created a system that ignored the fact that, around the world, there’s an infinite number of people who want to come to Canada obviously.
.......
And this means that new applicants in our new system who have a job lined up will go to the front of the queue and will be admitted to Canada within just a few months of their application, helping to guarantee their success. So I’ve spent a lot of time explaining that, because the stuff is complex and it’s easily misunderstood. ‘Why is the government sending all those applications back? That’s not fair. What about those people, they’ve been waiting their chance, their turn; they’ve been waiting their time in, in the queue?’ And I understand that.
But frankly, you know, let me be honest. We didn’t create that problem, but we have to solve it because just to keep the problem festering was not a solution. Telling those people they were going to still have to wait eight years was not a solution. （这根本是胡说八道，赤裸裸的恐吓！）Waiting until the end of this decade until we could get to a fast system that gets better results was not really, in my view, an option. And so we are inviting all of those folks again, if they would like, to reapply.
Now we’ll be doing a number of other things this year that will get to this vision of a faster, more flexible system with much better employment and incomes for newcomers. We, this summer we will be pre-publishing regulations for a new points grid for the skilled worker program based on all the data research and consultations that we have done, which indicate that younger economic immigrants tend to do better over their lifetime. I guess they come, they’re more flexible, they pick things up more quickly and they’ve got more years frankly to work and pay taxes, which is a good thing.
Secondly, for those who want to come into regulated licensed professions, we’re going to say that they have to have a solid minimum level of proficiency in one of our two official languages. Because, you know, one of the problems with credential recognition is even when we do have foreign trained professionals who get their licenses, if their language skills aren’t up to the Canadian standard, then they just don’t find employment. So we’re not doing them any favours by bringing them in to face underemployment and that’s why, for licensed professions, we’re going to require a reasonably high language benchmark.
But we’re also going to create more flexibility in the system by creating a skilled trades stream. For too long, it’s been almost impossible for the hardworking skilled tradespeople, whose skills are much in demand in Canada, to get through our skilled worker program because they didn’t have university degrees. And so we’ll be creating a new pathway for those folks and if you’re employers who need and employ skilled tradespeople, this is good news for you. And also, and most excitingly, we will be creating a system of pre-assessment of the education, and eventually of the professional qualifications, of applications for immigration to Canada.
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未来，就FSW而言，有机会的只有两类人：低技能的工人（语言能力可以不太高），高端的专业人士（更强语言能力）。
早上打开电脑，先来一大篇儿阅读理解。康尼讲话了无新意，老调重弹而已。
.......
When our government came to office, I quite honestly think we didn’t fully understand the depth of the problem of backlogs in our system. We found out that there were 840,000 people waiting in our immigration system for an answer on their application. Why did that happen? Very simply because for years, the previous government, I’m not trying to be partisan about this, this is objectively true and a policy mistake was made, I’m sure in good faith. I don’t think they made this mistake in malice or deliberately but they didn’t correct it. And the mistake was simply this: they created a system that ignored the fact that, around the world, there’s an infinite number of people who want to come to Canada obviously.
.......
And this means that new applicants in our new system who have a job lined up will go to the front of the queue and will be admitted to Canada within just a few months of their application, helping to guarantee their success. So I’ve spent a lot of time explaining that, because the stuff is complex and it’s easily misunderstood. ‘Why is the government sending all those applications back? That’s not fair. What about those people, they’ve been waiting their chance, their turn; they’ve been waiting their time in, in the queue?’ And I understand that.
But frankly, you know, let me be honest. We didn’t create that problem, but we have to solve it because just to keep the problem festering was not a solution. Telling those people they were going to still have to wait eight years was not a solution. （这根本是胡说八道，赤裸裸的恐吓！）Waiting until the end of this decade until we could get to a fast system that gets better results was not really, in my view, an option. And so we are inviting all of those folks again, if they would like, to reapply.
Now we’ll be doing a number of other things this year that will get to this vision of a faster, more flexible system with much better employment and incomes for newcomers. We, this summer we will be pre-publishing regulations for a new points grid for the skilled worker program based on all the data research and consultations that we have done, which indicate that younger economic immigrants tend to do better over their lifetime. I guess they come, they’re more flexible, they pick things up more quickly and they’ve got more years frankly to work and pay taxes, which is a good thing.
Secondly, for those who want to come into regulated licensed professions, we’re going to say that they have to have a solid minimum level of proficiency in one of our two official languages. Because, you know, one of the problems with credential recognition is even when we do have foreign trained professionals who get their licenses, if their language skills aren’t up to the Canadian standard, then they just don’t find employment. So we’re not doing them any favours by bringing them in to face underemployment and that’s why, for licensed professions, we’re going to require a reasonably high language benchmark.
But we’re also going to create more flexibility in the system by creating a skilled trades stream. For too long, it’s been almost impossible for the hardworking skilled tradespeople, whose skills are much in demand in Canada, to get through our skilled worker program because they didn’t have university degrees. And so we’ll be creating a new pathway for those folks and if you’re employers who need and employ skilled tradespeople, this is good news for you. And also, and most excitingly, we will be creating a system of pre-assessment of the education, and eventually of the professional qualifications, of applications for immigration to Canada.
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未来，就FSW而言，有机会的只有两类人：低技能的工人（语言能力可以不太高），高端的专业人士（更强语言能力）。
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现在对资格评估只是个提法，信息非常有限，所以对资格认证是否考虑工作经验还无法确定。
加拿大移民史上只有过对工程师职业进行移民前的认证，认证机构是CCPE，当时只认证学历，不认证工作经验。
澳洲一直以来有资格评估，加拿大正在亦步亦趋学习澳洲经验。澳洲的职业评估是相关评估机构自行制定标准，包括学历要求，工作经验及英语要求。几个重要的评估机构的评估标准简述如下，仅供参考。
IT类评估机构ACS，IT专业学士学位+至少四年IT经验或IT副修+5年IT经验或其它学士学位+6年工作经验（Recognition of prior learning, RPL)
工程师类评估机构是Engineers Australia,要求工程学士+雅思“四个六”+工作经验（无明确年限要求）
建筑师评估机构AACA，要求建筑学学士，无雅思及工作经验要求
会计/审计师CPA/ICAA/IPA,会计学学士+雅思“四个七”，无工作经验要求
技工类评估机构TRA，相关资格+三年工作经验，无雅思要求
医生类评估机构Medical Board of Australia, 申请标准通道(standard pathway)的要求是持有由《国际医学院索引》（ International Medical Education Directory (IMED)）所列的某所医学颁布发的院学位（中国有174所医学院榜上有名），先通过医学考试，再通过临床考试，再申请EICS认证，英语要求雅思“四个七”或OET考试A或B级。
其它非行规限制的职业评估机构VETASSESS，学士学位，无雅思、工作经验要求。
现在对资格评估只是个提法，信息非常有限，所以对资格认证是否考虑工作经验还无法确定。
加拿大移民史上只有过对工程师职业进行移民前的认证，认证机构是CCPE，当时只认证学历，不认证工作经验。
澳洲一直以来有资格评估，加拿大正在亦步亦趋学习澳洲经验。澳洲的职业评估是相关评估机构自行制定标准，包括学历要求，工作经验及英语要求。几个重要的评估机构的评估标准简述如下，仅供参考。
IT类评估机构ACS，IT专业学士学位+至少四年IT经验或IT副修+5年IT经验或其它学士学位+6年工作经验（Recognition of prior learning, RPL)
工程师类评估机构是Engineers Australia,要求工程学士+雅思“四个六”+工作经验（无明确年限要求）
建筑师评估机构AACA，要求建筑学学士，无雅思及工作经验要求
会计/审计师CPA/ICAA/IPA,会计学学士+雅思“四个七”，无工作经验要求
技工类评估机构TRA，相关资格+三年工作经验，无雅思要求
医生类评估机构Medical Board of Australia, 申请标准通道(standard pathway)的要求是持有由《国际医学院索引》（ International Medical Education Directory (IMED)）所列的某所医学颁布发的院学位（中国有174所医学院榜上有名），先通过医学考试，再通过临床考试，再申请EICS认证，英语要求雅思“四个七”或OET考试A或B级。
其它非行规限制的职业评估机构VETASSESS，学士学位，无雅思、工作经验要求。
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康尼把责任一古脑推给前政府。
问题是：前政府2008年下台，康尼也是当年上台，他用了将近四年的时间来“理解”积案问题，现在才想起来要作废，他的脑子反应也太迟钝了。
即使是前政府的错误，就能成为新政府全盘否定的依据吗？那是不是前任政府所欠的外债，新政府也可以不承认吗？
他口口声声所赞美的Action Plan for Faster Immigration,却恰恰是在前政府时期，在他的前任范茵莉下台之前就已经确定了的，康尼却据为已有，这是在贪天之功。
其实，造成积案的根本原因是《移民与难民保护法》，而康尼却避而不谈，这是为什么？
康尼说这话时，特意说明自己并无党派之争，但他的议论就是典型的党派论。
When our government came to office, I quite honestly think we didn’t fully understand the depth of the problem of backlogs in our system. We found out that there were 840,000 people waiting in our immigration system for an answer on their application. Why did that happen? Very simply because for years, the previous government, I’m not trying to be partisan about this, this is objectively true and a policy mistake was made, I’m sure in good faith. I don’t think they made this mistake in malice or deliberately but they didn’t correct it. And the mistake was simply this: they created a system that ignored the fact that, around the world, there’s an infinite number of people who want to come to Canada obviously.
康尼把责任一古脑推给前政府。
问题是：前政府2008年下台，康尼也是当年上台，他用了将近四年的时间来“理解”积案问题，现在才想起来要作废，他的脑子反应也太迟钝了。
即使是前政府的错误，就能成为新政府全盘否定的依据吗？那是不是前任政府所欠的外债，新政府也可以不承认吗？
他口口声声所赞美的Action Plan for Faster Immigration,却恰恰是在前政府时期，在他的前任范茵莉下台之前就已经确定了的，康尼却据为已有，这是在贪天之功。
其实，造成积案的根本原因是《移民与难民保护法》，而康尼却避而不谈，这是为什么？
康尼说这话时，特意说明自己并无党派之争，但他的议论就是典型的党派论。
When our government came to office, I quite honestly think we didn’t fully understand the depth of the problem of backlogs in our system. We found out that there were 840,000 people waiting in our immigration system for an answer on their application. Why did that happen? Very simply because for years, the previous government, I’m not trying to be partisan about this, this is objectively true and a policy mistake was made, I’m sure in good faith. I don’t think they made this mistake in malice or deliberately but they didn’t correct it. And the mistake was simply this: they created a system that ignored the fact that, around the world, there’s an infinite number of people who want to come to Canada obviously.
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这是康尼给出的28万退案的理由：
The bad news is that there’s still a huge backlog left and in fact, 460,000 waiting in that program. Now friends, we could do one of two things. We could continue to keep those people waiting, meaning our system is grindingly slow, taking us eight years to get people an answer, meaning that it would take years, almost the end of this decade before we could finally get to that fast just in time system that we need so that we can link people up with jobs or we could make a tough decision, which is what we were elected to do, was to make tough decisions in the best interests of the Canadian economy.
And so the tough decision we made was to take decisive action to reduce that backlog so that within a year or two, we will have that just in time immigration system. That’s why we announced in the budget that we’re bringing forward legislation to authorize us to return applications representing some 280,000 people in the skilled worker backlog. We are returning the application fees that people sent to us and we are inviting them to reapply, if they still want to come to Canada, under our new and more flexible immigration programs. By doing this, by 2014, 18 months from now, Canada will finally have a just in time immigration system where we will be able to process applications that we get within a matter of months and bring new applicants to Canada on a, on a just in time basis.
这是康尼给出的28万退案的理由：
The bad news is that there’s still a huge backlog left and in fact, 460,000 waiting in that program. Now friends, we could do one of two things. We could continue to keep those people waiting, meaning our system is grindingly slow, taking us eight years to get people an answer, meaning that it would take years, almost the end of this decade before we could finally get to that fast just in time system that we need so that we can link people up with jobs or we could make a tough decision, which is what we were elected to do, was to make tough decisions in the best interests of the Canadian economy.
And so the tough decision we made was to take decisive action to reduce that backlog so that within a year or two, we will have that just in time immigration system. That’s why we announced in the budget that we’re bringing forward legislation to authorize us to return applications representing some 280,000 people in the skilled worker backlog. We are returning the application fees that people sent to us and we are inviting them to reapply, if they still want to come to Canada, under our new and more flexible immigration programs. By doing this, by 2014, 18 months from now, Canada will finally have a just in time immigration system where we will be able to process applications that we get within a matter of months and bring new applicants to Canada on a, on a just in time basis.
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