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回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

我还是那句话:现在无论参加哪个律师的,都迟了,错过了6月14这个日子,拿ME就要多等一年。

6月14以后加入的,要等重新开庭。开庭在今年已经不可能了。今年联邦法庭的日程表已经写满了。
只有Tim的是有更大可能性,因为若是动议通过,后边参加的,就是9月15日前立案的,也能分享他跟移民部达成的协议。我现在感觉,没有参加诉讼的,不是等到明年,是等到猴年马月。
这些年人家理过我们吗?以后移民系统整体改革,更想不起我们了,因此,两煎熬,移民部希望把我们这些backlog拖油瓶的熬走了,我们也巴望把移民部长熬走了,来个新人,燃起新希望。
我去河边溜达一圈,减肥,不回帖了,您周末愉快!
 
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回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

您就等着失望吧。
那也比在移民部长那里盼望强一点。
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

那也比在移民部长那里盼望强一点。
康尼部长国会发言把我们技术移民旧案定性为上届liberal党丢下的垃圾MESS,以下为发言内容:
Mr. Speaker, when this government came to office in 2006, after 13 years of Liberal neglect and incompetence with respect to our immigration system, we inherited 840,000 people waiting in the Liberal immigration backlog for decisions for up toseven or eight years. That member
belonged to the government that allowed seven and eight year wait times to develop.

Thanks to the action we have taken, consistently opposed by the Liberal Party, we have managed to cut the skilled worker backlog in half. Now we are going to a just-in-time immigration system that will accept newcomers within months rather than years. We are cleaning up the Liberals' mess.
 
最后编辑: 2012-09-09
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

[FONT=宋体]老僧点评: 梁中心(加拿大移民部部长副手)∶[/FONT]28[FONT=宋体]万技术移民一刀切[/FONT][FONT=宋体]政府不走回头路[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体](世上的路走了就回转不来的是绝路,难道保守党政府走上了有去无回的绝路?还是打着政府旗号,花着纳税人钱,为了拉选票吸引眼球要走绝路?没见过走上绝路的还能回头,您要寻死,我拦不住您。)[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]世界新闻网[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]梁中心表示,「一刀切」是改革移民系统的必经过程。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]《圣经》旧约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]撒母耳记下[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]12[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]4[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]有一客人来到这富户家里,富户舍不得从自己的牛群羊群中,取一只预备给客人吃,却取了那穷人的羊羔,预备给客人吃。[/FONT]


[FONT=宋体]联邦移民及多元文化国务秘书梁中心[/FONT]15[FONT=宋体]日到访卑省,并与本地华文媒体会面,他表示,对[/FONT]28[FONT=宋体]万技术移民「一刀切」政策引起争议是意料中事,但政府不会走回头路[/FONT];

[FONT=宋体]《圣经》旧约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]以赛亚书[/FONT]第59章[FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]7
他们的脚奔跑行恶,他们急速流无辜人的血,意念都是罪孽,所经过的路都荒凉毁灭。平安的路,他们不知道;所行的事,没有公平。他们为自己修弯曲的路,凡行此路的,都不知道公平。


[FONT=宋体]至於涉嫌诈骗中国银行[/FONT]10[FONT=宋体]亿元公款的高山返中投案,对加拿大而言,是好事一桩。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]把技术移民申请人的事情跟臭名远扬的逃犯混在一起报道,是何用意?[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]梁中心表示,虽然「一刀切」政策引起不小争议,但申请者与渥京对簿公堂乃意料中事,[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]《圣经》旧约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]弥迦书[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]6[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]11[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]恶人家中不仍有非义之财和可恶的小升斗吗?我若用不公道的天平和囊中诡诈的砝码,岂可算为清洁吗?[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]《圣经》旧约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]诗篇[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]7[FONT=宋体]篇[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]14[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]试看恶人因奸恶而?劳,所怀的是毒害,所生的是虚假。他掘了坑,又挖深了,竟掉在自己所挖的阱里。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]政府不会走回头路取消该项政策,因为这是改革移民系统的必经过程。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]《圣经》旧约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]箴言[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]27章[FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]22
[FONT=宋体]你虽用杵,将愚妄人与打碎的麦子一同捣在臼中,他的愚妄还是离不了他。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]他强调政府的决策并非针对华裔移民,移民部为了解决积案过多的问题,并且加快未来移民申请,[/FONT]C38[FONT=宋体]号法案势在必行。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]老僧我听出话音了,您意思是说,这是一项顶顶重要的政绩工程。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]《圣经》新约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]路加福音[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]20[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]45[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]众百姓听的时候,耶稣对门徒说:“你们要防备文士。他们好穿长衣游行,喜爱人在街市上问他们安,又喜爱会堂里的高位,筵席上的首席;他们侵吞寡妇的家产,假意作很长的祷告。这些人要受更重的刑罚。[/FONT]


[FONT=宋体]梁中心续称,政府并非取消申请,而是知悉无法及时处理个案而退件,因此在考量申请者的利益下作出此一决策。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]《圣经》新约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]罗马书[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]12[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]9[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]爱人不可虚假。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]《圣经》新约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]罗马书[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]13[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]8[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]凡事不可亏欠人,惟有彼此相爱,要常以为亏欠,因为爱人的,就完全了律法。爱是不加害与人的,所以爱就完全了律法。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]《圣经》旧约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]箴言[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]16[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]2[FONT=宋体]节[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]人一切所行的,在自己眼里看为清洁;惟有耶和华衡量人心。[/FONT]


[FONT=宋体]他建议移民申请人透过省提名计画[/FONT](PNP)[FONT=宋体]等方式办理,可更节省时间。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]《圣经》旧约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]西番雅书[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]3[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]19[FONT=宋体]节:[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]那时,我必罚办一切苦待你的人;又拯救你瘸腿的,聚集你被赶出的。那些在全地受羞辱的,我必使他们得称赞,有名声。[/FONT]


[FONT=宋体]他指出,加国目前每年经济成长率约为[/FONT]2%[FONT=宋体],人口增长则仅有[/FONT]1.2%[FONT=宋体],其中[/FONT]0.8%[FONT=宋体]依赖移民填补,预计未来每年新增[/FONT]25[FONT=宋体]万移民人口。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]《圣经》新约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]哥林多后书[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]8章[FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]14节:
[FONT=宋体]乃要均平;就是要你们的富余,将来也可以补你们的不足,这就均平了。如经上所记:“多收的也没有余,少收的也没有缺。”[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体]梁中心答问时说,高山回中国投案,对加拿大而言是好事一桩,避免浪费加国法律诉讼资源。他相信高山是良心发现,主动返中投案,但并未透露加、中两国是否达成协议。[/FONT][FONT=宋体]至於高山妻女的加国居留权,梁中心认为应不会遭到撤销,毕竟全案为高山所为,中国检控单位也只通缉高山本人。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]此处指桑骂槐说我们技术移民申请人也在浪费加国诉讼资源?我们还不配在加国法庭上为自己申诉?[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]《圣经》旧约[/FONT][FONT=宋体]诗篇[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]9[FONT=宋体]章[/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]18[FONT=宋体]节 [/FONT][FONT=宋体]第[/FONT]10[FONT=宋体]篇第[/FONT]2[FONT=宋体]节:[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]穷乏人必不永久被忘,困苦人的指望,必不永远落空。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]恶人在骄横中,把困苦人追得火急,愿他们陷在自己所设的计谋里。[/FONT]
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

 tim律师解释c--38 与 他经常说的s87.4 的关系是前者大,后者是包含其中的,后者是针对我们一刀切的,从此后,移民部权利比加国总理还威风,一旦正式实施,我们等于秋风中的落叶。以下是原文,自己领会吧:
Bill C-38 was the budget bill in which many other statutory provisions were inserted in order to avoid any scrutiny or debate over them because, in the English parliamentary system, if the government's budget is defeated in the House, the government falls and elections must be called. With a majority in Parliament, the Government was guaranteed passage of Bill C-38. So BIll C-38 is merely the instrument through which the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) was amended to include s. 87.4, which provision closes the files and denies the victims the right to take the matter to court. Here is the link to IRPA: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/FullText.html
  If you go to section 87.4, you will find that 87.4(1) closes the files and 87.4(5) denies the right to raise the matter in court. The preceding section, 87.3, is what Kenney tucked into a previous budget bill, Bill C-50, in order to give him the power to discriminate against applicants (and effectively warehouse your files). In my view 87.3(2) and 87.3(7) are unconstitutional because 87.3(2) delegates to the Government the power of Parliament and 87.3(7) crowns the Minister du jour as the Tsar of Immigration.
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

[FONT=宋体]摘自民国小学课本:[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]一只老猫爬到树上,看见一个鸟窝,窝里有四个鸟蛋,老猫想:四个鸟蛋也好吃一饱,但是等它变了四只小鸟,岂不更好,我等一等吧。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]过了几天,老猫又爬到树上,看见窝里有了四只小鸟。老猫想:小鸟太小,长大一点,岂不更好,我等一等吧。[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]过了几天,老猫又爬到树上,看见窝里一只鸟也没有了。老猫说:“唉!来得太迟了。”[/FONT]
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

李希(Tim leahy)律师说:
若是大法官不通过动议,这个动议是包括所有人的(所有参加李希律师诉讼的已立案的人,动议目的是要求这些人分享梁东和其他35人的判决结果), 那么剩下的案例就分成两类,一类参加集体诉讼(已经ME的和案子没死关上的),一类单独处理(指已经打分,不在一刀切范围内的),咨询的人,为了让律师或者助理迅速掌握本人情况,应说明自己的案子到了哪一步,才能得到精确回答。若是大法官同意了李希的动议,就是所有参加李希诉讼的,都受益,享有同样判决结果,李希与移民部的协议就是这么签署的,可是移民部在通过c-38后就不认了,所以才有李希的动议,就是让大法官做主,判判移民部该不该还遵守这个协议)

"If the judge does not grant the motion and include everyone, the other cases will continue either as part of the so-called class-action or, if their files were not closed or HK told them to take medicals, as a separate group". In order to get an exact answer, the caller would have to have given his/her facts.


As for why are we waiting for the judge to rule, the answer is easy: the judge is the boss. I cannot tell him when to rule or how to rule. We just wait.
至于为啥大家都得等9月15日的大法官的判决,答案是:大法官就是我们的父母官,青天大老爷,他说了算。我李希没资格告诉他,啥时候该判,怎么判,所以,大家都耐心等着吧。
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

TIM律师解释为啥参加进来的人越多,事情越容易解决:
 If we continue to increase our numbers and the judge takes my second option -- setting the cases down for hearings -- it would increase CIC's workload because the first step is to make complete copies of the file, and for Mr. Liang(梁中心), it as about 7 cm thick(李希告移民部的卷宗7厘米厚). They then have to courier a copy to the Court, to me and to DoJ. They might just decide that it is easier to settle.
大体意思是,搁在一起,反而容易解决。要不然,李希律师的1250个案子一个一个送来送去,会累死烦死移民部。我的翻译的出处在李希律师原文:
As poetic justice, I have asked the Court to use this provision to compel the Minister to process our litigants court cases; i.e., it would be more efficient to process the files than to have to litigate 1,250 court cases. So, the more people who join our group, the more the efficiency argument makes sense.
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

在一条危船上,随时都会翻船的情况下,ME的想把所有没ME的扔下水去,打分的想把所有没打分的扔下船去,s2的想把所有没s2的都扔下去,而只有fn,挂了个号的则想法完全相反,他想跟大家同船共济。
所以,加国法院中正展开各路英豪、各派势力的鏖战。律师们平时就像漂浮在水中的鳄鱼,不引人注意,像一段枯木一样,静静的,但是,现在这些鳄鱼们发现了目标,已经死死咬住了已经上天揽月(争取国会通过c-38中的一刀切),正要下海捉鳖(一刀切,搞政绩)的血气方刚、挥斥方遒的康尼部长,我们现在若问:部长先生,什么时候开始一刀切?砍掉28万跟我们没关系,只要把剩下的2万快快解决!我们的康尼部长正死去活来,根本回答不了,表情很难看。
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY胸中自有百万兵 9月9日 战前总动员

9月15日---9月18日是加拿大司法史上的大日子!大规模的律师辩论团如同大会战,各路人马汇集法院,控辩双方将展开激烈交锋。这个对决的结果将不仅书写加拿大移民史的新一页,更将书写加拿大的建国史新一页!时事造英雄,李希大律师在此重大战役后将成为加拿大家喻户晓的名人!
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY羽扇纶巾谈笑风生 9月11日 扩兵备战中

The more applicants who are willing to take a stand against what they feel is legally wrong sends a stronger message to the Canadian government.”
来法院递诉状的移民申请人越多,越说明移民改革中的问题大,的确做法上有不合法的问题,这就会给加拿大政府发送更强的信号,促使政府审视和考虑。
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY羽扇纶巾谈笑风生 9月11日 扩兵备战中

查了一下日历,本月15号是周六,大法官要加班?
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY羽扇纶巾谈笑风生 9月11日 扩兵备战中

查了一下日历,本月15号是周六,大法官要加班?
有人昨天问Tim,“我刚刚汇款,什么时候立案?"'Tim说,下周一,汇总了去。qq上聊天了解到的。刚才又收到这位TX的短信,说跟tim 联系上了,他要求TIM在动议通过前加上他。tim没有说不可能。我这里今天意外地没有tim的消息,按说,他劳模一样勤快,一定会回复,可是真的没有。估计我那些提问他真忙得顾不上回答了。
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY羽扇纶巾谈笑风生 9月11日 扩兵备战中

为了不让TX们失望,我找了一段西方媒体对于诉讼的评论给大家看:
“As a result of litigation, some applicants have already been advised that their application will not be terminated. (诉讼的结果是,一些申请人的申请不被终结,继续审理)This would likely not have been possible at this time had these individuals not joined the proceedings(这个结果若不是这些个人靠诉讼争取就不可能得到),” said Bellissimo Law Group in a statement. “Again, this proceeding is a unique event in the history of Canadian immigration.(这个事件的法律诉讼过程在加拿大移民史上前所未有,前无古人) As such, there is no precedent to judge the potential success of our actions. T(因此,从无判决先例,也无法预知可能的诉讼的成功)the ultimate decision is up to the courts(最终决定权在法院). That being said, we have already secured a 90-day stay on the return of applications and government processing fees(我们这些申请人的律师已经力挽狂澜,让移民部延迟90天动手一刀切退费作废申请), which is a good initial sign(这90天的延迟成功得到了,这是一个好开端). A better picture of our chances for success will come about as we progress further in the litigation process.”(在即将到来的诉讼进程中,我们成功的机会将随着到来)
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY羽扇纶巾谈笑风生 9月11日 扩兵备战中

查了一下日历,本月15号是周六,大法官要加班?
哈哈。大法官我想从不加班。再说了,一个太平国家,法官没事悠闲是好兆头,说明没有争讼,人民矛盾少啊。法官从6月14日判了一笔,然后夏季休假两个月,刚回来。全世界都等他判呢----移民部等着,我们移民申请人等着,律师们也等着。都等着法官大人升堂。
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY羽扇纶巾谈笑风生 9月11日 扩兵备战中

终于发现了tim律师今日的信,这是为了向已经打分不需要挑战移民法的人解释,加入他的一揽子诉讼不会被那些没有打分的拖累,目前还没有必要分成几组,要看即将到来的动议通过,若是通过,根本不需要,马上解决;若是没有通过,被法院否定了,就立即分成三组,请法官分别判。已经打分的会马上成为独立一组,因此不必担心自己卷入集体诉讼,这一点上,他自有安排,早就考虑到了。以下是信的原文:
tHere is the reply I just gave to an MI 1 applicant who said that he did not want to join my group for that very reason but, rather, wanted me to create a new MI 1 group.


[FONT=arial,sans-serif]My litigation, initiated on 28 October 2011, included both pre-Bill C-50 and MI 1 litigants. CIC has agreed to finalized the MI 1 litigants, like the assessed 35 pre-Bill C-50 litigants, within six months of their taking their medicals and doing whatever up-dating is required.[/FONT]


[FONT=arial,sans-serif]We are now awaiting disposition of my motion, asking the Court to enforce the Agreement for all the litigants(我们正在等待动议的通过与否,动议是请求法院做主迫使移民部遵守以前订立的协议----协议就是说,前面的判决对所有参加诉讼的都适用), and, if my motion is successful, CIC's request that those who joined after June 14th, not be included in that settlement. If we win on both issues and you are a part of our group, you will get what you want. If, however, the Court does not order your file be processed, the remaining cases will be divided into three groups; viz., [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif]1. files not closed,[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif]2. pre-Bill C-50 files never assessed and[/FONT]
[FONT=arial,sans-serif]3. pre-Bill C-50 files assessed after March 28th.[/FONT]


[FONT=arial,sans-serif]At this point, we have about a dozen in the first group. You would be the only MI 1 but the arguments would be the same for you. I would be inclined to separate your case, but the Court might decide to keep the unclosed files in one group because the Liang andGurung decisions are to the same effect. (Gurung is for the MI 1 litigants.)[/FONT]


[FONT=arial,sans-serif]Until we have a ruling on the motion, there is no need to separate the litigants into the categories, and, if we succeed, there never will be. Yesterday at 3:15pm, I was served with CIC written arguments, which I have not yet read. I expect to reply on Thursday or Friday, after which we wait for the Court to rule on the motion. Once it has, our initial group will be closed and futher litigants will fall into one of the three categories I just delineated.[/FONT]


[FONT=arial,sans-serif]Hope that I've explained the situation clearly. I know that its very confusing.[/FONT]
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY羽扇纶巾谈笑风生 9月12日 布局中

TIM透露动议动态:

On the 18th, the motion seeking to enjoin CIC from acting on 87.4 will be heard in Ottawa. Because the status of our group has not been decided, I notified the Court early on that I would not be participating for that reason. Therefore, I will be to going to Ottawa for the full-day hearing. One of two results will ensure: the Court will either accept applicants' counsels' position that CIC should be barred from issuing refund cheeques and trashing files for all the impacted files or only for the litigants' files, the position CIC has taken. If it applies to everyone, there is no need for me to bother making a separate motion. If it applies only to the litigants, I can rely on the ruling to obtain the same ruling for our group if our motion, seeking to enforce the Agreement, is rejected.


I am currently writing the reply to their motion. I hope to finish it today and file it tomorrow. When I have, I will notify everyone.
 
回复: 大律师TIM LEAHY运筹帷幄 9月13日 《夺刀战》大幕即将拉开

似乎是在拉锯,申请人这方面的律师与移民部的争斗焦点在一刀切适用范围。要不要一刀切,是参加诉讼的免了一刀切呢,还是所有人都免啦?
 

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