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没有连任的意思,是让他 end with shame

流传最广的是对方4分钟剪辑版,一个小时会话很长,我贴一下吧,
看全部会话,你就知道那些断章取义的说法是很可笑的了。。。
双方律师都在场,川普这边3个律师,州国务卿那边2个律师

看完以后,一个感觉,川普苦口婆心给对方留修正的机会。。。

-有别的途径,暂时不想用,不想把事情搞大
- 我们有New tape
-不断地提,那个作弊女的,在哪里?(难道在川普手里)
- 现在都不需要拿出多猫腻证据,因为随便纠正一个错误就可以fix
-现在有24,149我们认为是非法的,这个已经足以改变结果
-那么多犯罪行为,你知道并允许发生。。。
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(CNN)CNN has obtained the full January 2 audio call between President Donald Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Trump is joined on the call by White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and several lawyers.

CNN obtained the audio from a source who was on the call and had direct knowledge of the conversation. CNN has redacted the name of one individual about whom Trump made unsubstantiated claims.

Here is the full transcript of the hour-long call.


Meadows: Ok. Alright. Mr. President, everyone is on the line. This is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff. Just so we all are aware. On the line is secretary of state, and two other individuals. Jordan and Mr. Germany with him. You also have the attorneys that represent the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell — who is not the attorney of record but has been involved — myself and then the president. So Mr. President, I'll turn it over to you.

Trump: OK, thank you very much. Hello Brad and Ryan and everybody. We appreciate the time and the call. So we've spent a lot of time on this and if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. We'd be getting 25-30,000 people a rally and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.

But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 — anywhere from 250-300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn't been checked. We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged. And we are quite sure that's going to happen.

Another tremendous number. We're going to have an accurate number over the next two days with certified accountants. But an accurate number but its in the 50s of thousands— and that's people that went to vote and they were told they can't vote because they've already been voted for. And it's a very sad thing. They walked out complaining. But the number's large. We'll have it for you. But it's much more than the number of 11,779 that's — The current margin is only 11,779. Brad, I think you agree with that, right? That's something I think everyone — at least that's' a number that everyone agrees on.

But that's the difference in the votes. But we've had hundreds of thousands of ballots that we're able to actually — we'll get you a pretty accurate number. You don't need much of a number because the number that in theory I lost by, the margin would be 11,779. But you also have a substantial numbers of people, thousands and thousands who went to the voting place on November 3, were told they couldn't vote, were told they couldn't vote because a ballot had been put on their name. And you know that's very, very, very, very sad.

We had, I believe it's about 4,502 voters who voted but who weren't on the voter registration list, so it's 4,502 who voted but they weren't on the voter registration roll which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters. The address was vacant and they're not allowed to be counted. That's 18,325.

Smaller number — you had 904 who only voted where they had just a P.O. — a post office box number — and they had a post office box number and that's not allowed. We had at least 18,000 — that's on tape we had them counted very painstakingly — 18,000 voters having to do with [name]. She's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler [name]. That was the tape that's been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad, you me and everybody else.

Where they got — number one they said very clearly and it's been reported they said there was a major water main break. Everybody fled the area. And then they came back, [name] and her daughter and a few people. There were no Republican poll watchers. Actually, there were no Democrat poll watchers, I guess they were them. But there were no Democrats, either and there was no law enforcement. Late in the morning, they went early in the morning they went to the table with the black robe, the black shield and they pulled out the votes. Those votes were put there a number of hours before the table was put there. I think it was, Brad you would know, it was probably eight hours or seven hours before and then it was stuffed with votes.

They weren't in an official voter box, but they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases but they weren't in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we watched it and they watched it certified in slow motion instant replay if you can believe it but slow motion and it was magnified many times over and the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.

You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant, they were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses. They had nothing on them about addresses, that's 2,326.

And you had drop boxes, which is very bad. You had drop boxes that were picked up. We have photographs and we have affidavits from many people.

I don't know if you saw the hearings, but you have drop boxes where the box was picked up but not delivered for three days. So all sorts of things could have happened to that box including, you know, putting in the votes that you wanted. So there were many infractions and the bottom line is, many, many times the 11,779 margin that they said we lost by — we had vast I mean the state is in turmoil over this.

And I know you would like to get to the bottom of it, although I saw you on television today and you said that you found nothing wrong. I mean, you know, And I didn't lose the state, Brad. People have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way. A lot of the political people said that there's no way they beat me. And they beat me. They beat me in the ... As you know, every single state ... we won every state. we one every statehouse in the country. We held the Senate which is shocking to people, although we'll see what happens tomorrow or in a few days.

And we won the House, but we won every single statehouse and we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats, and they gained, I think 16 or 17 or something. I think there's a now difference of five. There was supposed to be a difference substantially more. But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits or are going to that, that there was no way that they beat me in the election that the people came out, in fact, they were expecting to lose and then they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails. And they said there's no way that they've done many polls prior to the election. There was no way that they won.

Ballots were dropped in massive numbers. And we're trying to get to those numbers and we will have them.

They'll take a period of time. Certified. But but they're massive numbers. And far greater than the 11,779.

The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted and I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.

The bottom line is when you add it all up and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake ballots. Then the other thing they said is in Fulton County and other areas. And this may or may not ... because this just came up this morning that they are burning their ballots, that they are shredding, shredding ballots and removing equipment. They're changing the equipment on the Dominion machines and, you know, that's not legal.

And they supposedly shredded I think they said 300 pounds of, 3,000 pounds of ballots. And that just came to us as a report today. And it is a very sad situation.

But Brad, if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779 and many of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified but they are certified. And those are numbers that are there that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I mean by a lot and people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where there's turmoil.

I mean there's turmoil in Georgia and other places. You're not the only one I mean we have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly. And this is something that — You know, as an example, I think it in Detroit, I think there's a section a good section of your state actually, which we're not sure so we're not going to report it yet. But in Detroit, we had, I think it was, 139% of the people voted. That's not too good.

In Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes than they had people voting. And uh that doesn't play too well, and the legislature there is, which is Republican, is extremely activist and angry. I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that. But, uh, they had as an example, in Michigan, a tremendous number of dead people that voted. I think it was I think, Mark, it was 18,000. Some unbelievably high number, much higher than yours, you were in the 4-5,000 category.

And that was checked out laboriously by going through, by going through the obituary columns in the newspapers.

So I guess with all of it being said, Brad, the bottom line and provisional ballots, again, you know, you'll have to tell me about the provisional ballots, but we have a lot of people that were complaining that they weren't able to vote because they were already voted for. These are great people.

And, you know, they were shellshocked. I don't know if you call that provisional ballots. In some states we had a lot of provisional ballot situations where people were given a provisional ballot because when they walked in on November 3 and they were already voted for.

So that's it. I mean, we have many many times the number of votes necessary to win the state. And we won the state and we won it very substantially and easily and we're getting, we have, much of this is a very, you know they're certified, far more certified than we need. But we're getting additional numbers certified, too. And we're getting pictures of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late. Delivered three days later, in some cases, plus we have many affidavits to that effect.

Meadows: So Mr. President, if I might be able to jump in and I'll give Brad a chance. Mr. Secretary, obviously there is, there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was counted and that's at odds with the representation from the secretary of state's office.

What I'm hopeful for is there some way that we can we can find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully. You know the president mentioned Fulton County.

But in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of where the facts seem to lead, and so Mr. Secretary, I was hopeful that, you know, in the spirit of cooperation and compromise is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that's less litigious?

Raffensperger: Well, I listened to what the President has just said. President Trump, we've had several lawsuits and we've had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions. Um, we don't agree that you have won. And we don't — I didn't agree about the 200,000 number that you'd mentioned. And I can go through that point by point.

What we have done is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election. Going back, primarily what you've talked about here focused in on primarily, I believe, is the absentee ballot process. I don't believe that you're really questioning the Dominion machines. Because we did a hand retally, a 100% retally of all the ballots and compared them to what the machines said and came up with virtually the same result. Then we did the recount, and we got virtually the same result. So I guess we can probably take that off the table.

I don't think there's an issue about that. What you--

Trump: Well, Brad. Not that there's not an issue, because we have a big issue with Dominion in other states and perhaps in yours. But we haven't felt we needed to go there. And just to, you know, maybe put a little different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows, uh, yeah we'd like to go further, but we don't really need to. We have all the votes we need.

You know, we won the state. If you took, these are the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you, those are numbers that are certified, your absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses, your out of state voters 4,925. You know when you add them up, it's many more times, it's many times the 11,779 number. So we could go through, we have not gone through your Dominion. So we can't give them blessing. I mean, in other states, we think we found tremendous corruption with Dominion machines but we'll have to see.

But we only lost the state by that number, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being said, with just what we have, with just what we have we're giving you minimal, minimal numbers. We're doing the most conservative numbers possible, we're many times, many, many times above the margin. And so we don't really have to, Mark, I don't think we have to go through ...

Meadows: Right

Trump: Because, what's the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes. I think I probably did win it by half a million. You know, one of the things that happened Brad, is we have other people coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from other states, and they're saying it's impossible for you to have lost Georgia. We won. You know in Alabama, we set a record, got the highest vote ever. In Georgia, we set a record with a massive amount of votes. And they say it's not possible to have lost Georgia.

And I could tell you by our rallies. I could tell you by the rally I'm having on Monday night, the place, they already have lines of people standing out front waiting. It's just not possible to have lost Georgia. It's not possible. When I heard it was close I said there's no way. But they dropped a lot of votes in there late at night. You know that, Brad. And that's what we are working on very, very stringently. But regardless of those votes, with all of it being said, we lost by essentially 11,000 votes and we have many more votes already calculated and certified, too.

And so I just don't know, you know, Mark, I don't know what's the purpose. I won't give Dominion a pass because we found too many bad things. But we don't need Dominion or anything else. We have won this election in Georgia based on all of this. And there's nothing wrong with saying that, Brad. You know I mean, having the correct — the people of Georgia are angry. And these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night. Along with others that we're going to have by that time which are much more substantial even. And the people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry. And there's nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you've recalculated. Because the 2,236 in absentee ballots. I mean, they're all exact numbers that were done by accounting firms law firms, etc. and even if you cut 'em in half, cut 'em in half and cut 'em in half, again, it's more votes than we need.

Raffensperger: Well Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised.

But they — I guess there was a person Mr. Braynard who came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people, I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. So that's wrong. There were two.

Trump: Well Cleta, how do you respond to that? Maybe you tell me?

Mitchell: Well, I would say Mr. Secretary, one of the things that we have requested and what we said was, if you look, if you read our petition, it said that we took the names and birth years and we had certain information available to us. We have asked from your office for records that only you have and so we said there is a universe of people who have the same name and same birth year and died.

But we don't have the records that you have. And one of the things that we have been suggesting formally and informally for weeks now is for you to make available to us the records that would be necessary —

Trump: But Cleta, even before you do that, and not even including that, that's why hardly even included that number, although in one state we have a tremendous amount of dead people. So I don't know — I'm sure we do in Georgia, too. I'm sure we do in Georgia too.

But, um, we're so far ahead. We're so far ahead of these numbers, even the phony ballots of [name], known scammer. You know the Internet? You know what was trending on the Internet? "Where's [name]?" Because they thought she'd be in jail. "Where's [name]?" It's crazy, it's crazy. That was. The minimum number is 18,000 for [name], but they think it's probably about 56,000, but the minimum number is 18,000 on the [name] night where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the ballot boxes. Let's face it, Brad, I mean. They did it in slow motion replay magnified, right? She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like nobody had ever seen them stuffed before.

So there's a term for it when it's a machine instead of a ballot box, but she stuffed the machine. She stuffed the ballot — each ballot went three times they were showing: Here's ballot No 1. Here it is second time, third time, next ballot.

I mean, look. Brad. We have a new tape that we're going to release. It's devastating. And by the way, that one event, that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes that we're talking about. It's uh, you know. That one event was a disaster. And it's just, you know, but it was, it was something, it can't be disputed. And again we have a version that you haven't seen but it's magnified. It's magnified and you can see everything. For some reason they put it in three times, each ballot, and I don't know why. I don't know why three times. Why not five times, right? Go ahead.

Raffensperger: You're talking about the State Farm video. And I think it's extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. The next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and what you'll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was projected by, you know —

Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers there. There were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there.

It was late in the evening, late in the, early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the room. Where were the poll watchers and why did they say a water main broke, which they did and which was reported in the newspapers? They said they left. They ran out because of a water main break, and there was no water main. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water main break. But we're, if you take out everything, where were the Republican poll watchers, even where were the Democrat poll watchers, because there were none.

And then you say, well, they left their station, you know, if you look at the tape, and this was, this was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people, when they left in a rush, everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These people left their station.

When they came back, they didn't go to their station. They went to the apron, wrapped around the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an official or a sealed box. And then they took those. They went back to a different station. So if they would have come back, they would have walked to their station and they would have continued to work. But they couldn't do even that because that's illegal, because they had no Republican poll watchers. And remember, her reputation is deva — she's known all over the Internet, Brad. She's known all over.

I'm telling you, "Where's [name]" was one of the hot items ...[name] They knew her. "Where's [name]?" So Brad, there can be no justification for that. And I you know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. But that was — and Brad, why did they put the votes in three times? You know, they put 'em in three times.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, they did not put that. We did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.

Trump: Where was everybody else at that late time in the morning? Where was everybody? Where were the Republicans? Where were the security guards? Where were the people that were there just a little while before when everyone ran out of the room. How come we had no security in the room? Why did they run to the bottom of the table? Why do they run there and just open the skirt and rip out the votes? I mean, Brad. And they were sitting there, I think for five hours or something like that, the votes. But they just all happened to run back and go, you know, Brad...

Raffensperger: Mr. President, we'll send you the link from WSB.

Trump: I don't care about the link. I don't need it. Brad, I have a much better link —

Mitchell: I will tell you. I've seen the tape. The full tape. So has Alex. We've watched it. And what we saw and what we've confirmed in the timing is that. They made everybody leave, we have sworn affidavits saying that. And then they began to process ballots. And our estimate is that there were roughly 18,000 ballots. We don't know that. If you know that ...

Trump: It was 18,000 ballots but they used each one three times.

Mitchell: Well, I don't know about that.

Trump: I do think because we had ours magnified out. Each one magnified out is 18 times three

Mitchell: I've watched the entire tape.

Trump: Nobody can make a case for that, Brad. Nobody. I mean, look, you'd have to be a child to think anything other than that. Just a child. I mean you have your never Trumper...

Mitchell: How many ballots, Mr. Secretary, are you saying were processed then?

Raffensperger: We had GBI ... investigate that.

Germany: We had our — this is Ryan Germany. We had our law enforcement officers talk to everyone who was who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them as well as FBI agents.

Trump: Well, there's no way they could — then they're incompetent. They're either dishonest or incompetent, okay?

Mitchell: Well, what did they find?

Trump: There's only two answers, dishonesty or incompetence. There's just no way. Look. There's no way. And on the other thing, I said too, there is no way. I mean, there's no way that these things could have been you know, you have all these different people that voted but they don't live in Georgia anymore. What was that number, Cleta? That was a pretty good number too.

Mitchell: The number who have registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And so they had a date when they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state. And then it's like 4,500, I don't have that number right in front of me.

Trump: And then they came back in and they voted.

Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.

Trump: I thought that was a large number, though. It was in the 20s. The point is...

Germany: We've been going through each of those as well and those numbers that we got that Ms. Mitchell was just saying, they're not accurate. Every one we've been through, are people that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. And in many cases

Trump: How many people do that? They moved out and then they said, "Ah, to hell with it I'll move back." You know, it doesn't sound like a very normal ... you mean, they moved out, and what, they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? It's crazy.

Germany: This is they moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the election. So there's something about that data that, it's just not accurate.

Trump: Well, I don't know, all I know is that it is certified. And they moved out of Georgia and they voted. It didn't say they moved back in Cleta, did it?

Mitchell: No, but I mean, we're looking at the voter registration. Again, if you have additional records, we've been asking for that, but you haven't shared any of that with us. You just keep saying you investigated the allegations.

Trump: But, Cleta, a lot of it you don't need to be shared. I mean, to be honest, they should share it. They should share it because you want to get to an honest election.
I won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes. There's no way I lost Georgia. There's no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. I'm just going by small numbers when you add them up they're many times the 11,000. But I won that state by hundreds of thousands of votes.

Do you think it's possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because that's what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery.

Do you know anything about that? Because that's illegal, right?

Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.

Trump: But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?

Germany: No.

Trump: Are you sure, Ryan?

Germany: I'm sure. I'm sure, Mr. President.

Trump: What about, what about the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?

Germany: The only investigation that we have into that — they have not been shredding any ballots. There was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal office shredding, getting rid of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this is stuff from, you know, from you know past elections.

Trump: I don't know. It doesn't pass the smell test because we hear they're shredding thousands and thousands of ballots and now what they're saying, "Oh, we're just cleaning up the office." So I don't think they're cleaning.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they — people can say anything.

Trump: Oh this isn't social media. This is Trump media. It's not social media. It's really not it's not social media. I don't care about social media. I couldn't care less. Social media is Big Tech. Big Tech is on your side. I don't even know why you have a side, because you should want to have an accurate election. And you're a Republican.

Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.

Trump: No, no you don't. No, no you don't. You don't have. Not even close. You're off by hundreds of thousands of votes. And just on the small numbers, you're off on these numbers and these numbers can't be just — well, why wont? — Okay. So you sent us into Cobb County for signature verification, right? You sent us into Cobb County, which we didn't want to go into. And you said it would be open to the public. And we could have our - So we had our experts there they weren't allowed into the room. But we didn't want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County. And you wouldn't give it to us. Now, why aren't we doing signature — and why can't it be open to the public?

And why can't we have professionals do it instead of rank amateurs who will never find anything and don't want to find anything? They don't want to find, you know, they don't want to find anything. Someday you'll tell me the reason why, because I don't understand your reasoning, but someday you'll tell me the reason why. But why don't you want to find?

Germany: Mr. President, we chose Cobb County —

Trump: Why don't you want to find ... What?

Germany: Sorry, go ahead.

Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We didn't even request — we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go ahead, please. Go ahead.

Germany: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where there's been any evidence submitted that the signature verification was not properly done.

Trump: No, but I told you. We're not, we're not saying that.

Mitchell: We did say that.

Trump: Fulton County. Look. Stacey, in my opinion, Stacey is as dishonest as they come. She has outplayed you ... at everything. She got you to sign a totally unconstitutional agreement, which is a disastrous agreement. You can't check signatures. I can't imagine you're allowed to do harvesting, I guess, in that agreement. That agreement is a disaster for this country. But she got you somehow to sign that thing and she has outsmarted you at every step.

And I hate to imagine what's going to happen on Monday or Tuesday, but it's very scary to people. You know, where the ballots flow in out of nowhere. It's very scary to people. That consent decree is a disaster. It's a disaster. A very good lawyer who examined it said they've never seen anything like it.

Raffensperger: Harvesting is still illegal in the state of Georgia. And that settlement agreement did not change that one iota.

Trump: It's not a settlement agreement, it's a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, doesn't it? It uses the term consent decree. It doesn't say settlement agree. It's a consent decree. It's a disaster.

Raffensperger: It's a settlement agreement.

Trump: What's written on top of it?

Raffensperger: Ryan?

Germany: I don't have it in front of me, but it was not entered by the court, it's not a court order.

Trump: But Ryan, it's called a consent decree, is that right? On the paper. Is that right?

Germany: I don't. I don't. I don't believe so, but I don't have it in front of me.

Trump: OK, whatever, it's a disaster. It's a disaster. Look. Here's the problem. We can go through signature verification and we'll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn't do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever. Recently. And compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you'll find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren't even signed and you have many that are forgeries.

OK, you know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at 11,779 within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt.
And they're going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they're laughing at you and you've taken a state that's a Republican state, and you've made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody's ever cheated before. And I don't care how long it takes me, you know, we're going to have other states coming forward — pretty good.

But I won't ... this is never ... this is ... We have some incredible talent said they've never seen anything ... Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers. But they're very substantial numbers. But I think you're going to find that they — by the way, a little information, I think you're going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they're brand new and they don't have a seal and there's the whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt.

And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I've heard. And they are removing machinery and they're moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can't let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, cause you know, this is — it's a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I don't know. A lot of people think it wasn't a mistake. It was much more criminal than that. But it's a big problem in Georgia and it's not a problem that's going away. I mean, you know, it's not a problem that's going away.

Germany: Mr President, this is Ryan. We're looking into every one of those things that you mentioned.

Trump: Good. But if you find it you've got to say it, Ryan.

Germany: ... Let me tell you what we are seeing. What we're seeing is not at all what you're describing, these are investigators from our office, these are investigators from
GBI, and they're looking and they're good. And that's not what they're seeing. And we'll keep looking, at all these things.

Trump: Well, you better check the ballots because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. I'm just telling you, Ryan. They're shredding ballots. And you should look at that very carefully. Because that's so illegal. You know, you may not even believe it because it's so bad. But they're shredding ballots because they think we're going to eventually get ... because we'll eventually get into Fulton. In my opinion it's never too late. ... So, that's the story. Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have are far more than that as it stands now. We'll have more and more. And. Do you have provisional ballots at all, Brad? Provisional ballots?

Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state law.

Trump: Sure, but I mean, are they counted or did you just hold them back because they, you know, in other words, how many provisional ballots do you have in the state?

Raffensperger: We'll get you that number.

Trump: Because most of them are made out to the name Trump. Because these are people that were scammed when they came in. And we have thousands of people that have testified or that want to testify when they came in they were probably going to vote on November 3. And they were told I'm sorry, you've already been voted for, you've already voted. The women, men started screaming, No. I proudly voted til November 3. They said, I'm sorry, but you've already been voted for and you have a ballot and these people are beside themselves. So they went out and they filled in a provisional ballot, putting the name Trump on it.
And what about that batch of military ballots that came in. And even though I won the military by a lot, it was 100 percent Trump. I mean 100 percent Biden. Do you know about that? A large group of ballots came in. I think it was to Fulton County and they just happened to be 100 percent for Trump — for Biden, even though Trump won the military by a lot, you know, a tremendous amount. But these ballots were 100 percent for Biden. And, do you know about that? A very substantial number came in, all for Biden. Does anybody know about it?

Mitchell: I know about it, but —

Trump: OK, Cleta, I'm not asking you Cleta, honestly. I'm asking Brad. Do you know about the military ballots that we have confirmed now. Do you know about the military ballots that came in that were 100 percent, I mean 100 percent for Biden. Do you know about that?

Germany: I don't know about that, I do know that we have when military ballots come in, it's not just military, it's also military and overseas citizens. The military part of that does generally go Republican. The overseas citizen part of it generally goes very Democrat. This was a mix of 'em.

Trump: No, but this was. That's OK. But I got like 78 percent in the military. These ballots were all for ... They didn't tell me overseas. Could be overseas too, but I get votes overseas too, Ryan, you know in all fairness. No they came in, a large batch came in and it was, quote, 100 percent for Biden. And that is criminal. You know, that's criminal. OK. That's another criminal, that's another of the many criminal events, many criminal events here.

Oh, I don't know, look Brad. I got to get ... I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. That's before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said, uh, well, there was no criminality.

But I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think it's very dangerous for you to say that.

I just, I just don't know why you don't want to have the votes counted as they are. Like even you when you went and did that check. And I was surprised because, you know ...the check... And we found a few thousand votes that were against me. I was actually surprised because the way that check was done, all you're doing is you know, recertifying existing votes and, you know, and you were given votes and you just counted them up and you still found 3,000 that were bad. So that was sort of surprising that it came down to three or five I don't know. still a lot of votes. But you have to go back to check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you check with Fulton County, you'll have hundreds of thousands because they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the other county next to it.

So what are we going to do here folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already. Or we can keep it going but that's not fair to the voters of Georgia because they're going to see what happened and they're going to see what happened. I mean, I'll, I'll take on to anybody you want with regard to [name] and her lovely daughter, a very lovely young lady, I'm sure. But, but [name] ... I will take on anybody you want. And the minimum, there were 18,000 ballots but they used them three times. So that's, you know, a lot of votes. ...and that one event... And they were all to Biden, by the way, that's the other thing we didn't say. You know, [name] , the one thing I forgot to say which was the most important. You know that every single ballot she did went to Biden. You know that, right? Do you know that, by the way, Brad?

Every single ballot that she did through the machines at early, early in the morning, went to Biden. Did you know that, Ryan?

Germany: That's not accurate, Mr. President.

Trump: Huh. What is accurate?

Germany: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.

Trump: No, about [name] . About early in the morning, Ryan. When the woman took, you know, when the whole gang took the stuff from under the table, right? Do you know, do you know who those ballots, who they were made out to, do you know who they were voting for?

Germany: No, not specifically.

Trump: Did you ever check?

Germany: We did what I described to you earlier —

Trump: No no no — did you ever check the ballots that were scanned by [name] , a known political operative and balloteer. Did ever check who those votes were for?

Germany: We looked into that situation that you described.

Trump: No, they were 100 percent for Biden. 100 percent. There wasn't a Trump vote in the whole group. Why don't you want to find this, Ryan? What's wrong with you? I heard your lawyer is very difficult, actually, but I'm sure you're a good lawyer. You have a nice last name.

But, but I'm just curious why wouldn't, why do you keep fighting this thing? It just doesn't make sense. We're way over the 17,779, right? We're way over that number and just if you took just [name] , we're over that number by five, five or six times when you multiply that times three.

And every single ballot went to Biden, and you didn't know that, but, now you know it. So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and it's not fair to take it away from us like this. And it's going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that you're going to reexamine it and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people that don't want to find answers. For instance, I'm hearing Ryan that he's probably, I'm sure a great lawyer and everything. But he's making statements about those ballots that he doesn't know. But he's making them with such — he did make them with surety. But now I think he's less sure because the answer is they all went to Biden and that alone wins us the election by a lot. You know, so.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, you have people that submit information and we have our people that submit information. And then it comes before the court and the court then has to make a determination. We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our numbers are right.

Trump: Why do you say that? I don't know. I mean, sure, we can play this game with the courts, but why do you say that? First of all they don't even assign us a judge. They don't even assign us a judge. But why wouldn't you — Hey Brad, why wouldn't you want to check out [name] ? And why wouldn't you want to say, hey, if in fact, President Trump is right about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, just that one incident alone without going through hundreds of thousands of dropped ballots. You just say, you stick by, I mean I've been watching you, you know, you don't care about anything. "Your numbers are right." But your numbers aren't right. They're really wrong and they're really wrong, Brad. And I know this phone call is going nowhere other than, other than ultimately, you know — Look ultimately, I win, okay?

Mitchell: Mr. Secretary...

Trump: Because you guys are so wrong. And you treated this. You treated the population of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who was down at 21, he was down 21 points. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him and he got elected, but I will tell you, he is a disaster.
And he knows, I can't imagine that people are so angry in Georgia, I can't imagine he's ever getting elected again I'll tell you that much right now. But why wouldn't you want to find the right answer, Brad, instead of keep saying that the numbers are right? Cause those numbers are so wrong?

Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of the things that we have been, Alex can talk about this, we talked about it, and I don't know whether the information has been conveyed to your office, but I think what the president is saying, and what we've been trying to do is to say, look, the court is not acting on our petition. They haven't even assigned a judge. But the people of Georgia and the people of America have a right to know the answers. And you have data and records that we don't have access to. And you keep telling us and making public statements that you investigated this and nothing to see here. But we don't know about that. All we know is what you tell us. What I don't understand is why wouldn't it be in everyone's best interest to try to get to the bottom, compare the numbers, you know, if you say, because - to try to be able to get to the truth because we don't have any way of confirming what you're telling us. You tell us that you had an investigation at the State Farm Arena. I don't have any report. I've never seen a report of investigation. I don't know that is. I've been pretty involved in this and I don't know. And that's just one of like , 25 categories. And it doesn't even, and as I, as the president said, we haven't even gotten into the Dominion issue. That's not part of our case. It's not part of our, we just didn't feel as though we had any way to be able to develop —

Trump: No, we do have a way but I don't want to get into it. We found a way in other states excuse me, but we don't need it because we're only down 11,000 votes so we don't even need it. I personally think they're corrupt as hell. But we don't need that. Because all we have to do Cleta is find 11,000-plus votes. So we don't need that. I'm not looking to shake up the whole world. We won Georgia easily. We won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But if you go by basic simple numbers, we won it easily, easily. So we're not giving Dominion a pass on the record. We just, we don't need Dominion, because we have so many other votes that we don't need to prove it any more than we already have.

Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, this is Kurt Hilbert, if I might interject for a moment. Um Ryan, I would like to suggest just four categories that have already been mentioned by the president that have actually hard numbers of 24,149 votes that were counted illegally. That in and of itself is sufficient to change the results or place the outcome in doubt. We would like to sit down with your office and we can do it through purposes of compromise and just like this phone call, just to deal with that limited category of votes. And if you are able to establish that our numbers are not accurate, then fine. However, we believe that they are accurate. We've had now three to four separate experts looking at these numbers.

Trump: Certified accountants looked at them.

Hilbert: Correct. And this is just based on USPS data and your own secretary of state's data. So that's what we would entreat and ask you to do, to sit down with us in a compromise and settlements proceeding and actually go through the registered voter IDs and registrations. And if you can convince us that that 24,149 is inaccurate, then fine. But we tend to believe that is, you know, obviously more than 11,779. That's sufficient to change the results entirely in of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?

Germany: Kurt, um I'm happy to get with our lawyers and we'll set that up. That number is not accurate. And I think we can show you, for all the ones we've looked at, why it's not. And so if that would be helpful, I'm happy to get with our lawyers and set that up with you guys.

Trump: Well, let me ask you, Kurt, you think that is an accurate number. That was based on the information given to you by the secretary of state's department, right?

Hilbert: That is correct. That information is the minimum most conservative data based upon the USPS data and the secretary of state's office data that has been made publicly available. We do not have the internal numbers from the secretary of state. Yet, we have asked for it six times. I sent a letter over to Mr... several times requesting this information, and it's been rebuffed every single time. So it stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, there's something to hide. That's the problem that we have.

Germany: Well, that's not the case sir. There are things that you guys are entitled to get. And there's things that under the law, we are not allowed to give out.

Trump: Well, you have to. Well, under the law you're not allowed to give faulty election results, OK? You're not allowed to do that. And that's what you done. This is a faulty election result. And honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election coming up and because of what you've done to the president — you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam. And because of what you've done to the president, a lot of people aren't going out to vote and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they're going to vote. And you would be respected. Really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election. You have a big election coming up on Tuesday. And therefore I think that it is really important that you meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. Because I know Brad that if you think we're right, I think you're going to say, and I'm not looking to blame anybody. I'm just saying you know, and, you know, under new counts, and under uh, new views, of the election results, we won the election. You know? It's very simple. We won the election. As the governors of major states and the surrounding states said, there is no way you lost Georgia, as the Georgia politicians say, there is no way, you lost Georgia. Nobody. Everyone knows I won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But I'll tell you it's going to have a big impact on Tuesday if you guys don't get this thing straightened out fast.

Meadows: Mr. President. This is Mark. It sounds like we've got two different sides agreeing that we can look at these areas ands I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of state's data to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that correct?

Germany: No, that's not what I said. I'm happy to have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and the lawyers on that side and explain to my him, here's, based on what we've looked at so far, here's how we know this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.

Meadows: So what you're saying, Ryan, let me let me make sure ... so what you're saying is you really don't want to give access to the data. You just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong?

Germany: I don't think we can give access to data that's protected by law. But we can sit down with them and say —

Trump: But you're allowed to have a phony election? You're allowed to have a phony election right?

Germany: No sir.

Trump: When are you going to do signature counts, when are you going to do signature verification on Fulton County, which you said you were going to do, and now all of a sudden you're not doing it. When are you doing that?

Germany: We are going to do that. We've announced —

Hilbert: To get to this issue of the personal information and privacy issue, is it possible that the secretary of state could deputize the lawyers for the president so that we could access that information and private information without you having any kind of violation?

Trump: Well, I don't want to know who it is. You guys can do it very confidentially. You can sign a confidentiality agreement. That's OK. I don't need to know names. But we go the information on this stuff that we're talking about. We got all that information from the secretary of state.

Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me recommend, Ryan, if you and Kurt would get together, you know, when we get off of this phone call, if you could get together and work out a plan to address some of what we've got with your attorneys where we can we can actually look at the data. For example, Mr. Secretary, I can tell you say they were only two dead people who would vote. I can promise you there were more than that. And that may be what your investigation shows, but I can promise you there were more than that. But at the same time, I think it's important that we go ahead and move expeditiously to try to do this and resolve it as quickly as we possibly can. And if that's the good next step. Hopefully we can, uh we can finish this phone call and go ahead and agree that the two of you will get together immediately.

Trump: Well why don't my lawyers show you where you got the information. It will show the secretary of state, and you don't even have to look at any names. We don't want names. We don't care. But we got that information from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about you know she's going around saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What she's done to this party is unbelievable, I tell ya. And I only ran against her once. And that was with a guy named Brian Kemp and I beat her. And if I didn't run, Brian wouldn't have had even a shot, either in the general or in the primary. He was dead, dead as a doornail. He never thought he had a shot at either one of them. What a schmuck I was. But that's the way it is. That's the way it is. I would like you ... for the attorneys ... I'd like you to perhaps meet with Ryan ideally tomorrow, because I think we should come to a resolution of this before the election. Otherwise you're going to have people just not voting. They don't want to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor and they hate the secretary of state. I will tell you that right now. The only people like you are people that will never vote for you. You know that Brad, right? They like you know, they like you. They can't believe what they found. They want people like you. So, look, can you get together tomorrow? And Brad. We just want the truth. It's simple. And everyone's going to look very good if the truth comes out. It's OK. It takes a little while but let the truth come out. And the real truth is I won by 400,000 votes. At least. That's the real truth. But we don't need 400,000. We need less than 2,000 votes. And are you guys able to meet tomorrow Ryan?
Germany: Um, I'll get with Chris, the lawyer representing us and the case, and see when he can get together with Kurt.

Raffensperger: Ryan will be in touch with the other attorney on this call, Mr. Meadows. Thank you President Trump for your time.

Trump: OK, thank you, Brad. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you very much. Bye.
 

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掐头去尾断章取义4分30秒
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据说是录口供的目的
做实对方包庇舞弊不作为
川普自己在推特说到此事,比华邮报道还早11小时

来来来,这就给你全本的,好好听听,如果有啥感想和新发现,欢迎随时来找我讨论。

我听完全后简直不敢相信,这种人还能当美国总统。

另外补充一下,川普虽然说要起诉Brad 录音,可从来没敢说 Brad 剪辑造假!

 

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据说是录口供的目的
做实对方包庇舞弊不作为
川普自己在推特说到此事,比华邮报道还早11小时


看一段,关于粉碎选票的对话,在看看发现的证据。。。

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Trump: What about, what about the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?

Germany: The only investigation that we have into that — they have not been shredding any ballots. There was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal office shredding, getting rid of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this is stuff from, you know, from you know past elections.

Trump: I don't know. It doesn't pass the smell test because we hear they're shredding thousands and thousands of ballots and now what they're saying, "Oh, we're just cleaning up the office." So I don't think they're cleaning.
 

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一个人投的票,有没有被counted,他应该是网上能查到的。
川普在关键州输的那么接近,川普的各种指控和诉讼闹得那么大,
如果你是投川普的人,你不会网上查查自己的票有没有被 算进去?
碎了几千张几万张选票,哪怕有一个人发现,这个事情捅出来就不得了。

但是至今没有。所以这个碎纸机碎投票不过和前面那些 谣言一样,只不过是一个莫须有的事情罢了
 

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来来来,这就给你全本的,好好听听,如果有啥感想和新发现,欢迎随时来找我讨论。

我听完全后简直不敢相信,这种人还能当美国总统。

另外补充一下,川普虽然说要起诉Brad 录音,可从来没敢说 Brad 剪辑造假!

昨天《华盛顿邮报》出了一篇独家报导引起热议,是关于川普在1月2号和乔州州务卿拉芬斯伯格(Brad Raffensperger)打的一通电话,《华邮》说“川普施压乔州州务卿,要求重新计票”。

目前被炒作得最厉害的一段就是说川普向州务卿“要票”,要州务卿找出11,780张票,只要他能比拜登多一张票就赢了。这一段川普原话是这么说的:
“我只要找到11,780张投我的票,就是比目前的差距多一张,因为我们赢得了乔治亚州(I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.)”


目前川普在乔州落后拜登1万779票。川普意思是,只要能够找出1万780张投给拜登的票是违法的,那川普就赢了乔州了。

其实这通电话是白宫和州政府双方律师都在线上参与的情况下发生的,那么日后如果双方要对薄公堂,这些通话都是可以作为呈堂供证的。

这通电话长达一小时,川普和他的团队例数了各类选举违规的现象和涉及到的选票数量,证明川普的确是压倒性地赢了乔州,我们听完这段电话录音的感觉是,因为这个乔州州务卿是共和党人,川普想要最后好言相劝一回:你看,我们已经掌握了这么多各种类型的选举违规,这些非法选票的数量已经远远超出了我在你们州落后拜登的1万779票的好几倍还多,所以,我们甚至都不用谈什么“多猫腻”机器翻票,就挑出几类违规,彻底调查一下,就能找出足够的选票证明我川普确实是赢了乔州了,大家就不必大动干戈,非得要动用人力物力财力去清查更大范围的舞弊了。

川普在电话上多次问州务卿和州政府的律师,某某具体情况你们知道吗?知道了还说没有舞弊,那么就是犯罪了哟,是要承担责任的,其用意还是敦促乔州切实履行他的职责,维持公正诚实的选举结果。否则川普就要有所行动了。

这个过程被左媒解释为:川普威胁州务卿、然后又哀求你给我去找票吧,赢拜登一张就行。

全部通话是一个小时,华盛顿邮报还剪出了一个四分钟版本,听起来就是川普团队说发现了多少违规的票,然后州务卿就对这些指控一一否认,说川普团队的数据是错的,却没有提供更多的细节。那么,真实情况是怎样呢?当听完1小时的通话录音,你就会发现,原来过去两个月,川普团队多次要求乔州政府提供他们独家掌握的数据,也就是他们说川普团队指控的违规不存在的依据,但是包括在1月2号的通话中,这个拉芬斯伯格州务卿却一再拒绝提供州政府所拥有的数据,说是涉及选民信息等等,需要保护。大家觉得这个说法,跟多猫腻投票机说技术专利不能被检查,是不是如出一辙?到这里就很明显了,反正不管你们怎么拿出数据证明选票非法,我们就是不承认,反正你们也看不到真实的数据,我们就是打死不承认,死无对证。

川普最近和包括国会议员在内的很多人通话。其实目的都差不多,和国会议员通话,就表示自己大致有什么样的证据,1月6号提出的时候,希望议员们能站出来支持。现在就是和乔州州务卿的通话被泄露给了媒体,被扣上了滥用权力干扰选举的帽子,被借题作成了川普万恶不赦的大把柄。要这么说这上百个电话都是在滥用权力了,但实际上所有这些通话都是在白宫幕僚长的安排下,有律师在场的情况下完成的。

我今天这么想,就这么个通话都能被炒成一棵大毒草,又把当年炒作通俄门的劲头拿出来了。那么前段时间爆光的CNN晨会录音又该算什么呢?那是CNN的行政和新闻负责人的例行碰头会,CNN总裁Jeff Zucker指示编辑团队,决不能把川普当成正常人来报导,要报导川普“不稳定的行为”、病了、输了、绝望了。《华邮》和CNN这方面的编辑原则是完全一致的。

那对CNN的晨会录音朋友们是何感想呢?川普的录音曝光就是罪证了,CNN不算恶意干扰选举吗?它不用承担总统同样的责任,但是它也有很大影响力。它的录音就当没听见、没发生吗?左派最主要的问题就是双重标准、N重标准。
 

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有了微信以来,网上各种教你识人的鸡汤文泛滥,男女老幼朋友圈动不动就甩给你一篇“三招教你看透人性”“两招帮你猜透人心”。看的时候恍然大悟,看完之后该挨骗挨骗,该挨宰挨宰,啥都没耽误过。

不过现在这个问题容易了,真正帮你一招儿辨清敌友,一个问题让你看清左右。那就是川黑不可交!

“川黑”,不仅是指那些自始至终讨厌川普的人,还包括所有以各种理由反对川普或者承认拜登的人。


如果说看不懂川普主义还有情可原,认知系统不同嘛,但是大选这件事证明的却不是认知方式的问题,而是人品问题,证明的是川黑们的愚蠢、狡猾、无底线。

川黑愚蠢。智商正常一点儿的人,在全世界众目睽睽之下多州夜间突然停止计票那一刻,就能猜到拜派要做手脚,只是绝大多数人都没想他们的手段会多么阴险狠毒而已。几个小时之后出现的“拜登曲线”,更是公然强暴大众的智商。

但是川黑们却愚蠢到对这些视而不见,拒绝并侮辱公众对这些重大疑点的质疑,还要像法官一样要“证据,证据……”

什么是证据?各州听证会上那些宣誓证人所提供的全都是证据,而他们提供给听证会的证据,恰恰就是11月4日以来被川黑们拒绝和侮辱的那些“谣言”。

按川黑的逻辑,如果这些不是证据,那么川黑也永远证明不了他爹是他爹,因为即使是最权威的DNA,准确率也达不到百分之百,胜不了休谟的“黑天鹅”怀疑论。

川黑狡猾。愚蠢的人往往都是狡猾的,所谓“聪明不等于智慧”说的就是这种人。自始至终的川黑,是纯度很高的愚蠢,而前恭后倨的墙头草川黑,则是既愚蠢又狡猾。他们是识时务者,是所谓“不能改变社会就改变自己”的人。不管是跟朱明还是跟满清,他们都是能及时在新环境中找到属于自己的韭菜的人。

但是他们的狡猾只能是小聪明,认知结构决定了他们不可能有大智慧。就拿川黑反川舔拜最堂皇的理由——“相信美国制度”来说,“美国制度”是他们的小聪明的天花板,因而他们也许真的认为那种制度下不可能出现大规模系统性的舞弊,否则就会动摇他们对人类那点可怜的希望。

他们看不到也想不通的是:川普如果能够揭露巨大的舞弊骗局,难道不是制度的优势?川普如果靠国会选举人投票获胜,难道不是制度的优势?川普如果靠最高法院判胜,难道不也是制度的优势?

即使这些都不能解决,重温亚当斯200多年前的警告吧:“我们的制度只适合有信仰有道德的人,对其他人类完全不适合!”

当舞弊威胁到有信仰有道德的民众时,川普最终靠民众的拥戴,甚至发生内战最终得胜,铲除丧失了信仰和道德的舞弊者,难道不也是《独立宣言》精神之下的制度的胜利?

珍惜生命,远离愚蠢而狡猾的川黑。这次混乱丑陋的大选其实功德无量,功德之一就是让你快速而准确地认清了“川黑”这种人渣。这种人无所谓底线,如果有,那么只有他自己的利益,必要的时候连亲人都会成为他的自以为“大智慧”的一个牺牲品,便何况那些被他们百割不厌的韭菜。
 
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我一直希望川普赢
但觉得希望越来越小
期待1月6号有点惊喜
 
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来来来,这就给你全本的,好好听听,如果有啥感想和新发现,欢迎随时来找我讨论。

我听完全后简直不敢相信,这种人还能当美国总统。

另外补充一下,川普虽然说要起诉Brad 录音,可从来没敢说 Brad 剪辑造假!

凡是说关于这个录音的报道是“断章取义”的,其实反映了本身没有接受过良好的学术训练。相关新闻报道在正文中quote了川普的话,随后附上整个对话的录音或者文字稿作为reference,这与任何学术paper的格式是一样的。这样做的目的正是为了防止“断章取义”。但有一些人没有经受过严格的学术训练,对于正式的论战和交锋没有理解,只是停留在骂架那个层次,觉得不管对方说什么,只要说“你是断章取义”或者“你是偷换概念”,就是一个不错的回答了。

我了解了整个录音之后,比仅仅看那一句话,受到了更深的震撼。长话短说,主要提两点:

1 - 川普在整个电话中,反复重复那些早已被推翻的陈词滥调,夹杂着威胁和恐吓。而GA的官员却不卑不亢,简明扼要地对川普说no,并且告诉他你的数据是错的。我以为事情发展至今,川普就算想游说,也应该拿出一些新鲜的东西,而不是用自己总统的身份去威压各个州法庭的裁判。但可见川普没有把法律和法庭当作一回事。如果说认为地位和权威(假设川普现在还有的话)可以威压法庭,那么可见规则和程序在心中一钱不值。

2 - 按说,川普的正当主张应该是“计算每一张合法选票,剔除每一张非法选票”。但现在川普放弃了这个至少听起来正义的主张,片面强调自己仅仅需要GA的官员帮他找票,只要找出比拜登多1张票就行。这明摆着已经跟正义没有一毛钱的关系,而是明确的结果导向了。换句话说,只要能保住自己总统的位置,到底自己获得多少张选票根本不重要!这样的主张都能说得出口,还有什么遮羞布可言呢?这也能行的话,他与卡扎菲又有何区别呢?如果有区别,也只是卡扎菲至少是个男人,在政变的时候敢于身先士卒“兄弟们跟我上“,而川普只是躲在地堡中指望着其他人为他偷窃总统的宝座,然后还留着后路随时可以甩锅给别人。

看来,到了今天,川普已经不仅输掉了法庭上,还输在了法庭下。不仅失去了连任的机会,还disqualify了自己在剩下的两周时间作为总统的资格。不仅输给了民主党,还丧失了共和党的人心。现在是时候考虑在监狱内养老的事情了。
 
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各位支持拜登或者反对川普的朋友,
我和你们是一个阵营的
不过我还是认为1月6日确实是他们最后的机会。也就是说1月6日前他们还可以说没最后定。
也快了,就后天,我觉得翻盘基本没希望,可能性小于0.1%。我帮ADMIN吆喝一下,如果拜登币是0.95,值得你买。
我敢说,1月20号之后,川粉还会说法律战没有结束,一旦真相大白拜登就会被弹劾川普就会重新回到白宫。而且他们还会说让拜登上台是川普一盘大棋中的关键一招,就是为了让美国人看清deep state到底有多么肮脏和强大,让美国人知道川普是真神选中的“神选之人”。
 

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凡是说关于这个录音的报道是“断章取义”的,其实反映了本身没有接受过良好的学术训练。相关新闻报道在正文中quote了川普的话,随后附上整个对话的录音或者文字稿作为reference,这与任何学术paper的格式是一样的。这样做的目的正是为了防止“断章取义”。但有一些人没有经受过严格的学术训练,对于正式的论战和交锋没有理解,只是停留在骂架那个层次,觉得不管对方说什么,只要说“你是断章取义”或者“你是偷换概念”,就是一个不错的回答了。

我了解了整个录音之后,比仅仅看那一句话,受到了更深的震撼。长话短说,主要提两点:

1 - 川普在整个电话中,反复重复那些早已被推翻的陈词滥调,夹杂着威胁和恐吓。而GA的官员却不卑不亢,简明扼要地对川普说no,并且告诉他你的数据是错的。我以为事情发展至今,川普就算想游说,也应该拿出一些新鲜的东西,而不是用自己总统的身份去威压各个州法庭的裁判。但可见川普没有把法律和法庭当作一回事。如果说认为地位和权威(假设川普现在还有的话)可以威压法庭,那么可见规则和程序在心中一钱不值。

2 - 按说,川普的正当主张应该是“计算每一张合法选票,剔除每一张非法选票”。但现在川普放弃了这个至少听起来正义的主张,片面强调自己仅仅需要GA的官员帮他找票,只要找出比拜登多1张票就行。这明摆着已经跟正义没有一毛钱的关系,而是明确的结果导向了。换句话说,只要能保住自己总统的位置,到底自己获得多少张选票根本不重要!这样的主张都能说得出口,还有什么遮羞布可言呢?这也能行的话,他与卡扎菲又有何区别呢?如果有区别,也只是卡扎菲至少是个男人,在政变的时候敢于身先士卒“兄弟们跟我上“,而川普只是躲在地堡中指望着其他人为他偷窃总统的宝座,然后还留着后路随时可以甩锅给别人。

看来,到了今天,川普已经不仅输掉了法庭上,还输在了法庭下。不仅失去了连任的机会,还disqualify了自己在剩下的两周时间作为总统的资格。不仅输给了民主党,还丧失了共和党的人心。现在是时候考虑在监狱内养老的事情了。
我敢说,1月20号之后,川粉还会说法律战没有结束,一旦真相大白拜登就会被弹劾川普就会重新回到白宫。而且他们还会说让拜登上台是川普一盘大棋中的关键一招,就是为了让美国人看清deep state到底有多么肮脏和强大,让美国人知道川普是真神选中的“神选之人”。
盗窃选票装着没看见,见到个被剪辑的电话录音如同打了兴奋剂,所有媒体嗨翻了。
美国真的病了,需要川普再来医治四年,让美国great again!

全部通话是一个小时,华盛顿邮报还剪出了一个四分钟版本,听起来就是川普团队说发现了多少违规的票,然后州务卿就对这些指控一一否认,说川普团队的数据是错的,却没有提供更多的细节。那么,真实情况是怎样呢?当听完1小时的通话录音,你就会发现,原来过去两个月,川普团队多次要求乔州政府提供他们独家掌握的数据,也就是他们说川普团队指控的违规不存在的依据,但是包括在1月2号的通话中,这个拉芬斯伯格州务卿却一再拒绝提供州政府所拥有的数据,说是涉及选民信息等等,需要保护。大家觉得这个说法,跟多猫腻投票机说技术专利不能被检查,是不是如出一辙?到这里就很明显了,反正不管你们怎么拿出数据证明选票非法,我们就是不承认,反正你们也看不到真实的数据,我们就是打死不承认,死无对证。

川普最近和包括国会议员在内的很多人通话。其实目的都差不多,和国会议员通话,就表示自己大致有什么样的证据,1月6号提出的时候,希望议员们能站出来支持。现在就是和乔州州务卿的通话被泄露给了媒体,被扣上了滥用权力干扰选举的帽子,被借题作成了川普万恶不赦的大把柄。要这么说这上百个电话都是在滥用权力了,但实际上所有这些通话都是在白宫幕僚长的安排下,有律师在场的情况下完成的。
 
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盗窃选票装着没看见,见到个被剪辑的电话录音如同打了兴奋剂,所有媒体嗨翻了。
美国真的病了,需要川普再来医治四年,让美国great again!

全部通话是一个小时,华盛顿邮报还剪出了一个四分钟版本,听起来就是川普团队说发现了多少违规的票,然后州务卿就对这些指控一一否认,说川普团队的数据是错的,却没有提供更多的细节。那么,真实情况是怎样呢?当听完1小时的通话录音,你就会发现,原来过去两个月,川普团队多次要求乔州政府提供他们独家掌握的数据,也就是他们说川普团队指控的违规不存在的依据,但是包括在1月2号的通话中,这个拉芬斯伯格州务卿却一再拒绝提供州政府所拥有的数据,说是涉及选民信息等等,需要保护。大家觉得这个说法,跟多猫腻投票机说技术专利不能被检查,是不是如出一辙?到这里就很明显了,反正不管你们怎么拿出数据证明选票非法,我们就是不承认,反正你们也看不到真实的数据,我们就是打死不承认,死无对证。

川普最近和包括国会议员在内的很多人通话。其实目的都差不多,和国会议员通话,就表示自己大致有什么样的证据,1月6号提出的时候,希望议员们能站出来支持。现在就是和乔州州务卿的通话被泄露给了媒体,被扣上了滥用权力干扰选举的帽子,被借题作成了川普万恶不赦的大把柄。要这么说这上百个电话都是在滥用权力了,但实际上所有这些通话都是在白宫幕僚长的安排下,有律师在场的情况下完成的。
GA拒绝给川普看“细节”,到底合法不合法?如果GA是非法的,那么川普就向最高法院申诉,要求GA披露信息啊!何况,川普诬告选举舞弊并非只在GA,而是告遍所有摇摆州。难道这些互不相识的司法部门都串通一气了坑害现任总统吗?而且竟然都铁板一块,连一个反水的都没有。凭常识说,这种指控也站不住脚。

至于说律师在不在场,对于尊重法律权威的人来说区别挺大的,但对于川普来说,就呵呵了。毕竟是前两天还怂恿自己的团队用“戒严”、“军管”吓唬对方来着。有枪在手,法律几毛钱一斤?当然,民主党也没闲着,这个电话录音作为证据找川普的法律麻烦是肯定的。只是今天就要选参议员,再过24小时就要国会认证了,其他法律上的事儿不一定非得急在这一天,对吧。
 
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如果整个过程看成是 川普 vs 拜登 的一场竞赛,那么我想知道在川普眼里这个竞赛到底有没有裁判。有,还是没有?Yes, or No?

本来我以为川普跟大家一样,认为各州的官员就是裁判,各州报出数字就算结束了。但我们错了。
后来我看川粉说各州的官司在打,我以为各州的法院是裁判。结果川普输了官司还不认,我们又错了。
再后来我听说川普在“最高法院有自己人”,我已经有点不相信川普了,但仍觉得川普可能认为最高法院是最终裁判。结果最高法院也不受理他的诉讼——相当于维持原判。结果川普又不认。
后来川普说如果选举人团确认了选票他就承认。结果选举人团确认过了,他还是食言。
现在又要1月6号在国会闹事。那么国会如果确认了呢?川普会认可吗?我很怀疑。
1月20日下午拜登要就职。川普会在拜登就职后认输吗?我觉得更不可能。

我就想问哈,如果在川普眼中这个竞赛其实根本没有裁判,那么他从一开始为什么参与进来???
 

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GA拒绝给川普看“细节”,到底合法不合法?如果GA是非法的,那么川普就向最高法院申诉,要求GA披露信息啊!何况,川普诬告选举舞弊并非只在GA,而是告遍所有摇摆州。难道这些互不相识的司法部门都串通一气了坑害现任总统吗?而且竟然都铁板一块,连一个反水的都没有。凭常识说,这种指控也站不住脚。

至于说律师在不在场,对于尊重法律权威的人来说区别挺大的,但对于川普来说,就呵呵了。毕竟是前两天还怂恿自己的团队用“戒严”、“军管”吓唬对方来着。有枪在手,法律几毛钱一斤?当然,民主党也没闲着,这个电话录音作为证据找川普的法律麻烦是肯定的。只是今天就要选参议员,再过24小时就要国会认证了,其他法律上的事儿不一定非得急在这一天,对吧。
麻烦你找找看,在联邦最高院的案子有几个?!
什么时候开庭呢?

昨天川普在乔治亚州集会的演讲观看者高达259000人;
而拜登也去乔治亚州给两个猪党候选人造势,现场不足15辆车,网络上不足1000人观看!
埋地下的人上不了网?!
任何有脑子的人都会发觉这位“赢得”8100万选票的人有多假!
 
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麻烦你找找看,在联邦最高院的案子有几个?!
什么时候开庭呢?

昨天川普在乔治亚州集会的演讲观看者高达259000人;
而拜登也去乔治亚州给两个猪党候选人造势,现场不足15辆车,网络上不足1000人观看!
埋地下的人上不了网?!
任何有脑子的人都会发觉这位“赢得”8100万选票的人有多假!
联邦最高院涉及到川普的官司一共有几个,我不知道。但我知道有两个被toss out的。一个是指控宾州舞弊还是别的什么,另一个是TX告宾州邮寄选票过期什么的,对吧?最近假期,我懒洋洋的爱记错事,如果我记错了请你指正就好。这难道还不能说明高院是在正常工作的吗?川普如果有新的case,尽管去告。就算过了1月20,按照川粉的信念,“非法总统”就是“非法总统”,法律战来日方长,不是吗?

再说所谓集会人数或者网上观看人数这件事。川普是个网红,比拜登这个政治家点击量大太正常了。你信不信,北京市市长也好,中国国家主席也好,在网上讲话的观看量绝对没有李佳琦、李子七之类的多。这能说明什么呢???
 

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如果整个过程看成是 川普 vs 拜登 的一场竞赛,那么我想知道在川普眼里这个竞赛到底有没有裁判。有,还是没有?Yes, or No?

本来我以为川普跟大家一样,认为各州的官员就是裁判,各州报出数字就算结束了。但我们错了。
后来我看川粉说各州的官司在打,我以为各州的法院是裁判。结果川普输了官司还不认,我们又错了。
再后来我听说川普在“最高法院有自己人”,我已经有点不相信川普了,但仍觉得川普可能认为最高法院是最终裁判。结果最高法院也不受理他的诉讼——相当于维持原判。结果川普又不认。
后来川普说如果选举人团确认了选票他就承认。结果选举人团确认过了,他还是食言。
现在又要1月6号在国会闹事。那么国会如果确认了呢?川普会认可吗?我很怀疑。
1月20日下午拜登要就职。川普会在拜登就职后认输吗?我觉得更不可能。

我就想问哈,如果在川普眼中这个竞赛其实根本没有裁判,那么他从一开始为什么参与进来???
小朋友,你从来没有看见过选票吧?!
也从来没有投过票吧?!
你不是蠢,是坏,心坏掉了

按照民事诉讼原则,一方选举人认为选举舞弊(暨各州的选举官员造假),起诉到法院;
法院应该立刻扣下相关证据--选票和投票机;
然后请中立的第三方或者法医(也可以是罪证调查员)做司法鉴定;
请问这个浅显的司法程序和逻辑,你是否理解?!

另外,教你一个什么叫举证责任倒置?
选票在被告手里,不在原告手中;
应该由被告出示证据,每一张选票都是合法的;
如果是人工计票的话,那就要把每一张选票在两党监督员面前唱票;
有争议的放一边,最后裁决

目前看到的是什么呢?
1、选票只能由犯罪嫌疑人排除监督者,自己数,每个摇摆州发生。
2、从犯罪嫌疑人自己创建的数据库里面发现大量的死人、幽灵投票者,这是每个州发现的
3、MI几千张选票的签名为同一个人,同一字体
4、经过AZ法官许可,随机抽取100张计数过的选票,发现有2张从川普转到白等,一个来回就是4%
5、MI计票机经过独立的司法审计,发现有转票、大量的选票不能辨识后经过非监督的人工裁定;选举日的数据和日志被抹去
6、邮寄选票收回计票的数量比发出去的多

选举案属于民事诉讼,证据超51%即可裁决。
但案子涉及面是在太大;
按共产主义自由派意识形态领会,这是导致“千万人头落地”的政治后果。
结果成了刑事诉讼案,证据必须是百分之百超出“有道理的怀疑”。

各摇摆州地方法院的神逻辑:
选举前的法院:您不能抱怨甚至都不会发生的非法投票!提早起诉!
选举后的法院:您不能抱怨已经发生的非法投票!起诉太迟了!
有没有感觉是墙国法院呢?

州级法官们心里都很清楚,他们没这个胆量翻盘;
一州翻,州州翻;
推到联邦最高院是必然趋势。

现在联邦最高院采取缓立案、不开庭、不听证;拖字诀
 

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另外,现在不是说证据不足;
证据实在是太多了,甚至可以说堆满了整个屋子;
法院开庭审理,那就是一个个呈堂证供,记录在卷宗里的;
法庭开听证会,也属于证据的展示;
哪个法官胆敢枉法判决?
况且Antifa、黑命贵等着闹事;
法官和家人被死亡威胁;

怎么办?
把案子扔出去,最简单啊
 
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小朋友,你从来没有看见过选票吧?!
也从来没有投过票吧?!
你不是蠢,是坏,心坏掉了

按照民事诉讼原则,一方选举人认为选举舞弊(暨各州的选举官员造假),起诉到法院;
法院应该立刻扣下相关证据--选票和投票机;
然后请中立的第三方或者法医(也可以是罪证调查员)做司法鉴定;
请问这个浅显的司法程序和逻辑,你是否理解?!

另外,教你一个什么叫举证责任倒置?
选票在被告手里,不在原告手中;
应该由被告出示证据,每一张选票都是合法的;
如果是人工计票的话,那就要把每一张选票在两党监督员面前唱票;
有争议的放一边,最后裁决

目前看到的是什么呢?
1、选票只能由犯罪嫌疑人排除监督者,自己数,每个摇摆州发生。
2、从犯罪嫌疑人自己创建的数据库里面发现大量的死人、幽灵投票者,这是每个州发现的
3、MI几千张选票的签名为同一个人,同一字体
4、经过AZ法官许可,随机抽取100张计数过的选票,发现有2张从川普转到白等,一个来回就是4%
5、MI计票机经过独立的司法审计,发现有转票、大量的选票不能辨识后经过非监督的人工裁定;选举日的数据和日志被抹去
6、邮寄选票收回计票的数量比发出去的多

选举案属于民事诉讼,证据超51%即可裁决。
但案子涉及面是在太大;
按共产主义自由派意识形态领会,这是导致“千万人头落地”的政治后果。
结果成了刑事诉讼案,证据必须是百分之百超出“有道理的怀疑”。

各摇摆州地方法院的神逻辑:
选举前的法院:您不能抱怨甚至都不会发生的非法投票!提早起诉!
选举后的法院:您不能抱怨已经发生的非法投票!起诉太迟了!
有没有感觉是墙国法院呢?

州级法官们心里都很清楚,他们没这个胆量翻盘;
一州翻,州州翻;
推到联邦最高院是必然趋势。

现在联邦最高院采取缓立案、不开庭、不听证;拖字诀
你列举了很多跟法院所讲的证据不同的“事实”,这个我就不跟你争论了。什么“蠢”啊“坏”啊之类的侮辱用词,我知道这是你花钱买川普币买来的特权,也是你跟人争论时候的主要倚仗的武器,我也就一笑了之了。但你提到如下的内容:

“另外,教你一个什么叫举证责任倒置?
选票在被告手里,不在原告手中;
应该由被告出示证据,每一张选票都是合法的;
如果是人工计票的话,那就要把每一张选票在两党监督员面前唱票;

有争议的放一边,最后裁决”

我凭借有限的常识,认定你说的是错误的。如果仅仅因为“选票在被告手里”,举证责任就在被告,那么作为被告就会陷入到无穷无尽的麻烦中,终身不能脱身。

川普说dominion有诈,于是被告就得拆开dominion自证清白。
川普说网络有黑客,于是被告就得重新测试每一个router每一个switch。
川普说选票签字有误,于是被告就得一张张把选票给川普的人看。
川普说选票有假,于是被告就得一张张选票验证真伪。
川普说死人投票,于是被告就得一张张选票核对生死。
……

这得耗费多少时间?有可能做完吗?我觉得川普肯定需要至少拿出一些证据,能够让法庭认可川普的指控有一定依据,然后才继续。最初的举证责任肯定是在原告啊,谁主张谁举证啊。其实别说就是一个原告了,在北美这边,就算是警方怀疑杀人犯把尸体藏在自家,在缺乏必要足够证据之前都不能直接闯入嫌疑犯家搜查的。现在的问题就是,川普一方(不一定是川普律师团队,这里我disclaim任何文字游戏)举出来的证据,各个州——注意,不是“一个州”的“一个坏法官”,而是很多个州——的法庭看了以后认为没有继续下去的意义。

还有何话说?
 
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你列举了很多跟法院所讲的证据不同的“事实”,这个我就不跟你争论了。什么“蠢”啊“坏”啊之类的侮辱用词,我知道这是你花钱买川普币买来的特权,也是你跟人争论时候的主要倚仗的武器,我也就一笑了之了。但你提到如下的内容:

“另外,教你一个什么叫举证责任倒置?
选票在被告手里,不在原告手中;
应该由被告出示证据,每一张选票都是合法的;
如果是人工计票的话,那就要把每一张选票在两党监督员面前唱票;

有争议的放一边,最后裁决”

我凭借有限的常识,认定你说的是错误的。如果仅仅因为“选票在被告手里”,举证责任就在被告,那么作为被告就会陷入到无穷无尽的麻烦中,终身不能脱身。

川普说dominion有诈,于是被告就得拆开dominion自证清白。
川普说网络有黑客,于是被告就得重新测试每一个router每一个switch。
川普说选票签字有误,于是被告就得一张张把选票给川普的人看。
川普说选票有假,于是被告就得一张张选票验证真伪。
川普说死人投票,于是被告就得一张张选票核对生死。
……

这得耗费多少时间?有可能做完吗?我觉得川普肯定需要至少拿出一些证据,能够让法庭认可川普的指控有一定依据,然后才继续。最初的举证责任肯定是在原告啊,谁主张谁举证啊。其实别说就是一个原告了,在北美这边,就算是警方怀疑杀人犯把尸体藏在自家,在缺乏必要足够证据之前都不能直接闯入嫌疑犯家搜查的。现在的问题就是,川普一方(不一定是川普律师团队,这里我disclaim任何文字游戏)举出来的证据,各个州——注意,不是一个州,而是很多个州——的法庭看了以后认为没有继续下去的意义。

还有何话说?
就用Dominion举例说明:
法院开庭;
被告可以拿出合法使用Dominion的相关文件,比如说相关机构的许可证明,不就是举证了吗?
原告拿出依据,说Dominion涉嫌转票、造票;
那么法官会选用一个独立的第三方机构做司法鉴定,8小时完成;
你看,在MI不就是这样做的吗?

再举例这个投票机
在AZ,州议会发出对Dominion司法审计传票;
地方选举官员拒不执行;
这不是此地无银三百两?

相关领域专家指出,一个州,几百万张纸质选票和扫描文件,只要花2-3天就可以完成司法鉴定;
司法鉴定可以分辨出:
1、选票是否是打印机打出的选票;
2、选票在哪个印刷厂,哪台机器印刷;
3、选票是否是假票,是否是人工填写;
4、甚至可以做签名比对

川普团队提供的证据不是不够多,实在太多了,堆满了一屋子;
法官不敢、也不愿意接案子;
地方法院说我的庙太小,接待不了总统候选人这么大尊的神;
你去上面说理去;
所以目前到了联邦最高院

你不要再玩偷换概念、烂死蛇一条的耍赖辩解啦!!!
 
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一个人投的票,有没有被counted,他应该是网上能查到的。
川普在关键州输的那么接近,川普的各种指控和诉讼闹得那么大,
如果你是投川普的人,你不会网上查查自己的票有没有被 算进去?
碎了几千张几万张选票,哪怕有一个人发现,这个事情捅出来就不得了。

但是至今没有。所以这个碎纸机碎投票不过和前面那些 谣言一样,只不过是一个莫须有的事情罢了

昨天《华盛顿邮报》出了一篇独家报导引起热议,是关于川普在1月2号和乔州州务卿拉芬斯伯格(Brad Raffensperger)打的一通电话,《华邮》说“川普施压乔州州务卿,要求重新计票”。

目前被炒作得最厉害的一段就是说川普向州务卿“要票”,要州务卿找出11,780张票,只要他能比拜登多一张票就赢了。这一段川普原话是这么说的:
“我只要找到11,780张投我的票,就是比目前的差距多一张,因为我们赢得了乔治亚州(I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.)”


目前川普在乔州落后拜登1万779票。川普意思是,只要能够找出1万780张投给拜登的票是违法的,那川普就赢了乔州了。

其实这通电话是白宫和州政府双方律师都在线上参与的情况下发生的,那么日后如果双方要对薄公堂,这些通话都是可以作为呈堂供证的。

这通电话长达一小时,川普和他的团队例数了各类选举违规的现象和涉及到的选票数量,证明川普的确是压倒性地赢了乔州,我们听完这段电话录音的感觉是,因为这个乔州州务卿是共和党人,川普想要最后好言相劝一回:你看,我们已经掌握了这么多各种类型的选举违规,这些非法选票的数量已经远远超出了我在你们州落后拜登的1万779票的好几倍还多,所以,我们甚至都不用谈什么“多猫腻”机器翻票,就挑出几类违规,彻底调查一下,就能找出足够的选票证明我川普确实是赢了乔州了,大家就不必大动干戈,非得要动用人力物力财力去清查更大范围的舞弊了。

川普在电话上多次问州务卿和州政府的律师,某某具体情况你们知道吗?知道了还说没有舞弊,那么就是犯罪了哟,是要承担责任的,其用意还是敦促乔州切实履行他的职责,维持公正诚实的选举结果。否则川普就要有所行动了。

这个过程被左媒解释为:川普威胁州务卿、然后又哀求你给我去找票吧,赢拜登一张就行。

全部通话是一个小时,华盛顿邮报还剪出了一个四分钟版本,听起来就是川普团队说发现了多少违规的票,然后州务卿就对这些指控一一否认,说川普团队的数据是错的,却没有提供更多的细节。那么,真实情况是怎样呢?当听完1小时的通话录音,你就会发现,原来过去两个月,川普团队多次要求乔州政府提供他们独家掌握的数据,也就是他们说川普团队指控的违规不存在的依据,但是包括在1月2号的通话中,这个拉芬斯伯格州务卿却一再拒绝提供州政府所拥有的数据,说是涉及选民信息等等,需要保护。大家觉得这个说法,跟多猫腻投票机说技术专利不能被检查,是不是如出一辙?到这里就很明显了,反正不管你们怎么拿出数据证明选票非法,我们就是不承认,反正你们也看不到真实的数据,我们就是打死不承认,死无对证。

川普最近和包括国会议员在内的很多人通话。其实目的都差不多,和国会议员通话,就表示自己大致有什么样的证据,1月6号提出的时候,希望议员们能站出来支持。现在就是和乔州州务卿的通话被泄露给了媒体,被扣上了滥用权力干扰选举的帽子,被借题作成了川普万恶不赦的大把柄。要这么说这上百个电话都是在滥用权力了,但实际上所有这些通话都是在白宫幕僚长的安排下,有律师在场的情况下完成的。

我今天这么想,就这么个通话都能被炒成一棵大毒草,又把当年炒作通俄门的劲头拿出来了。那么前段时间爆光的CNN晨会录音又该算什么呢?那是CNN的行政和新闻负责人的例行碰头会,CNN总裁Jeff Zucker指示编辑团队,决不能把川普当成正常人来报导,要报导川普“不稳定的行为”、病了、输了、绝望了。《华邮》和CNN这方面的编辑原则是完全一致的。

那对CNN的晨会录音朋友们是何感想呢?川普的录音曝光就是罪证了,CNN不算恶意干扰选举吗?它不用承担总统同样的责任,但是它也有很大影响力。它的录音就当没听见、没发生吗?左派最主要的问题就是双重标准、N重标准。
不知道你有没有自己听过一遍。 懂王在1小时电话里没有拿出任何证据支撑选举舞弊的说法(谁主张谁举证是常识)。 他的借口就是 “有传言说....” "人民很愤怒..." "据说....",然后提出各种要求 。 如果你没有失忆而且川普没有撒谎,为什么他不把在德国缴获的多米尼投票机拿出来 ?

至于CNN,他们作为媒体不掌握公权力,本来就可以有倾向性。 Fox News , NewsMax,Oan 都有各自的倾向,有什么不可以?
 
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